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If you wanted Windows 10, it looks like you've already installed it

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somewhere I still have the original WinXP Gold set of img files.........

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Privacy issues

I'd say one other reason people are not trying out Win10 is privacy. My friends* who run Win7 are concerned about the amount of information being sent to Microsoft in Win10 (and, with a lack of information saying what exactly is phoned home, they tend to assume it's sending virtually everything.) The best thing Microsoft could do to assuage these fears is list exactly what types of info are sent, how to turn these off if they wish, and what is sent when "everything is off" (probably automatic update-related traffic.)

I think, realistically, Win10 probably doesn't collect an unusual amount of info... but the privacy policy saying what info is sent to Microsoft, well it looks pretty bad when it's like "searches, microphone input, your E-Mail, login, password, user directory contents, may all be sent to Microsoft." But I assume defaut web search is bing; Cortana uses the mic; Outlook Online (or whatever it's called) would have your E-Mail going through them; only active directory the login and password and possibly user directory contents; OneNote will store your files with them too, but only if you actually use them.

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Re: Privacy issues

I'd say one other reason people are not trying out Win10 is privacy.

I agree. However Microsoft fixed this by sneakinginstalling the same tracking spywarefeedback features into Windows 7 and Windows 8 by security updates.

Perhaps they need to advertise this more, so people are more ready to give up their current OS. "Get over it - no need to stick to 7 or 8, we track you anyway. You will be assimilated, resistance is futile". Yeah, that'll teach them...

Edit: The scary thing is that they might really think like that...

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Re: Privacy issues

I agree. However Microsoft fixed this by sneakinginstalling the same tracking spywarefeedback features into Windows 7 and Windows 8 by security updates.

Not on my machine they didn't. At least not after I found out which updates were involved and bade them farewell. It does mean that I now have the added annoyance of double checking every bloody update to W7 between now and 2020.

It's almost as if they want me to make the move from dual-boot to just Mint....

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Re: Privacy issues

I've just realized that by installing extra "functionality" on Windows 7 SP1, MS acted against their own definition of mainstream and extended support. I guess they can do whatever they please.

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Re: Privacy issues

"It's almost as if they want me to make the move from dual-boot to just Mint...."

I can just imagine the higher echelons of MS execs saying that they can do without your custom if that means you stop moaning.

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Old MS-Office

On 35 x 1.44 disks.

Nail biting stuff, any disk could fail.....at any time...

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Re: Old MS-Office

Our trick years ago was to take every floppy, dump it into a directory of its own on the hard drive, then back the lot up to tape (QIC40).

There was a directory layout you could assemble that setup.exe would magically look for and load each "floppy" in sequence.

Windows 3.1/3.11 could be done the same way, I've got a CD where I slapped all 5 disks into one directory. So installation is a matter of getting MSCDEX.exe going, then go

C:\> d:

D:\> cd win31

D:\win31\> setup

and in no time, Windows 3.1 was installed.

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Re: Old MS-Office

And it only occupied 11.2 MB! Winword 2 was another 8.4 MB and Excel 4 a much slimmer 6.1 MB. A trick with upgrades we used when needing to reinstall everything (again) was to just point the installer at the relevant .exe file from the previous version. Them were the days!

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Mum always said:

Beware of free shit (or words to that effect)

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I've got ~13 out of ~15 PCs here on the 'We're validating Windows 10 for your PC' stage

Over to you Redmond

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Forced upgrades

Why can't Microsoft get it right? Windows 8 had no start menu. Windows 10 is a virus. And the start menu is still buggered.

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"Might the mess of Windows 8.x's interface be deterring the rump of Windows 7 users from going anywhere near a tiled interface?"

For me, totally, a PC isn't a bloody phablet!

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1/7 computers stayed on 10 after upgrading...

So far I have:

2 computers where the customer upgraded to it and found their printer stopped working (old HP printers just don't work)

3 computers where the customer upgraded and found that the start menu didn't work - rendering it a right pain to revert back to windows 7/8 as there upwards to be no direct run command to revert. The start menu in these cases does work in safe mode.

1 computer where the customer upgraded and got trapped by not telling anyone that his computer didn't work any more until 90 days - Microsoft sneakily delete your revert files after 30 days. Replaced that PC as it was getting on a bit anyway (another one where anything like start menu or window 10 apps like settings just never loaded but showed no errors)

1 where I was forced to upgrade to 10 due to needing windows pro (7 anytime upgrade is dead. Windows 8 pro packs work but just be bought physically from old channel stock which is like hens teeth)

Old hardware not being supported and something wrong with the start menu seems to be the main problems. However, as I keep pointing out to customers, windows 7 is supported longer than the lifetime of the pc anyway, so why change everything and learn a new interface when it is working fine?

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Re: 1/7 computers stayed on 10 after upgrading...

"old HP printers just don't work"

That probably can be fixed. I tried W10 on a test box under the Insider scheme & had the same problem. I downloaded the 8.x driver from HP's site & that fixed it. Up to a few months ago didn't we get posts telling us how hard Linux was because drivers for $HARDWARE weren't available?

The test box, by the way, has been restored to health running Debian 7 to test ownCloud.

I expect downvotes as the pro-MS downvoters who had previously taken cover seem to have psyched themselves up to weather the shitstorm & have reemerged.

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Re: 1/7 computers stayed on 10 after upgrading...

Yes, my shiny new Dell XPS13 9343 came with WIndows 10. And after I'd got rid of the tiles and managed to get the start menu looking almost right, it has large amounts of blank space that I don't seem to be able to remove.

Fortunately I had a new copy of Win 7 Pro, and there is an 'Enterprise' set of Dell drivers for it. So I tried to put that on. But it came with a GPT disk which Win 7 isn't keen on. Eventually I decided to kill Windows 10 and clean the ssd back to a nice MBR config.

All now well, and I've even made a small partition and installed Win 10 on it, in full Call Home mode. Just in case it ever appears to be of any benefit. I've tried it a couple of times. But there seems to be something wrong with the Wifi drivers which don't auto connect.

The touch screen on a laptop is a bit of a bore as well, so Win10 doesn't get used any more really.

The XPS13 is a nice machine, lovely display, touch screen or not... It's even made me resolve to keep all my regular applications down in QuickLaunch, just so I can have an empty screen and look at my background images.

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"Yet the majority of Windows 8.1 users have stuck with the old, frustrating, operating system, despite Windows 10 being free. Why?"

Outside of work devices where various business apps need to be updated to be Win10 compatible, the biggest let down in the home space has been the lack of Windows Media Centre. I know a number of people running Windows Media Centre at home and are unable to upgrade. Yes, there are third party alternatives (such as Kodi), but the effort involved with migrating does not seem worth it; it also takes a while of fiddling to figure out that the system just won't do what you want.

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Of the 3 PCs that get regular use at home, one is the OH's Win8 laptop (I know, I know, but that's what it came preinstalled with and she seems to like it), one is my Win7 desktop and the last is the Win7 media centre. All eligible for the free update to 10, none updated to 10...

The laptop may end up going to 10 at some point just because that's the one PC where an OS change will have the least effect. The mediacentre will remain on 7 for the reasons mentioned by CLD above. And whilst I'm not in any hurry to switch my desktop away from 7, I did sign up for the update notification so I could get the download and try installing it on a VM. But as someone else mentioned further up the comments, my desktop had been stuck on the "we're validating your update" message for at least a month, so I finally gave up waiting and nuked the updater from my system.

Repeat this sort of thing across households worldwide, and it suggests the takeup rate of 10 could have been a lot better if only MS hadn't dropped the ball first by removing features that some home users find essential and then by using an update mechanism that seems a bit flakey.

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Perspective

Just remind me of the Windows 10 / OSX / linux (all strains) market share comparison again?

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Re: Perspective

Your intention being to imply that the sitting ducks are willing?

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Threshold 2 is't far off, that'll encourage peeps waiting for 'Service Pack 1' to upgrade.

Corporates mostly haven't yet moved from Windows 7 Enterprise, like most we will upgrade 1000s of machines in the next FY

Personally, I have tower PC, laptop, nettop, Stream 7 and HP Envy X2 hybrid all on 10547 and they all run fine. I expect peeps who have problems aren't very tech savvy, although they big note themselves to mug punters

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Unfortunately, 'non tech savvy' mug punters make up a huge part of the a market for IT devices

In fact this is increasingly the core of Windows problems. It is not simple or reliable enough to be a pure consumer experience for most non tech users but it is still too inflexible and difficult to configure for those who want to use it as a technical platform

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Is Microsoft concerned?

I'm not so sure that they are. Since Windows 8 came out they seem to have been on a constant path leading to an always-connected/consumption-oriented mass product rather than a general purpose tool.

In that situation I don't see them caring much about providing a useful desktop experience for the common user. The only purpose of a PC in this scenario is to provide a platform for the Apps. I can imagine them producing a software layer to be added to the Linux distro of your choice in order to get the new Windows App experience. Eughh, but I wouldn't put it past them.

Business is another matter, of course, and the Enterprise version will, I'm sure, eventually satisfy businesses. And one selling point to them will be the availability of a solid (though small) base of users willing (actually without any choice) to be a testbed for new features and updates before they are offered to the enterprises.

Of course, I may just be talking shit. Don't much care - Windows has been deprecated for me and I have very little interest in what happens to it in the future.

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Here's the rub

For home use Win 10 is okay. There have been no complaints, with start button replacements installed. The interface isn't quite finished, but from what I can tell, there have been no detectable changes under the hood/bonnet in consumer versions other than hacking the internal version to 10. None whatsoever.

And the rub is, unlike 6, 7 and 8, that makes it an easy technical transition, but also rather pointless. For example, 8 had better security than 7. 10 has nothing.

I can understand privacy concerns, because the data governance cock-up probability function approaches 1 asymptotically.

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I'm sorry, Windows 8 and 10 is my fault, and probably yours too.

After all I opted out of that "Do you want to participate in the Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program?" thing on Window 7 (and previous OSes too).

I didn't want them collecting information about my PC and how I used Windows, their words.

That means that if all the tech savvy people opted out of this what was left was the people who just read their emails and looked at Facebook.

So why wouldn't MS think that Windows 8 and 10 was what "the people" wanted or needed?

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Re: I'm sorry, Windows 8 and 10 is my fault, and probably yours too.

You sir, have hit that nail squarely (and rather firmly) on the head...

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A plague of pox on Microsoft.

Several weeks ago I upgraded my dual boot Linux Mint / Windows 8.1 laptop to Windows 10. Both Linux and Windows 10 have coexisted happily since, with a grub menu allowing choice of operating system at bootup. I don't use Windows 10 very often, but on Saturday booted into it and allowed it to catch up on its updates. Big mistake. The computer now always boots into Windows 10. Windows 10 has deleted grub and re-enabled all the UEFI secure boot settings in the computers configuration.

A quick internet search reveals that a number of people have similarly been hit with this problem. Whether this is a deliberate ham-fisted approach by Microsoft to force Windows 10 on computer users or malicious behaviour / incompetence by Microsoft is open to debate.

It appears there are ways to reinstall the grub file and regain access to the lost Linux Mint boot, but if Microsoft is going to have an ongoing strategy of trying to squash alternative operating systems from computers, then I'm bailing completely. I'm not prepared to have to mess around fighting Microsoft to run the operating system of my choice; so I've nuked the laptop and put a fresh installation of Linux Mint on it, letting it take the entire hard drive. Bye bye Windows 10.

As a footnote I now have to reboot the computer twice, the first (cold boot) fails and the machine hangs, so I have to do a second soft boot (CTRL, Alt, Del) then it boots into Linux. I suspect Microsoft update has also messed around with the firmware, forcing it to look for Windows 10 first, which now fails of course.

A plague of a thousand poxes on you Microsoft.

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Re: A plague of pox on Microsoft.

You can always run the pox *safely* contained within a VM if you discover any legacy need of it.

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Re: A plague of pox on Microsoft.

The computer now always boots into Windows 10. Windows 10 has deleted grub and re-enabled all the UEFI secure boot settings in the computers configuration.

Maybe their marketing droids would say that trashing any other operating system found on the computer is "increasing the Windows 10 market share".

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Re: A plague of pox on Microsoft.

@Smooth Newt

I refuse to be bullied by Microsoft into using Windows 10. It would have been nice to have continued to have the choice of operating system and use either Windows or Linux as relevant; but after this incident I'm going 100% Linux. I'm going to rewrite my remaining Windows applications to run on Linux.

I had been planning to buy another Windows computer and make it dual-boot with Linux; but with Microsoft up to such nasty games that is no longer a consideration. I'll need to buy a computer guaranteed to work with Linux, and that may mean buying one with Linux pre-installed instead of Windows.

Microsoft have lost my "market share" of Windows 10 now, and for ever.

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Re: A plague of pox on Microsoft.

I upgraded a Win8.1 machine with classic shell installed to Win10 yesterday. It conveniently uninstalled classic shell without my permission. I was so angry over this that if I could have found an email address of Microsoft, I would have let them have it. But I really didn't look for an email address. (Probably a good thing.) I still reinstalled classic shell.

All Win10 had to do to be great was to give us a proper start menu, give us Aero, return F8 by default, keep our free games, and return a proper backup program. Microsoft couldn't even do that right. Cloud-first, mobile-first, customer-last.

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Legal advice needed

After the collapse of the Safe Harbour agreement is Win10 now illegal in the EU?

I don't think that MS's idea of anonymous data is credible. Your computer has been tagged and the data is going abroad.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/06/safe_harbour_walls_come_tumbling_down/

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I've so far personally upgraded 4 machines and have colleagues who have updated another 3 or 4 and none of us have had any issues thus far.

Having said that, if any non-techie users ask what they should do, my advice is simply this: regardless of whether you're on 7, 8 or 8.1, if you're happy where you are, stay there until after christmas to give MS more time to squash issues. If you're not happy, go for it, you've got 30 days to change your mind anyway and I have tested the rollback on one machine with no issues at all.

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WHY ARE YOU RANKING ON WINDOWS 7; THATS THE BEST OS OUT THERE. YEA WINDOWS 10 IS BETTER BUT STILL

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Facepalm

Are you the antiEADON?

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kb3035583 is back again

After removing and blocking kb3035583. It magically showed up again today as an optional update. Guess I need to hide it yet again. Our friendly KB3035583 is back again...

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Re: kb3035583 is back again

I installed Win 10 on an old (2 yrs) laptop, and "cleaned up" my privacy by pretty much reversing all the default settings. This included hiding KB 3035583. Imagine my surprise when, after a "security update", I found that all my preferences had been reset to Win 10's out-of-the-box defaults. Hidden or not, 3035583 had re-installed itself.

Doubtless MS will claim me as yet another successful convert to Win 10. The laptop now runs Mint 17, and I will not trust, or use anything made by Microsoft, ever again. EVER

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more ms pushed update BS

Going to the Microsoft site that says what is sent in the updates, gives more information on what they are doing. Basically, they are re-pushing all the update stuff that people took care to get rid of. A bunch is being released today, and the kb3035583 was pushed for 8.1 on the 1st and 7 on the 5th.

It looks like they changed the status of kb3035583 to supersedes to make it show up again.

Description of Software Update Services and Windows Server Update Services changes in content for 2015

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Why didn't the article have the joke icon?

Windows 10 has only been in general release for 2 months.

Why would my failure to install something in 2 months indicate I don't ever want it?

Businesses generally don't install things they want for a year or two after it is released.

I'm planning to install Windows 10 on my test machine either end of October or end of November.

The 7% who've installed Windows 10 now -- they are crazy or are early bird testers. Sensible people will wait a few months at least.

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Re: Why didn't the article have the joke icon?

"Sensible people will wait a few years at least"

corrected it for you

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pointless click-bait...

Ahh... nothing like throwing a few scraps to the rabid anti-microsoft crowd.

Excluding the sad "IT enthusiast" types that cant wait for a new OS to come out, the VAST majority of PC users couldn't give a fuck what OS they are running (and a good % of them wouldn't even be able to tell you what OS they are running now anyway). To project your sad OS obsession onto this majority, and conclude that because they have not all rushed out and upgraded to Win10 that you can actually draw any useful conclusion is stupid. My guess is that the author is not that stupid (see click-bait accusation above).

To all the Linux whiners out there - you have captured 1.5-2% of the desktop in 2 decades. You are clearly not representative of normal PC users, so off you fuck. I like Linux and use it a lot, but not as my everyday desktop environment. Until you end the obsession with creating a thousand different versions of everything, and put your collective weight behind something that isn't a geek's wet dream, it will never be the "year of Linux on the desktop".

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