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Cloud-building alien space rays altered Earth's climate – boffins

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was all the computational work for this done in the cloud?

and should we be worried that this effect will damage cloud storage?

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Hrrrm

While I can accept the basic scientific principle expressed here (extra solar cosmic radiation events can precipitate changes in climactic behaviour of cloud building) I have a *REALLY* big problem with a scientist that says:

"Finally we have the last piece of the puzzle explaining how particles from space affect climate on Earth"

The one thing I suspect most intelligence scientists would change in that sentence would be "last" to "next".

That said, I'll go back to my corner on the climate change stuff. (and you can certainly find that in my posting history)

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All this is making me wonder what this alien race firing these cosmic rays at us has against Britain. They must also have multiple sources of these rays to be providing cloud cover 24-7. That makes it a somewhat large and scary operation, given the distances involved. The odd sunny days we get must be when the Cloud Cannon is down for maintenance.

Also, yay for Science. :)

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I wish they'd shoot some my way. Here in the US Southwest deserts the clear skies are so regular that one might go mad staring into that bottomless blue abyss. I hike a lot, and cloudy days are particularly desirable for that, just to get some relief!

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Will it change anything, nope

So a few years ago NASA get scared multiple times about the sun doing weird shit while we go crazy bigging ourselves up as the cause of climate change while ignoring the inconvenient truth that climate changes. NASA start thinking that the very late solar cycle and apparent stalling of the currents inside the sun indicate a cycle we have yet to properly monitor seeing as we have only been watching the sun for a brief blip of a few hundred years.

NASA then add to this, saying that the solar magnetic field is doing other weird shit which is affecting the amount of cosmic radiation we get exposed to from outside the solar system. Hmm so the engine that drives our entire climate, that is responsible for its entire existence does weird shit while we see the climate doing weird shit we didnt see before (in our very short blip of monitoring) and we dont seriously connect the two.

Then scientists who should know better about being proper scientists i.e unbiased and seeking truth above all else caused Climate Gate (TM). Tsk Tsk, what a nice example of the incorruptibility they claim to hold so dear. If one group of them can act that way, so can others. They are human after all.

Which makes me concerned if any of them have the balls to be basically out of a job should they suddenly turn around and say "Hey its not us, its this! We dont need to hurt the 3rd world now, we can understand the truth about our world". Considering that they are human and must pay bills they naturally would want to please those who pay them to produce models that can justify taxes... whoops did I just suggest a possible conspiracy or bias based on human greed and money? Hmm

Then the model that was used to justify political decisions that affect our lives, pensioners descision to heat or eat, the education of our children and so on gets thrown out of the scientific community for being so wildly inaccurate (due to increased understanding of climate science) as to be laughable. The model is basically reduced to toilet paper by its own creators overnight. So, those policies / laws / taxes etc all get revisited, changed or even mothballed? Nope. Nothing. Nobody applied any hindsight to the validity of those decisions. Why? Is it because they forgot? Or will it "un-justify" too much lovely money and spin?

Oops, suggested it again... Perhaps I dont trust humans I dont personally know?

Then people start screaming about polar bears being stranded on small icebergs, yet the observant will notice the bears are actually hunting. But the screaming continues. Nobody educates them about the clever hunting methods of polar bears.

Then we find the other planets are warming up a bit also and their weather patterns (great red spot anyone) are changing. Completely unconnected to our planet, because we are so special, because climate doesnt change, because the sun doesnt change.

Then we start screaming because the glaciers are melting. Duh, the climate is warming up, what do we expect to happen when this ice age created ice finally melts as we warm up from the last ice age. But wait. How did we cause the ice age? We humans are so special, nothing changes without us, nothing exists without us.

In the 1970's we caused what we thought was to be another ice age. Not the sun. Not the winds. Not cosmic rays like todays story may suggest, no we did it. It was all over the news.

So we stopped the 1970's ice? Obviously we did. We are humans. So, those who stopped it must have forgot to turn off the weather machine? That is causing our warming? Yay I solved it.

Maybe not.

And now. Low and behold we are told that our entire climate is greatly affected by something we can not control, nor could even predict till now. Scary space and those pesky suns that keep us from being a frozen ball of rock seem to have an effect after all. Models will be changed. Old ones thrown out as toilet paper. Money will continue to find a way to the same pockets. Doublethink, doublespeak will assist.

Nobody will change policy. Nobody will hold truth and understanding in front of our future generations. Just like fictional muggles we will blindly ignore the truth of the world around us so that we can continue to place ourselves on a high pedestal, being convinced of our divinity in the universe. So we can continue to enslave ourselves to ourselves to punish ourselves for being ourselves.

King Canute, where is your wisdom? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Canute_and_the_tide

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"The team suggested the above process could have practically affected Earth's climate over time. The repeated periods of cooling and heating in global temperatures by 2oC over the past 10,000 years could be down to changes in solar activity and cosmic rays. Larger fluctuations of up to 10oC could have occurred over astronomical timescales as the solar system moved through the Milky Way galaxy, the paper stated:"

Any link or direct quote to support the above paraphrasing? I don't see it in the paper - in fact I don't see any reference to global temperature variation in the paper. Also, there is a wide range between "[temperature changes] could be down to changes in solar activity" and "could have practically affected". Which are the team proposing?

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Re: twofeathers

The temperature assessment is from the university.

C.

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Yes, the final statements at that link are very badly worded and open to misinterpretation by adding the causal link between the variation in cosmic rays reaching the atmosphere and the global temperature variations. But those statements don't explicitly mention there is a causal link - it just states that two events happened at the same time and leaves it dangling. There is also no statement about how much of those temperature variations is down to the cosmic ray variations.

It's quite a big leap from what those statements say to "could be down to" i.e. 100% caused by - which is what you say those statements claim. I would suggest that there is no chance of that being the case. For example, it's pretty clear that over 100% of 20th century warming is down to GHG emissions (including natural feedbacks).

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For example, it's pretty clear that over 100% of 20th century warming is down to GHG emissions (including natural feedbacks).
And warmists claim the sceptics are deluded! Presumably you also know how to get a quart from a pint pot...

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Donning tinfoil hat of Blocking +4

So if extraterrestrial sources of energy can have influence on our weather, how about HAARP?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program

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Re: Donning tinfoil hat of Blocking +4

I kinda doubt it, since Wikipedia says that HAARP shut down completely two years ago.

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I'm currently reading

"Searching for the Catastrophe Signal"

"The origin of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change"

by Bernie Lewin

This describes the history of successive environmental concerns, from the policy over-reaction to the damage caused by saturation use of DDT (loss of public health benefits particularly in the 'third world'), emissions by SuperSonic Transport, CFCs and the ozone layer, and so on ...

As one issue loses traction over time, for whatever reason, the next one comes along.

The book contains plenty of detail.

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As a layperson...

...I also have an opinion, and it is just as valid as any of your so-called “facts’!

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But who to tax for that?

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