Re: Windows Mail gets worse and worse
The next iteration will remove the capability to send and receive email altogether.
Ah, the Gnome methodology...
Microsoft slips ads into Windows 10 Mail client – then U-turns so hard, it warps fabric of reality
Microsoft was, and maybe still is, considering injecting targeted adverts into the Windows 10 Mail app. For a few, er, lucky folks, ads would appear at the top of their inboxes, they were using the client without a paid-for Office 365 subscription. The advertising would be tailored to their interests. Revenues from the banners …
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Saturday 17th November 2018 21:56 GMT King Jack
Re: Windows Mail gets worse and worse
'I wouldn't mind the ads if Microsoft delivered a feature parity product'
And that is the problem. People know they are getting the shaft but they make excuses for the attacker.
M$ put ads in stuff because idiots tolerate it. They spy on the masses because people will defend them.
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Monday 19th November 2018 10:58 GMT JimmyPage
Re: Got Linux?
The problem is, if you want to use an @hotmail.com email address (I've had mine since 1997 - it's myname@hotmail.com, not myname760231764230@hotmail.com) then you're still using the MS servers to send/receive mail. And they are "broken" if you try to use PGP or it's variants.
Luckily LastPass makes it easy to search through all logins using that, so one wet weekend I can get around to replacing them with my own domain. I could even write it up as a case study in moving away from Outlook and charge consultancy ....
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Monday 19th November 2018 13:02 GMT The Specialist
Re: Got Linux?
@JimmyPage
> The problem is, if you want to use an @hotmail.com email address (I've had mine since 1997 - it's myname@hotmail.com...
I used to have similar setup back then and I decided to own my own domain (surname.co.uk and several variation of TLD since) for just a few bobs and initially diverted my email traffic to "free" services until I learnt how to run my own / use hosting services. This way, my email address never changes irrespective of who / where I choose to host my email data.
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Saturday 17th November 2018 12:18 GMT Lord Elpuss
"MS will happily sling any old shit, so long as they get paid."
Ah yes, but therein lies the rub. MS will only get paid (in the long term) if the ads are somewhat successful. So trying to flog you sh*t you neither need nor want is counterproductive - hence the massive investment in
AIBusiness Analytics.
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Saturday 17th November 2018 12:25 GMT Lord Elpuss
Re: You paid
"I pay good money to build my own (desktops)."
I used to, then I got fed up with running an unfunded helpdesk for my entire extended family. For the last couple of years I've been on Mac - only additional software is ABP on Safari, and since then have had exactly zero complaints.
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Saturday 17th November 2018 10:19 GMT Wellyboot
PR & legal Weasels
>>>We do not use the content in your mailbox or in the Mail app.<<<
Emails are NOT in your mailbox/app until MS put them in there, after they arrive at a MS mail server via other internal MS infrastructure.
I'd much prefer everyone used this line.
We do not use any information within emails beyond that which is necessary for delivery using the IMAP & POP3 protocols
They will use everything they can get profile you, and use the profile to target you.
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Saturday 17th November 2018 12:06 GMT Carl D
Wonder how they intend to inject ads into my Windows 10 email client (I use Thunderbird) when I've removed it and most of the other (cr)apps that come with Windows 10?
I also made sure I have no "advertising ID" and my privacy settings are locked down as much as possible with W10's own settings and the use of third party tools.
And Cortana has been 'neutered' so it behaves just like normal Windows Search.
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Monday 19th November 2018 07:41 GMT Anonymous Coward
re:I've removed it and most of the other (cr)apps that come with Windows 10
Don't worry, MS has your name and IP address and even your inside leg measurment so when the next Windows 10 Update lands there will be countermeasures included that will stop all that foolishness (in their eyes) where you can delete all that (cr)apps as you so eloquently put it.
Remember that it is their PC now that you are running W10. They can control everything you can and can't do. You might have paid for the hardware but using it is now totally under the control of Redmond.
Unless...
You give them the finger and install Linux/BSD or move to a Mac.
More and more people are doing just that so why not join them?
I did years ago and have not regretted it one little bit.
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Saturday 17th November 2018 12:10 GMT FlamingDeath
Pissed
Microsoft are full of shit, their software is turd, their outlook is a POS, and their shenanigans has caused endless misery for anyone unfortunate enough to have chosen a career that uses computers. They’ve become so hell bent on mimiking Googles business model that they made a poor weather woman have to make light out of an embarrassing moment
Honestly, I just cant reconcile while Microsoft are market leaders. They need to get their heads out of thier arses and start producing software that works and stop making fuck ups, every KB artiicle is a historical record of their ineptitude. Software development processes are broken.
Fix your damn bugs and stop making the world beta test your fucking shit!
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Sunday 18th November 2018 17:21 GMT Anonymous Coward
@Richard 12 - Re: Trust is easily lost and slowly gained.
You're delusional, this never happened and will never happen. Nobody got fired for buying MS.
All corporate does care about is doing business. They had so many opportunities to protest or to vote with their money that I've lost count. Heck, even those countries on US list of so called arch-enemies have no problem being MS 100% even though this makes them highly vulnerable to spying and DoS.
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Monday 19th November 2018 17:38 GMT doublelayer
Re: @Richard 12 - Trust is easily lost and slowly gained.
IBM may have stopped being so successful, but I don't remember anyone protesting against IBM and specifically *not* buying their stuff. They just found a better option, and went with it. Therefore, I doubt that Microsoft is going to see a ton of their corporate customers suddenly jumping ship. A few, yes. Maybe eventually all of them if the products don't work after several years. But I see no evidence of a large group of corporates getting tired of windows and removing it entirely. I see many corporates cheerfully using modern windows systems, and others still using windows 7 but without plans to move off windows when 7 becomes unsupported. I do not expect Microsoft to crash and burn.
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Saturday 17th November 2018 15:30 GMT mark l 2
Gmail and Yahoo mail have adverts in their online webmail to help pay for the service which they offer for free. But if you received Windows 10 with your computer you have paid for the OS since the OEM will have had to give MS a license fee to install it on the computer before it ships. And that included the mail client and so you should not be expected to have to put up with ads as well.
I would have some sympathy if a small developer had released an ads supported free email client to help pay for development costs and you could pay extra to have them removed. But not from a company that made $16bn profit.
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Monday 19th November 2018 13:46 GMT Anonymous Coward
"But if you received Windows 10"
So those who got a free upgrade to Windows 10 should get the ads to cover the costs?
Anyway, you're utterly wrong if you believe that Google slings ads to pay for development costs - it earns from ads far, far more than development costs - just look at Google's profits, do you believe they are those of a "small developer"?
Google understood that free apps - preferably web ones so it can use open source code without open sourcing its own one, and with only basic functionalities - are the best way to lure users into its data slurping ecosystem, and that's what Microsoft is trying to imitate. You become the product which advertisers pay for...
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Saturday 17th November 2018 16:05 GMT Highinthemountains
Will they vet the ads any better than msn.com does?
I’m always getting calls from customers saying they were on the msn page (also happening with aol and yahoo) and all of a sudden one of those fake support you’re infected web pages comes up and they can’t close it down. Does this mean that they’ll now have another attack vector blatantly sponsored my micro$oft?
Biting the hand that feeds IT
