Dishwasher has directory traversal bug

Re: Bewildered. (That's grown-up speak for "wtf")

With a decent firewall, you could also apply a rule to ensure that the SEWER VLAN is blocked from communicating with the Internet and blocked from communicating with the local network. Problem solved.

Luckily, we don't have smart meters here, yet. But if they do, they won't be joining our home network, without a written TOS which includes information about timely update policy and a guarantee for compensation in the case that their device attacks my network. If they want it to phone home, they can pay for their own damned connection!

Re: Bewildered. (That's grown-up speak for "wtf")

I already have a THINGS VLAN and a SEWER VLAN for devices that scare me more ('leccy readers eg) than stuff I put on THINGS

Likewise. And I can disable the "things" access to the outside world with one click on the network firewall (hard to reach the internet when your default gateway is no longer responding..)

Although I don't have a sewer vlan. I found it easier to just never connect the things in the first place.

Re: Bewildered. (That's grown-up speak for "wtf")

" I am not convinced a self loading dishwasher would need an Internet connection."

What if it insists on being given an email address before it will start working?

That Samsung phone* I bought a few years ago wouln't let me in without a Google address.

* now scrapped

Re: Bewildered. (That's grown-up speak for "wtf")

"A dishwasher is a dishwasher, the cheapest model does what the most expensive model does: clean dishes."

A few years ago I replaced my dishwasher as the old one was beyond "economical" repair. Asking friends for recommendations of their proven ones - I discovered that manufacturers change their models every couple of years. On-line reviews were a similar problem - not to mention some of the horror stories.

Finally went for a Siemens as a mid-priced brand used by some friends - and on-line reviews seemed favourable for a specific model.

Every time I use it I wish that I had had the old one repaired. Yes - the new one is quieter and has "eco" features - but it just doesn't clean the dishes reliably. Everything has to be "clean" before it is loaded into the machine otherwise it needs a hand wash afterwards.

I suspect the noise of the old one meant it was spraying the water at a much higher velocity. The "Eco" features also seem to minimise the drying cycle - so that things are still wet at the end.

A microwave oven is an appliance one would expect nowadays to be - well - just a microwave.

I have given up trying to buy a new one. My requirements are obvious - or so I thought: stainless steel cavity; touch timer panel; enough ventilation so that the interior doesn't drip copious amounts of water during cooking. Oh - and no reviews saying "failed after a few weeks" - or - "caught fire".

Re: Bewildered. (That's grown-up speak for "wtf")

Presumably if you had a dishwasher with a clock, the "finish by" time could be set in a similar way as the "start time" delay, by holding down one button and repeatedly pressing another. That's if you really are unable to calculate a delay time - 1.5 or 2 hours or however long the washing cycle is - at least a couple of hours more for the warm air to dry them.

Then again, this kind of feature is aimed at people who cannot set clocks on kitchen appliances and probably have UPnP on their routers and will never run a security update in their life unless their computer or phone bludgeons them into it (note all the missing devices from that list), so it's all going to end in tears anyway.

Re: Bewildered. (That's grown-up speak for "wtf")

"So why on earth do we need internet enabled dishwashers?"

I can think of one reason: Simpler UI.

In that case, give me a local connection. Bluetooth or something. I have no problem with it talking to ME, but I have a major problem with it talking to the rest of the planet, ditto for any other appliance (and God help the poor sod who wants to come and install a smart meter, because he/she will have to explain why they won't sign for damages payment when it goes wrong - in the presence of some journalists, because I'm mean like that).

A number of people have said that devices are made to sell, not to function. I would like to comment that this sort of uncontrolled crap is the perfect UNsell as far as I'm concerned - no flaming way.

Re: Bewildered. (That's grown-up speak for "wtf")

message you to ask 'have you finished with this half-eaten pork pie?'

"Oh, and by the way, can you call the dog to ask him to stop chewing my power cord? It's giving me a terrible pain in all the FPGAs down my right-hand side"

Re: Bewildered. (That's grown-up speak for "wtf")

But a really good self-loading dishwasher would be neat! Of course it would need a droid extension that wanders around the house picking up dirty coffee cups and plates, in which case it WOULD need internet access so that it could message you to ask 'have you finished with this half-eaten pork pie?'

You just made me realize I married a dishwashing machine!

Re: Bewildered. (That's grown-up speak for "wtf")

"With the MobileControl function you can keep an eye on your Miele appliance, even when you're not at home - via smart-phone or tablet PC. Not only can you access the programme status, you can also conveniently select and start programmes regardless of location using your mobile terminal device. Simply download the Miele@mobile app and connect the device to Miele@home. When you return home, your Miele appliance has already finished its work. "

It's a pity I'm not in the market for a new dishwasher. I'd have let a salesdroid give that spiel just so I could have asked "Why would I want to?". And then show them my ancient non-Apple, non-Android phone.

Re: Bewildered. (That's grown-up speak for "wtf")

"prosumer"

Wankiest word of the day.