back to article I love disruptive computer jargon. It's so very William Burroughs

Would you mind leveraging a time unit while I ideate my ecosystem? Sorry, I meant to say “Give me a minute while I sort my things out” but I’ve been writing a lot about disruptive technology this week. I must have zoned while dogfooding my hume-code for bugs… er, I mean “got carried away while proofreading my articles for …

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      1. Anonymous Coward
        Pint

        Re: Hmm.

        @Rameses Niblick etc (lovely moniker, btw!) - no. Squirrels are called squiggles, because when they move fast they run in a squiggly kinda way, squiggle, squiggle, squiggle.... (says my inner 7-year old)

        SQL is pronounced sequel by folk who are trying to get the job done and haven't got all day to worry about what some twonk thinks about how it should be pronounced.

        GIF is pronounced with a g-sound identical to that in the word graphics, because that's where the g in it comes from. See previous reference to not caring about twonks with too much time on their hands.

        I'm loving the change from being a helldesker to being a hort (note that T on the end!) which is what horticultural students are called - I no longer GIF a fsck how folk pronounce SQL. It's fun leveraging the synchronicties of object-oriented living! And who'da thunk my left boot makes a decent de-bugging tool? Hort's kinda like open source, too, as the answer to a lot of things seems to be to fork it!

        Icon because I'm enjoying a nice glass of the college's very own sweet cider. First time I've really enjoyed using the products created where I work!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Hmm.

      If were going down this road what about ASCII or as I like to call it ass key?

    2. MJI Silver badge

      Re: Hmm.

      I know what you mean, it does not read like a second part at all to me so either

      ess queue ell

      or squirrel

      I like squirrel!

    3. Prosthetic Conscience
      Trollface

      Re: Hmm.

      SQL - es cue el; MySQL - Mysequel. That PNG one is dumb it's 3 letters, English is perfectly capable of dealing with that

      1. Commswonk

        Re: Hmm.

        PNG... PNG... PNG

        Persona Non Grata; how the hell did IT manage to hijack an existing acronym for its own selfish ends?

        And why was it allowed to get away with it?

    4. Peter2 Silver badge

      Re: Hmm.

      Personally, I just pronounce all acryonoums as single letters and have found that everybody on this side of the pond understands me perfectly.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Hmm.

        On the contrary, I like to pronounce all tlars* as though they are words. Sqwl, mzdz, et'k. Phhhhp.

        *TLA, SQL, MSDOS, etc, PHP

        As a side note, try pronouncing PHP as a word, it's oddly uncomfortable.

        1. Captain DaFt

          Re: Hmm.

          On the contrary, I like to pronounce all tlars* as though they are words. Sqwl, mzdz, et'k. Phhhhp.

          Sorry, but this gave me visions of an impending Heimlich maneuver. ☺

  1. Bob Wheeler

    "all Americans sound like Woody from Toy Story"

    could be worse, might have been Woody from Cheers

    1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
      Happy

      Re: "all Americans sound like Woody from Toy Story"

      Or Woody from Woodpecker...

      1. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

        Re: "all Americans sound like Woody from Toy Story"

        Or Woody from Woodpecker...

        Hmmm.. Cider[1]...

        [1] For those not fortunate to live in the UK, Woodpecker Cider was a fixture of my youth. Not use whether it still exists.. But there are plenty of really, really good ciders around so I've not missed it.

        1. Geoffrey W

          Re: "all Americans sound like Woody from Toy Story"

          As someone fortunate to have lived the first half of his life in the UK before escaping to somewhere even worse I was most disappointed to find that in the USA cider is just apple juice! They don't even make it with a dead rat in the barrel!

          Conversely, Americans visiting the UK and seeing the vast range of ciders on offer are in for a surprise.

          1. John Gamble

            Re: "all Americans sound like Woody from Toy Story"

            Yeah, you're a victim of language shift (a native French speaker here was similarly surprised). Although apple cider (U.S. version) in no way can be confused with apple juice, if you want the alcoholic variety, you ask for "hard cider".

            Woodpecker was widely available (well, when hard cider was just taking off again1 here) a couple of decades ago, but the Big BrewCos have been doing what they do best -- dumping flavored water-alcohol mixtures on the market -- so finding actual hard ciders that taste of apple takes a bit of research.

            ---

            1. Some sales idiots tried marketing it to bars as "cider beer", which then became the term the wait staff used with customers. That usage got slammed pretty hard by customers who actually knew what the stuff was.

            1. Geoffrey W

              Re: "all Americans sound like Woody from Toy Story"

              "so finding actual hard ciders that taste of apple takes a bit of research."

              Increasingly pleasant research, one assumes, and decreasingly urgent.

        2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

          Re: "all Americans sound like Woody from Toy Story"

          "Woodpecker Cider was a fixture of my youth. Not use whether it still exists."

          I think its relationship to alcohol was somewhat homeopathic.

  2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    "I don’t know whether what you think you’re writing is supposed to mean"

    Was this intended to mean something?

    1. Alistair Dabbs

      >> Was this intended to mean something

      Oddly enough, "something" is the missing word.

    2. Tikimon

      ""I don’t know whether what you think you’re writing is supposed to mean" - Was this intended to mean something?"

      Maybe? It's not inconceivable that it's a play on "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" from The Princess Bride. (which you must see if you haven't yet)

  3. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    "Being able to make up new jargon whenever you like is one of the finest unique features of the English language."

    My distant memory of a year of Science German in the 6th form says that not only can German do this but it can do it with twice as many letters and probably more with a bit of effort.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      "My distant memory of a year of Science German in the 6th form says that not only can German do this "

      Wasserstoffionenkonzentrationbestimmunggeraet. (pH meter)

      But in the same language a mobile phone is a handy. Presumably using one is a hand job.

      The French, of course, had a proper committee to organise technical terms (I don't know if they still do, but I was once sat at a dinner with a member of said committee). Hence caméscope, logiciel and so on. But also navigateur being a browser (wonder why) while the similar job function of pilote is actually a driver.

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        1. hplasm
          Unhappy

          Agreed!

          "It's a bit like the official change from "cycles per second" to "Hertz" - an apparently unnecessary way of obfuscating a simple measurement."

          q.v Mho - Siemens

          Not obvious now...

      2. cklammer

        I just wrote at work:

        "Oracledatenbankclientinstallationdateisystemspeicherumfang".

        And the term "handy" for a mobile as it used in Germany was coined by the Saxons: when the Berlin Wall fell, most of them saw a mobile for the first time which they recognized as phone but were missing the phone cable.

        So they asked: "Häm die kein Schnur?"

        1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
          Happy

          cklammer,

          When you said the term handy was coined by the Saxons - you created a very strange mental picture in my head. I didn't think the people of the Saxony, my brain supplied the mental image of Saxons. Since I've visited Sutton Hoo, that was a bloke in really impressive armour with a bloody big war axe on a 6 foot shaft and a nice sword. Complete with shield and a boat full of shiny things to take to the afterlife.

          I don't remember the section of the museum dedicated to his Nokia 3310 - but I imagine that's just because the government hushed it up. Being a 3310 they were able to turn it on, and it still had 2 bars of battery left, which is how they could look up his contacts and find out he was called Redwulf.

        2. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken

          Re: "Häm die kein Schnur?"

          Ich nehme meinen Bodybag und geh' zum Public Viewing.

          Come in and find out.

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        "The French, of course, had a proper committee to organise technical terms"

        Same in Finland. There's a public body that makes up Finnish words for new stuff, but a lot of their suggestions are ignored and either adopted verbatim from another language or just "Finnishised" a bit.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Same in Finland. There's a public body that makes up Finnish words for new stuff, but a lot of their suggestions are ignored and either adopted verbatim from another language or just "Finnishised" a bit.

          Shirley they would be Finnished?

      4. J.G.Harston Silver badge

        Hey, any ful kno that's two words: Wasserstoffionenkonzentration Bestimmungsgerät.

      5. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken

        "The French, of course, had a proper committee to organise technical terms [...]"

        Fun fact: so does the Vatican.

        There is a Latin term for all the modern stuff around us. Poke around a bit, it's fun. Plus, you find a lot of fancy words for mundane stuff that you can use in presentations, reports, job descriptions, job titles on business cards... And as Latin is an officially recognized language in the EU, at least there no one can fault you for using it.

    2. Chris G

      Jargon

      My wife assures me that Russian is also a language that you can modify on the fly.

      Disruptive jargon reminds me of the old Monty Python ' Sorry I don't get your banter old chap', it makes less sense though.

    3. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

      not only can German do this but it can do it with twice as many letters

      German is an agglutinative language - it contructs words by gluing lots of smaller words together (like Forth - except, unlike Forth, you are expected to see and say all the parts).

      English kind of does that too (there is, after all, a sort-of-Germanic language buried under all the layers of languages that we've stolen from elsewhere). Hence - database is a base that contains data. We tend to stop after a certain number of syllables, but German seems to prefer long words.

      1. Ken Hagan Gold badge

        "We tend to stop after a certain number of syllables, but German seems to prefer long words."

        I'm not sure that we do (stop). We tend to write the resulting mess as separate words but that's a cosmetic detail. The big exception here is when we are glueing Latin or Greek roots together, in which case we join them up, presumably because the parts aren't recognisable words on their own.

        Either way, in the spoken language the stream of sounds is much the same. I imagine that in the mind of a listener these compounds are just as separable (or not) in either language.

        1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

          "We tend to write the resulting mess as separate words but that's a cosmetic detail."

          It helps with wordwrapping.

  4. Terry 6 Silver badge
    Thumb Up

    Brilliant

    Really funny, and not too far from reality either.

  5. Dr_N

    tagnut of technobollox

    Are they in anyway related to dangleberries of drivel?

    1. hplasm
      Happy

      Re: tagnut of technobollox

      "Are they in anyway related to dangleberries of drivel?"

      They share an adjacency, yes.

      1. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

        Re: tagnut of technobollox

        They share an adjacency, yes.

        If not an equivalency..

  6. Unicornpiss
    Pint

    British revenge

    I can't really disagree with anything you're saying here. Possibly the only worse documentation is that which comes poorly translated from India. But all I can say in us Yanks' defense is that you Brits created ITIL, apparently as a punishment and loathing for all IT workers everywhere.

    1. FuzzyWuzzys
      Headmaster

      Re: British revenge

      "But all I can say in us Yanks' defense is that you Brits"

      No, no, no!

      Don't start a sentence with "But".

      Don't use "us" when you should have used "we".

      Oh, an please spell "defence" correctly.

      "All I can say in defence of we Yanks is that the Brits must have created ITIL..."

      1. David 18
        Headmaster

        Re: British revenge

        ...'Oh, an please spell "defence" correctly.

        "All I can say in defence of we Yanks is that the Brits must have created ITIL..."...'

        The obligatory typo made it I see. :)

      2. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: British revenge

        Brits must have created ITIL

        Not created per-se - more fled in horror as it lurched in a Frankenstein's monster sort of fashion into life, moaning ""brains, brainzzzz"..

        (Mines the one with the almost-utterly-useless ITIL Expert certificate in the pocket)

      3. cbigglesworth

        Re: British revenge

        Actually, "But all I can say in us Yanks' defense is that you Brits" is clunky but correct, and "All I can say in defence of we Yanks is..." is incorrect. What the OP should have said is, "But all I can say in our defense" for better flow, but grammatically his use of "us" is correct.

        Grammar rules found here: http://snarkygrammarguide.blogspot.com/2012/09/object-of-preposition-all-of-us.html

        For me, the easy way to tell is to remove the noun from the prepositional phrase and see how it reads.

        Ex: He has no trust in us scientists.

        Correct (with "scientists" removed): He has no trust in us.

        Incorrect (replace with "we" and also with "scientists" removed): He has no trust in we.

        So if the sentence sounds correct with the noun removed, you have the correct pronoun.

    2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: British revenge

      "you Brits created ITIL"

      Does anyone actually admit to having created it?

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Acronyms

    Reminds me of when Microsoft first added support for RSS feeds into Internet Exploder. This was announced on a webcast by Bill Gates himself, where he pronounced it as "arses" the whole way through.

    1. Flocke Kroes Silver badge

      Re: Acronyms

      The gym I used to go to had "How does it feel in my arms" playing every half hour. It started with arms, then the chorus had the line twice with a little delay so the s of one arms came right after the ar of the other. By the end of the song the lyrics become completely blatant but apparently no-one else heard them the way I did.

      I leave you with my favorite jarjon acronym: People Can't Memorise Computer Industry Acronyms.

  8. Chairman of the Bored

    In fairness to guys who write documentation...

    ...supposedly any idiot can write it.

    So, given an idiot, do I let him write code, or...

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    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I was always taught that an acronym is an abbreviation that can be pronounced as a word and that any other type of abbreviation was actually an initialism.

      Just saying.............:-)

    2. Flocke Kroes Silver badge

      For further confusion ...

      The consonants for the name of god transliterate to YHVH, but the wrong vowel points were added to avoid saying the name out loud by accident. Jehovah's witnesses use those wrong vowel points (and get the first consonant wrong). If we start calling them Yahweh's Auditors will the get the message?

      1. hplasm
        Angel

        Re: For further confusion ...

        Look out! Incoming stones!

        Blashphemer!

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