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In November 2016 IBM CEO Ginni Rometty wrote to then-president-elect Donald Trump with a list of ways IBM hoped to help the real-estate tycoon Make America Great Again. And today she wrote to IBM staff to let them know Big Blue has walked away from Trump's strategy and policy forum, which was closing down anyway, and agrees …

        1. Snorlax Silver badge
          Headmaster

          Re: Trump was right the first time

          @Sir Runcible Spoon:"we should be focusing on why the Police let this happen - it seems they were standing well back and there should be in inquiry as to why that was"

          The nazis were supported by the second amendment crazies with assault rifles. Presumably the police didn't want a repeat of the Bundy family's Bunkerville standoff in the middle of a small college town.

          1. Sir Runcible Spoon

            Re: Trump was right the first time

            Perhaps I'm missing something, being a right-pondian, but attending a rally (whatever side you are on) that is supposed to be peaceful and then turning up armed to the teeth strongly suggests that the terms of the permit for the rally to take place have been violated.

            After all, the Police are supposed to be the one's protecting people aren't they?

            So, the Police should have shut the rally down in the first place once they saw the NN's tooled up, Shirley?

            1. Snorlax Silver badge

              Re: Trump was right the first time

              @Sir Runcible Spoon:"So, the Police should have shut the rally down in the first place once they saw the NN's tooled up, Shirley?"

              Anywhere else on earth, yes, that would have been the sensible thing to do.

              The problem with Americans is that they think every constitutional right is absolute, and that their rights trump everybody else's.

              This is how you arrive at a situation where a bunch of nazis and gun nuts can bring a small town to its knees. The right to spew hate speech and intimidate people with assault rifles is apparently afforded more protection than the locals' right to go about their lives in peace and safety.

              1. Ian Michael Gumby
                Boffin

                @Snorlax Re: Trump was right the first time

                You should get some help for your fixation on guns. I would suggest seeing a doctor, but apparently under the NHS unless you tell them you're suicidal, its a six month wait.

                And if you actually bothered to learn your history, you would have looked at the 1977 SCOTUS decision which said that wearing a swastika is protected under the First Amendment. This also led to the 1978 attempts by a neo-nazi to march on Skokie.

                If you want you can google some recent articles in the Chicago Tribune that talk about the march as well as the protests around the decision by the Supreme Courts. Very interesting reading.

                And there were more than just Neo-Nazis. There were 'alt-right', 'former KKK' and other hate groups making up one side. On the other BLM, and Antifa were also present, armed and looking for a fight. Heck you can even google and find a FB post by BLM looking for Paypal donations to send people in to the city for a fight.

                Plenty of blame to go around son... and frankly, you and your lack of thought isn't helping. Nor do you appreciate the larger issue.

                If Americans were to make certain ideology groups outlawed, you would have started down the path of who's next? You want to go after Neo Nazis. Sure, I get it, who doesn't? What about the Antifa who's name is ironic because they are acting like the fascists they claim to hate? Black Lives Matter who's marches and protests have caused damage, shut down highways, and have openly called for the execution of the police? (Dallas, Louisiana, NYC just to name a few examples. )

                And then you have the BSA (Boy Scouts of America) which has been compared to the Hitler Youth.

                (Yes, you too can google it...)

                Do you ban the BSA?

                Really?

                Hopefully now you see the problem.

              2. Ian Michael Gumby
                Boffin

                @Snorlax... Re: Trump was right the first time

                Dude!

                You are so utterly clueless.

                I bet you support BDS too.

                Look mate, I'll break it down for you.

                You said :

                @Sir Runcible Spoon:"So, the Police should have shut the rally down in the first place once they saw the NN's tooled up, Shirley?"

                Anywhere else on earth, yes, that would have been the sensible thing to do.

                The problem with Americans is that they think every constitutional right is absolute, and that their rights trump everybody else's.

                So, clearly you're not an American and you don't know our history or our laws.

                Go back to 1977 (probably before you were born) and check out the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) supporting the right for a neo nazi maroon to wear a swastika on his arm.

                This is also the same maroon who wanted to march his neo nazi group, brownshirts and all , down main street in Skokie IL.

                He won.

                He made two attempts to march but they were shut down mid march because the police couldn't guarantee their safety. (He gave up on his third attempt.)

                Keep in mind, back then, you didn't bus people in, and you didn't need to have weapons.

                So, yes the police could have shut down the event in Virginia.

                As to our rights.

                Yes they do supersede other laws. And what you don't realize is that when you attempt to shut them down, you walk down a slippery slope that ends up with no freedoms and you're in some sort of kafkaesque world.

                I don't blame you for your ignorance. Too many Americans also fail to grok the importance of our liberties.

              3. Lord_Beavis
                Coat

                @Snorlax Re: Trump was right the first time

                "The problem with Americans is that they think every constitutional right is absolute, and that their rights trump everybody else's."

                That is what separates us from the rest of the (Third) World.

                The right to free speech (oxymoronically by paid permit in this case) guarantees that you can say your piece. No matter how right or wrong it may be. And I have the right to disagree with you. And then we can go get a beer and still be friends. Although, I don't want any friends that hate people based on race, religion, orientation, et al, ad nauseum.

                "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights,"

                Some people seem to forget that from the DoI and that it is inexorably linked to the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

                But if you're not American, you wouldn't understand this kind of pride anyway.

                As a great King once said, "Can't we all just get along?"

                1. Anonymous Coward
                  Anonymous Coward

                  Re: @Snorlax Trump was right the first time

                  The American Constitution makes a good case study of the results to be expected when you let lawyers write the rules. Perhaps the British lack of a constitution isn't such a bad thing after all. The British system isn't perfect, it is capable of change and adaptation over time which the US system seems incapable of.

          2. Ian Michael Gumby
            Boffin

            @Snorlax Re: Trump was right the first time

            I suggest you learn the facts before you spout nonsense.

            Not everyone had rifles. And no they were not assault rifles. Class III weaponry is expensive and heavily licensed and regulated.

            The police backed off when the antifa members started chucking pop cans filled with concrete.

            There are some who are saying that the antifa noticed a pattern of police backing away when challenged with violence. Hence the violence protests. Ferguson, Berkley and others show this pattern to be true.

            1. Snorlax Silver badge

              Re: @Snorlax Trump was right the first time

              Bullshit. You're the only one spouting nonsense. Stop apologising for nazis and gun nuts.

              Plenty of media coverage of gun nuts with AR-15's in Charlottesville. Or do you get your news from Breitbart and Fox News exclusively?

              1. Ian Michael Gumby
                Mushroom

                Re: @Snorlax Trump was right the first time

                Son,

                First, you said assault rifles.

                Those are class III weapons. Under NFA regulation.

                Clearly you don't know your gun laws. (NFA is national, yet there are others that vary state by state )

                There were no assault rifles present.

                (Free clue. I live in Chicago IL. I can legally own an M1A. I cannot own a select fire M14, AR-15, or M-16, M4 or other variants. I cannot place my M1A in certain stocks that have a pistol grip. This is due to Chicago and Cook County gun laws. Of the guns I listed, M-14, M-16 and the M-4 are all select fire rifles which would classify them as assault rifles. The State of IL doesn't allow civilian ownership of NFA regulated weapons. Do you really want to question my knowledge of gun laws and weapons?)

                Now with respect to the march, not everyone was carrying a weapon. (The rifles were considered open carry) And funny how in all of the melee there was no firearm discharge, now why was that?

                (Again you need to know your gun laws...)

                So the only one spouting nonsense is you.

                You clearly don't know your gun laws and you clearly don't understand why no firearms were used.

        2. Ian Michael Gumby

          @Spoon Re: Trump was right the first time

          You are correct, except that the 'NN' wouldn't have attacked the protesters outright. That would have defeated their purpose.

          If the NN attacked, then the press would condemn them as thugs out for violence.

          If the NN didn't attack, then they can claim that they scared the protesters in to submission and claim victory.

          If the NN didn't attack but were attacked, and they defended themselves, they now have cannon fodder to recruit people and more money.

          BLM and Antifa both raised funds and attended the protest with the intent to cause violence.

          You are correct, the city and the police are to blame. There's more to that than what has been reported in the MSM. It appears the vice-mayor is a bit of a racist with a chip on his shoulder. There are reports that the antifa attacked the police which is why they backed off.

          It was a bonfire waiting to happen and multiple groups of people brought fuel and matches to the event.

        3. Lord_Beavis
          Black Helicopters

          @ Sir Runcible Spoon Re: Trump was right the first time

          "the Neo-Nazis went there expecting, and provoking, trouble."

          Yeah, they're stupid that way.

          "Antifa were there and stepped in to take on the NN's"

          There is some video evidence that they threw the first punch.

          "we should be focusing on why the Police let this happen"

          They were told by Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe to stand down (probably on George Soros's orders) so that it would escalate to violence. The escalation to violence is reportedly from a VA State Trooper.

    1. HausWolf

      Re: Trump was right the first time

      you need to make 2 changes, the klan had been part of the Democratic party and is currently part of the Republican party for the last 50 years.

      1. Ian Michael Gumby
        Boffin

        Re: Trump was right the first time

        The KKK aka Clan is dead.

        The Southern Poverty Law Center sued them in to bankruptcy and they no longer exist.

        The problem is that the group dies but the ideology survives.

        And to your point, they will align with the political party which they think represents their values.

        What you and others are missing is that there was a resurgence under Obama because they felt marginalized and threatened. I've spent some time in the South. I've met Good Ol Boys and Rednecks. I've seen racists too.

        Trump is a lightening rod because he wants to upset the status quo.

    2. cray74

      Re: Trump was right the first time

      If Trump had explained that the Klan has been a part of the Democratic Party for 100 years, all hell would have broken out since no one knows that.

      Plenty of Americans over the age of 40 remembers the solidly blue South. What's funny is that people waving the "Democrats were the Klan" flag try to avoid discussing Nixon-Reagan Southern Strategy, which captured all those Klan-loving Democratic voters for the Republican party.

      Sure, the Klan WAS part of the Democratic Party for 100 years, from about 1865 to 1965. Now the Klan is currently Republican, and has been that way for 40 years going on 50. If it's bad for the Klan to have been Democratic, what's that say about the current Republican party?

  1. corestore

    IBM owns the government.

    Seriously.

    Remember they don't sell their mainframe operating systems; they *rent* them.

    Who owns your OS owns your operation.

  2. My Coat

    Re: Hunt to blame for NHS attack

    Bit of a change of tack from IBM. I urge people to read "IBM and the Holocaust" by Edwin Black for details of their collusion with Nazi Germany.

    1. Lord Elpuss Silver badge

      Re: Hunt to blame for NHS attack

      Why?

  3. Potemkine! Silver badge

    Once is enough

    IBM collaborated with Nazis in the past, it does not want to make the mistake to side with losers again...

    Elected by a minority of voters, Trumpy the dyed blonde clown is only the President of the United States of AmeriKKKa, he doesn't represent the values of the country of Abraham Lincoln, Dwight Eisenhower or Martin Luther King.

    1. Sir Runcible Spoon

      Re: Once is enough

      "he doesn't represent the values of the country of Abraham Lincoln, Dwight Eisenhower or Martin Luther King."

      Is there a viable candidate for the post who does? Genuinely curious.

      1. Ian Michael Gumby
        Boffin

        @spoon Re: Once is enough

        Is there a viable candidate for the post who does? Genuinely curious.

        Since you asked.

        Yes.

        Of all of the candidates, Kasich, was the closest. However he isn't perfect.

        During the primaries, he received the least amount of air time. Trump got a lot of free air time and did the most with it. Either he played the MSM, or the MSM wanted Trump because everyone thought he was a joke and Hillary could beat him.

        Biden could have ran, yet didn't. The DNC wanted Hillary and even rigged the system. So its not out of the question that the DNC colluded with the media to get Trump the Republican Nod. Early polls showed that Clinton would lose to Kasich while she would beat Trump.

        And its kinda funny how everyone points fingers at the Russians all the while the DNC fixed their primary because Bernie was supposed to lose.

      2. Lord Elpuss Silver badge

        Re: Once is enough

        There was one. He had to stop after 2 terms though...

    2. Ian Michael Gumby
      Boffin

      Re: Once is enough

      Clearly you are not an American nor do you know your history.

      If you look at the map of the US, Most of the counties are red. Meaning Trump won most of the US. This is by the electoral college which is in place so that the people are represented. He won because he played by the rules... and many found him to be a better choice than the alternative.

      At the same time... there are reports that there are a lot of illegal votes cast. Either by people voting twice, or illegal aliens voting, or even non-resident visa holders. How many is a good guess because no one has taken the time to do a real check. Not to mention the fact that several left wing groups are fighting against it. The motor voter law... the use of a governor's pardon, and down right voter registration fraud all show how non-citizens or those who have lost their right to vote, voted.

      And the Dems blamed the Russians...

      There are ways to enhance the security of voting (including the use of blockchains) but no one really wants that... which is ironic.

      1. strum

        Re: Once is enough

        >This is by the electoral college which is in place so that the people are represented.

        Clearly you know nothing about American history. The Electoral College was created to prevent populism. There is no way it could ensure "that the people are represented". Its rationale was to represent *districts*, ensuring that city mobs couldn't be exploited by demagogues.

        It didn't work, this time - but don't pretend that the EC is democratic. If the USA were a democracy, President Clinton would be in the White House.

        1. Ian Michael Gumby

          @Strum ... Re: Once is enough

          Oh but I do understand.

          After the election, one of the talking heads on the news said a comment that many here might understand. Without the electoral college we would end up with the dystopia found in the Mocking Jay Trilogy.

          It did work.

          Everybody, including the Russians thought that Hillary would win. Only Hillary skipped the 'fly over states' to hob nob with her best buds in L. A. attending parties and fund raisers instead of pressing the flesh. She lost the rust belt because of this.

          The MSM seems to talk about the elitists. The truth. Its the little guy that makes up the backbone of this country and we're sick and tired of being taken for granted. At the same time. Hillary, to get Obama's support aligned herself as continuing his idiotic world view and oppressive regulations. Not to mention, Hillary should be in jail, but that's another story.

          Had Clinton campaigned more in the Midwest in Wisconsin and Michigan, she could have won those states. But she didn't and she lost.

          The other thing to remember. Polls are voluntary and depending on the questions being asked and where they are being asked you may get the wrong answer. Many of Trump's supporters were mainly in the closet. They didn't want to voice their opinion in public out of fear of being ostracized. Also many voted for Trump for various reasons. Some over the Second Amendment, Others over the Supreme Court pick, others over taxes, or healthcare. Some on multiple issues.)

          So yeah, I know American history a wee bit better than you and most here. Some of which I got to see first hand.

          1. Lord Elpuss Silver badge

            Re: @Strum ... Once is enough

            @ Donald J. Gumby;

            "Its the little guy that makes up the backbone of this country and we're sick and tired of being taken for granted"

            We? We?!?!?

            After all your incessant banging on about how many expensive weapons you own, there's no 'we' here. Stop pretending you're one of the downtrodden masses, man up and quit apologising for the tangerine fucktrumpet who's doing his level best to turn your country into the National Socialist States of Amerika.

            1. Ian Michael Gumby

              @Lord E Puss Re: @Strum ... Once is enough

              Yes We.

              I know many blue collar types who own many more guns than I do. Farmers tend to own one or two field shotguns, a .22 rifle and a hunting rifle. Or multiple hunting rifles and .22s.

              Depending on the weapon, prices will vary.

              And I'm not apologizing for Trump. He's the POTUS and you need to respect that.

              So please get clue.

              BTW, its the far left which are closer to being fascists than Trump.

              1. Lord Elpuss Silver badge

                Re: @Lord E Puss @Strum ... Once is enough

                "He's the POTUS and you need to respect that."

                He's not my president, and respect is earned. He hasn't earned it.

              2. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: @Lord E Puss @Strum ... Once is enough

                And I'm not apologizing for Trump. He's the POTUS and you need to respect that.

                Remind me how Obama got treated while POTUS - by Trump......

              3. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: @Lord E Puss @Strum ... Once is enough

                BTW, its the far left which are closer to being fascists than Trump.

                This is just not true. You are more likely to get to Kansas by clicking your heels three times and wishing than making this true by saying it over and over again.

              4. Swarthy
                WTF?

                Re: @Lord E Puss @Strum ... Once is enough

                And I'm not apologizing for Trump. He's the POTUS and you need to respect that.
                Funny how a lot of the people saying that (Not necessarily M. Gumby - I can't be arsed to dig through his comments) are the same ones who had Zero respect for Obama.

                See Also: Waving a confederate or Nazi flag while proclaiming "You lost, get over it!"

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Once is enough

        > there are reports that there are a lot of illegal votes cast.

        Only by the Orange Clown himself, and his sycophants.

        > and down right voter registration fraud

        Included in those found to be registered more than once were: Steve Bannon, Steven Mnuchin, Tiffany Trump.

        http://fortune.com/2017/01/25/mnuchin-bannon-voting-registration/

        1. Ian Michael Gumby
          Mushroom

          @AC Re: Once is enough

          Son,

          Trump based his statements on two research papers which concluded that there was a lot of illegal voting.

          There was confirmation of both sources. Of course without further inspection, there is no way of knowing.

          However...

          1) Gov of Virginia got caught trying to pardon a mass number of convicted felons so that they could vote. 300K voters would have swung the state in the Dem's favor. His action was challenged and he gave up on it after only commuting/pardoning a handful of people.

          2) In Indiana (Gary) There was an incident where a group which registered black voters had been caught forging registrations along with having 18 registered voters to a single apartment.

          3) There are instances where people voted in two different counties / states. They were registered voters in both areas.

          4) In several states there are inconsistencies in voter registration. The voter rolls needed to be cleaned. People who hadn't lived in the area for man years were still registered. Judical Watch sued the State of Ohio and got them to settle and agree to updating and cleaning up their rolls. Judicial Watch also has started action against the state of California.

          There's more, but you get the idea. Its not just Trump making a wild accusations.

          And you point to something that is an issue. People who have moved from another area are still registered. BTW all those names you mentioned only voted once.

          I suggest you get a clue and actually leave your bias at the door.

          There is enough evidence to call for an investigation. This would be an incredible DS exercise.

          Its the first step in protecting our votes.

          There are many more instances of illegal voting. Does it add up to the 3 million? That remains to be seen.

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Once is enough

        At the same time... there are reports that there are a lot of illegal votes cast. Either by people voting twice, or illegal aliens voting, or even non-resident visa holders. How many is a good guess because no one has taken the time to do a real check.

        Yes they have. And nearly all the instances of voter fraud appear to be linked to Pro-Trump people. Odd that. Dont rehash myths with vague assertions that something is too hard to know. This has been looked into. Google it.

        And the Dems blamed the Russians...

        Well not just the Democrats. Pretty much everyone. The US Intelligence services, every single private sector company who had access to the data and most governments in the rest of the world.

        Maybe only Trump and Putin know the real truth but, to be honest, the only way Trump could know for sure it WASN'T the Russians is if he was in the pocket of the Russians and had access to their data. Which is quite a quandary, don't you think?

        For ANYONE to say it wasn't the Russians you have to either say everyone else is wrong and even the publicly available information is wrong (which raises many more questions about how it links to events Russians have admitted to) or they have secret knowledge. Which is it?

  4. System Lord

    IBM used to pay for performance. Now they pay through the nose for diversity. When did all this start? About the same time their financials started to tank. Hmmm...

    1. sabroni Silver badge

      re: Now they pay through the nose for diversity.

      Do they? I thought the research showed that diversity was good for business? Was that just the MSM pushing it's agenda?

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Maybe Ginni walked away, but that would have been after no one, including Trump believed her BS about creating jobs in IBM, everyone knows she has just been making tens of thousands of skilled employees redundant every year, and employing smaller numbers of cheap "new collar" graduates who have no clue, to service what's left of IBMs customer base.

  6. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge
    Mushroom

    Trump

    Making Amercia Great again one disasterous tweet at a time.

    That line came from a June 2017 episode of BBC's 'Dead Ringers' radio show.

    Very close to the truth IMHO.

    1. Sir Runcible Spoon

      Re: Trump

      1. Trump is a reactionary.

      2. There appears to be a concerted effort to put him under constant pressure from all angles

      3. Trump reacts as predicted and shoots off own feet (how many *does* he have btw?)

      If this doesn't scream hidden agenda then you might want to take a step back.

      I'm fairly sure even level-headed rational people would struggle to make positive progress under these circumstances, let alone someone who is compassionately challenged.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Trump

        1. Trump is a reactionary.

        That is a polite way of saying he has almost no impulse control, is a bigot and cares more about himself than anyone else.

        Nothing here says "good presidential candidate" - I am stunned he managed to pretend to be a good business man.

        2. There appears to be a concerted effort to put him under constant pressure from all angles

        Wow. Its almost like he is the President of America. Even George W Bush coped with more pressure than Trump has folded under.

        Trump is a perfect example of why supposed "business leaders" make crap politicans. He is incapable of running the country. He is incapable of leadership. He is unwilling to set an example.

        You'd think from his efforts to ruin Obama's tenure, he would have some idea of what to expect but it appears he is so bone ignorant he had NO IDEA what being president (and presidential) would entail.

        3. Trump reacts as predicted and shoots off own feet (how many *does* he have btw?)

        Yeah, you are right, he shouldnt be part of a high school debating society let alone the PRESIDENT OF AMERICA.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Trump

        Should that be shoots off his own tweets?

        It isn't called TWITter for nothing. Why would anyone waste their lives on it? Perhaps it should be called Trumpeter.

        On second thoughts, if you really want to have an impact then everyone should delete their twitter account now to remove his audience. Twitter are bound to replace their chief salesman Trump once their revenues drop. Just hoping this happens.

  7. gbshore

    Hey Forum, "worryingly tepid response" from Trump? You are nothing more now than the mainstream media.... go back and review the interviews of Trump even before he became President. His response was welcomed by the mother of he woman killed. Stick to FACTS and not political bs....

    1. Mark Price

      Nazis and Naziism are evil. No ifs buts or maybes.

      People who oppose Nazis are to be applauded, supported and helped in every way possible. Not least by the Commander In Chief.

      1. Mad Mike

        I think the important thing here is that all extremists are bad. Whether from the left or the right. Stalin, Pol Pot, Chairman Mao etc. killed just as many and potentially many more than Hitler and the right wing extremists did. All extremists are bad and generally tend to use the same techniques in their 'quests'.

        One such technique (used by the Nazis amongst others) is removing peoples history, culture and sense of identity. This was practiced by the Nazis against the Jews for instance. The irony is interesting in relation to what's going on in Charlottesville.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          One such technique (used by the Nazis amongst others) is removing peoples history, culture and sense of identity. This was practiced by the Nazis against the Jews for instance. The irony is interesting in relation to what's going on in Charlottesville.

          Except this isn't about removing history or culture - they can still exist, thats why we have museums, books and education.

          The Nazi's started off by claiming their culture was under threat (the oppression of Versailles and the inability to form an Army) and that all these other cultures were there chipping away at their sense of identity. When everyone else gave in and let them have an inch, then they started stomping on other people's cultures.

          If the White Supremacists really feel their culture and identity is being suppressed then it simply means they have failed to integrate with the nation they claim to be part of - which is where the real irony lies.

      2. Ian Michael Gumby
        Boffin

        @Mark Price.

        So Trump condemned the Neo Nazis and the 'Alt-Right' groups.

        But he also condemned the Antifa and BLM groups that were also present.

        No false equivalency. Some say Evil is Evil. Believing that, does being evil but a little less evil than the other guy mean you're not wrong too and should be condemned?

        The truth is that regardless of what Trump said, he was going to be attacked. That's a verifiable fact.

        What others miss is that by supporting the concept of Free Speech, and the right of these hate groups to say their peace... is that I and others are condoning their actions and their rhetoric. That is the furthest thing from the truth.

        I understand what can and will happen if we start to relegate what can be said and what can't. That's walking down the path of fascism. We must support our freedoms even if we find it being abused.

        I suggest that you go back and read Trump's quotes.

        You may find you don't disagree with what he said.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Ginni Rometty - slimier than Mr and Mrs Slime in a slime bath. Ugh...

  9. poohbear

    "Hi, I'd like to be your customer."

    "Let's first discuss your political views...."

    1. Sir Runcible Spoon

      I'm glad someone else is picking up on this angle.

  10. mako23

    I'm glad she has left maybe she also do the world a favor and leave IBM, she has certainly has had an effect on the stock price

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