back to article A new Raspberry Pi takes a bow with all of the speed but less of the RAM

Like the Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+ but feel that the RAM is just a bit too big, the price too high or the ports too numerous? Fear not, for the spiritual successor to the original Model A+ is here. Launched today, the Pi 3 Model A+ rocks the same processor as its bigger brother, the 3B+, in the form of a 64bit Cortex-A53 …

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  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I wish they would release a model that supports 3 cameras and has built in Galileo GPS. Oh and a SATA connector for storage.

    1. Stevie

      3 cameras, Galileo GPS, SATA

      And runs off zero point energy.

      1. Lomax
        Boffin

        Re: 3 cameras

        You might be interested in the IV Port from Ivmech - pricey, but lets you multiplex four cameras on the Pi's CSI port. You can even stack four of them together, for a total of 16 camera inputs...

        http://www.ivmech.com/magaza/en/development-modules-c-4/ivport-v2-raspberry-pi-camera-module-v2-multiplexer-p-107

    2. jmarked

      That would be a good new device if get materialized. We've been using the b+ it has been good only it gets too hot and needs good ventilation. Just waiting for the parts from 4WheelOnline to get installed before we try the A+.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I would rather

    the Pi Model B+ worked with Android Things.. Finding a B is getting harder thee days.

    1. Old Used Programmer

      Re: I would rather

      Model B and B+ use the same SoC.

      1. 080

        Re: I would rather

        A Zero W that I can easily put to sleep without add ons.

        1. doublelayer Silver badge

          Re: I would rather

          By put to sleep, what do you want to continue running when it is sleeping? How quickly does it have to resume from sleep, and what triggers it to do that? For most available triggers, WiFi signal for example, enough of the system remains up in order to receive and decode that that there is little benefit to putting it to sleep.

  3. Old Used Programmer

    Please be careful with designations....

    The article makes a reference to a "Pi B". Please guys, there *is* a Model B (and a B+). The comparison today is between the Pi3B+ and the Pi3A+. The first generation boards (using the BCM2835) are the only ones that don't usually get a "generation number" included in the common name. (Officially, if you look at the box, the Pi3B+ is a "Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+". That "3" is important to know what you're discussing.)

    The real confusion comes when discussing the Pi2B. You have to specify whether it's a Pi2Bv1.1 or a Pi2Bv1.2 as the SoCs are different.

  4. Will Godfrey Silver badge
    Coat

    Just a wee little point

    Looks quite nice for minimalist stuff.

    But, what is this $10? And how much cheaper is it? (seeings as this is supposed to be a British rag) in pound sterling?

    1. dnicholas

      Re: Just a wee little point

      It's six and 3/5 Cornettos

    2. doublelayer Silver badge

      Re: Just a wee little point

      It is the price of the pi zero with wifi built in, which I see as this model's main competition. That lacks plenty of the features of this model, but it does offer most of the ones wanted for running headless*. The processor is slower, which would be painful if using it directly or if it has a lot to drive, but it is very low on power usage, also has built in networking, the same memory, and can use the same hardware on GPIO. If you're using something running a GUI or using a bunch of processing, you're probably going to want the 3B+ anyway for the ability to use USB accessories. Similarly if you're going to attach this as networking equipment because ethernet will probably be desirable. For me, all use cases where I don't want either of these will be decided in the zero's favor because it is smaller and requires less power to run. Those can be critical.

      *headless use of pi zero: set up the environment on something else so you can have a more convenient experience, then enable SSH and move the card over.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    By Richard Speed

    Would that be his/her/its real name?

    I am not sure what HDMI is supposed to be, but a computer without an Ethernet port sounds liike a house without windows.

    1. Dwarf

      Re: By Richard Speed

      I am not sure what HDMI is supposed to be, but a computer without an Ethernet port sounds liike a house without windows.

      Whereas houses without Windows are not a good idea, computers without Windows are a great idea.

  6. hellwig

    RPi Cluster

    although the sight of stacks of the diminutive computers is undeniably cool.

    Pics or it didn't happen.

  7. Dwarf

    Not sure I get the logic for reducing RAM capacity, OK, so it sucks a little more power but a memory constrained system has to be the worst design option out there and I have a deep loathing for machines with low RAM as they are ALWAYS slow as they are constantly swapping. On a Pi, that translates to it eating your memory card quicker. Surely the power cost on the SD card and performance impact outweighs the power reduction from the reduced memory size ?

    +1 for adding a SATA / mSATA connector (on some high speed bus, not crippled behind USB) as it means higher performance and I won't need to have to rebuild system X in 18 months when it eats the next microSD card and starts acting all weird and takes me a while to work out what the problem is again.

    I'd happily pay for a "Model C" - where C is all about capabilities, not price. I don't care if the board is bigger and has free space for options I've not populated (mSATA) or uses some form of stacking arrangement like PC104 used to.

    They are great little boards and I've got them doing all sorts of handy jobs, but they could do a lot more for the higher end hobby and business markets, rather than just focusing on the maker/educational end of the spectrum.

    1. James Hughes 1

      Cost, pure and simple.

      As for the other requests, not possible with the current SoC. As the launch article from the boss said, this will be the last with this era silicon - we've reached the limits.

  8. xero

    I have the raspberry Pi 2, I think.

    "the Ethernet port has gone"

    What connects it then to internet?

    1. diodesign (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Its built-in Wi-Fi.

      C.

      1. xero
  9. HPCJohn

    USB-C port

    I love the USB-C standard, and have it on my laptop.

    Thoughts on why USB-C is not on Rasp PI? I guess that having a separate HDMI output is no big consumer os space, and it allows hobbyists and schoolchildren to hook up a cheal HDMI Cable to a standard television. With a USB-C port you would need a separate hub to fan out to HDMI, stanrard USB for keyboard and mouse, and for ethernet. Which would cost more than the Rasp PI

    Also I guess USB-C chipsets aren't integrated with the SoCs used on Rasp Pi.

    Thoughts?

    1. James Hughes 1

      Re: USB-C port

      Also, USB-C connectors are still surprisingly expensive.

      1. Old Used Programmer

        Re: USB-C port

        That's probably because they are all supposed to contain active elements to figure out how to connect. You're not really paying for the connector so much as you're paying fora very tiny processor.

    2. Old Used Programmer

      Re: USB-C port

      HDMI also allows a simple, cheap cable to be used to connect to any monitor that has DVI-D input...which most of them have had for a decade or more.

      Also bear in mind that the VC4 that is in all Pi SoCs to date wasn't new when the first Pis hit the market in 2012. One may surmise that then next gen Pi (popularly referred to as the "Pi4B") will *probably* have sort sort of upgraded version of the VC4, as Broadcom has SoCs on the market with something that fits that description.

      The real key to figuring out what is feasible on Pis is to look backwards, not forward, because at the Pis price points, up and coming tech is too expensive. I used to refer to building with that technique, "trailing edge technology".

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