back to article Smart cities? Tell it like it is, they're surveillance cities

A smart city is, inherently, a surveillance city, and citizens' privacy could potentially be the cost of the efficiency gains. Could it be worth the trade-off? A mass of sensors and systems monitor a city's infrastructure, operations and activities and aim to help it run more efficiently. For example, the city could use less …

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  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    the issue with smart cities

    It is that the amount of data is overwhelming. I've worked on projects with 15 000 CCTV cams, distributed across a 2kms X 2kms block. It's not even a city, just a mere big block !

    There's no way to monitor all of those except after the (evil) facts, when it's too late for the victims, all of them. Whatever software will just monitor only people running and image moving more than usual, and only trigger alerts in some big cases ...

    At contrary, the amount of data is a gold mine for wrongdoers aimed at blackmailing and other nefarious actions.

    In short, gold mines for criminal in the knowing, more or less no more security for commoners. Let's remember Nice was the most monitored city of France, therefore the lady in charge of it being so quick to open a controversy with national police aka "their fault, not mine".

  2. steviebuk Silver badge

    The fact that...

    ...Amazon's Go shop got confused when more than 20 people where in there and couldn't track items that people were too lazy to put back on their shelf means we'll be OK.

  3. Harry Stottle

    Accountability Theater - Again

    The actual monitoring (data capture) is not (or need not be) the issue. The issue is human access to - for whatever purpose - the captured data. Surveillance is merely one of the purposes.

    The problem, as ever, is that we the people have no means of determining when the technology and relevant data is switched from one mode (capture) to the other (access). This is the gap I've previously and repeatedly referred to as "Accountability Theatre".

    The short version is that there are always going be justifiable cases for surveillance. For a traffic based example, I rather like the idea that we could develop an AI system to watch motorway traffic in order to identify genuinely dangerous situations emerging in real time. This would include things like some imbecile driving the wrong way, or a car randomly weaving in a manner likely to indicate someone falling asleep at the wheel. Or someone driving at twice the speed limit in busy traffic. Where such threats are identified, the AI prods a Human and they can raise an alarm, send out a traffic cop, turn on the warning signals etc etc.

    I doubt that anyone is going to argue with that kind of use of surveillance. Where it crosses the line into authoritarianism is, for example, with John Robson's suggestion that it could also be used to "enforce appropriate speed limits". This is a grey area. Certainly, as hinted above, some speeds would qualify for the alarm surveillance mentioned above . Driving at 80 on a reasonably clear motorway does not. That said, we should have no issue with the data captured being used, after a serious incident (eg a fatal accident) to see to what extent either speeding or careless driving contributed to the accident.

    And in all cases, where data is accessed for any reason whatsoever, by a human actor, it should not be technically possible for such access to take place, without it being subject to the most rigorous surveillance of all, with the data being provably captured to an immutable audit trail.

  4. riparian zone
    Big Brother

    blockchain, anyone?

    There is this, which seems pretty neat.

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2131950-citizens-give-up-data-in-blockchain-project-to-improve-cities/

  5. JaitcH
    Unhappy

    Garbage In - Gospel Out

    Here in dear old Ho Chi Minh City (aka SaiGon) (9,123 Square Miles) they have mounted tens of thousands of CCTV cameras for:

    1. Collecting tolls from vehicles with 4 or more wheels;

    2. A video App that let's you watch thousands of vehicles going no where;

    3. Traffic modification (often using temporary barriers that are wheeled into position at rush hours).

    The only problem is that the humble Infra-Red LED renders vehicle identification / charging useless.

    Additionally, 99.99% of VNese drivers could give a damn about red lights, one-way streets and other generally accepted road practices. Motorcycles are supposed to have exclusive use of the kerb lanes and the heavier vehicles the centre and fast lanes.

    It's easy to frustrate these cheats - by going very slow in front of them. The cacophony of horns and flashing lights from the slowed cheats is truly wondrous.

    We even have pedestrian area cameras - they look good but do little to improve things.

    Technology - wonderful stuff!

  6. Down not across

    ctOS

    Perhaps they should stop trying to make Watchdogs a reality.

  7. PDbio

    One important aspect to achieve Smart Cities is to re imagine Master Plans and Procurement - here's a link to a very relevant and important talk :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doVRMBPUOhA

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