back to article Queen's Speech: Computer Misuse Act to be amended, tougher sentences planned

The final session of Parliament before next year's General Election was opened by the Queen today, who told MPs and peers that the Tory-led coalition government had 15 bills tabled. There was little of note on the tech front, with two exceptions – both detailed within the Serious Crime Bill. The first is that plans are afoot …

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    1. JimmyPage Silver badge
      Headmaster

      And the first question to make ££££ for the lawyers

      Underage when

    2. Steven Roper

      Re: Burn the bodice-rippers!

      "Better go through your library, make sure you don't have any novels in which the protagonist seduces anyone underage."

      Oh shit - better get rid of my copy of The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant then. That Chapter 7 of Lord Foul's Bane is a real doozy...!

  1. Tom 35

    New Computer misuse act penalties

    - Forcing a company to spend money to secure their system by publicizing a hole in there systems. 10 years.

    - Making someone important look bad by guessing their email password. 20 years.

    - Forgetting a laptop full of unencrypted personal data on the train. A brand new laptop.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Big Brother

    Point of order:

    "amend the Computer Misuse Act 1990 to ensure sentences for attacks on computer systems fully reflect the damage they cause"

    So does this mean a trivial URL re-write that causes no damage whatsoever will no longer be prosecutable?

    Like hell...

    1. John G Imrie

      Re: Point of order:

      You have caused damage. Disregarding the reputational damage to the company and the damage to the directors bonuses there is the cost of getting the Indian outsources to recode the web site.

      1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge

        Re: Point of order:

        Indian outsources to recode the web site

        "The webhole will be shifted a bit to left, and down."

  3. Shaha Alam

    "you'll know it when you see it"

    there. that's all the wording you'll need for any of these laws. no need for costly legal consultations.

  4. the spectacularly refined chap

    Computer Misuse Act needs more of an update than that

    Bear in mind that it's 24 years old, i.e. it dates from an era when Internet access was still pretty exclusive. There are all kinds of things that need sharpening up in the modern connected world - unauthorized access comes to mind immediately.

    Realistically you have to accept some form of implied consent for things like access to a public-facing website, but that in itself opens up another can of worms if there is some kind of vulnerability: if something is put up there inadvertently meaning you can access it when the company didn't intend you to be able to then rationally that's their problem. If on the other hand you create some pattern of input that triggers a bug that allows you to access something you shouldn't you're breaking the law. The precise boundary between the two is completely undefined.

    Ideally you'd address that before it comes up in court. They're not going to so someone is going to either get convicted unfairly or get off when they shouldn't have. It's all clearly foreseeable now but it might need a bit of effort to actually fix it.

    1. Crisp

      Re: Computer Misuse Act needs more of an update than that

      I completely agree with you. There's just one problem.

      This legislation will be written by lawyers. A profession which is still passing documents around by fax machine.

      1. Nick Ryan Silver badge

        Re: Computer Misuse Act needs more of an update than that

        The progressive ones use fax machines now? Wow. Most seem incapable of progressing beyond photocopies of photocopies and 2nd class stamps.

        1. Loyal Commenter Silver badge
          Joke

          Re: Computer Misuse Act needs more of an update than that

          The progressive ones use fax machines now? Wow. Most seem incapable of progressing beyond photocopies of photocopies and 2nd class stamps.

          This is because they are paid by the hour, possibly including the hours that your documents are in the post.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Computer Misuse Act needs more of an update than that

        "This legislation will be written by lawyers. A profession which is still passing documents around by fax machine."

        If only.

        In the UK the limit on document "bundles" by email is 10 pages or 2MB.

        The MoJ has various attempts to sort out just the court time scheduling. AFAIK all have been complete fuckups.

      3. Intractable Potsherd

        Re: Computer Misuse Act needs more of an update than that

        Whilst there is a lot of old-skool document processing going on, I have to say it isn't universal. I'm just int the process of buying a house, and haven't yet met my solicitor despite retaining him about eight weeks ago. Everything has been done by phone or email, which suits me down to the ground.

    2. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge

      Re: Computer Misuse Act needs more of an update than that

      unauthorized access comes to mind immediately

      Quite a lot of it by authorities.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    So

    https everywhere

    disconnect

    DNSCrypt

    VPN

    TOR

    Anything else I should add to my shopping list? The more they do stuff like this, the more I want to hide my online presence. I'm not doing anything illegal to my knowledge, but who knows. One day I might search for nirvana, have the picture of the naked baby pop up and BAM I'm behind bars.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Re. update

    $Expletive that, the CMA needs tearing up entirely and rewriting from scratch.

    To include "the use of digital media, computers or other electronic devices for spying on people by or on behalf of Governments", punishable by hanging by the teeth over a pot of hydrofluoric acid.

    Also relevant, as worded there are no exemptions for historical works of art, so expect possession of digital pictures of many Greek statues or Michaelangelo's "David" to be criminalized under the new laws.

    "But your Honour, the picture is of someone who not only died over 400 years ago but a statue".. 40 years. NEXT!!!...

    (makes preparations to move somewhere more sensible, maybe North Korea)..

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Re. update

      More to the point, think of television. I can't count the number of times I've seen a babies bare rear end when an advert for pampers crops up. Everyone who sees that adverts should be arrested, and the people who made it strung up for distributing child porn.

      Absolutely disgraceful.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Mushroom

        Re: Re. update

        You didn't go far enough. Since, if the signal was broadcast, then every antenna in the country received it (including those at GCHQ,) so if it becomes law, you might as well drive your entire population into the sea.

  7. returnmyjedi

    Paedophile Manuel?

    Yet another 70s icon's shame revealed, made the worse after all that phew Rory when those bell ends phoned his granddaughter.

    1. JimmyPage Silver badge
      Coat

      phew Rory ?

      spearchucker ?

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It's about time

    It's about time that Blighty get in touch with reality and digital crime. So far crims in the UK have gotten just a slap on the wrist. Japan's 2 year prison sentence minimum for pirates plus fines and 10 years plus fines for facilitators should be adopted world wide. Hackers should get a minimum of 10 years plus treble damages.

    1. Steven Roper
      Flame

      Re: It's about time

      Oh look, it's Anonymous "Burn 'em at the stake" Coward again. I told you before, imprisoning people for piracy costs more than it's worth. Burning them at the stake means you can set an example by terrorising all those evil downloaders into submission!

      1. Intractable Potsherd

        Re: It's about time

        Yep, it's the standard RIAA-type that turns up here every time. Never gives any reason for why such draconian sentences should be applied, but simply states the party line. Just a troll to be ignored.

    2. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge

      Re: It's about time

      The Daily Mail is strong in this one. We must be careful.

  9. Far out man

    I guess the Bible would be included

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Mushroom

      And the Koran, too.

      I think we need a bigger explosion icon.

    2. John Smith 19 Gold badge
      Unhappy

      "I guess the Bible would be included"

      I think so.

      IIRC there a few fathers "begatting" with their daughters and if you do the math on some of the wives they'd definitely be classed as JB.

      I think in some cases you're in Jerry Lee Lewis territory.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    hostname:~ username$ man paedophilia

    No manual entry for paedophilia.

    Well, that's a relief!

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    so everything else is working away well to start focusing on such small issues?

    I just wonder if the rest of the UK, its economy, the populations health and well being is all in check and we are now birds of paradise with nothing else better to focus on ?

    I mean for a start I was watching the news (bbc news the other day) when Cameroon said the nation has been in a 7 year recession - I was gob smacked this is considering the BBC has done nothing but to brush the recession under the carpet. They have never labelled it as the recession and always looked at the problem from a global point of view rather than a local point of view.

    The health service is crumbling the kids are leaving school badly educated - we have a low level of high end skill workers and lots of low skilled workers fighting over minimum wage jobs.

    But hey this is how they like it - keep us all in check - keeping us worried about our next meal on the table rather than what on earth they are doing to destroy the country.

    I think it would have been better focused on the uk timebomb - google it - if you have no idea about the 1.4 trillion debt we owe and exactly to whom and for what reason ? Is it the chinese and most of it related to illegal wars over the last decade and the cost of security surrounding this.

    No go pat yourselves on the back done a great job in deceiving the nation yet again

    1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
      Trollface

      Re: so everything else is working away well to start focusing on such small issues?

      Yeah, but consider that the UK will now send an armored tank brigade and about 1000 men to Poland to drive around under Putin's nose like back in the times with Monty. Putin will yet know the power of the english taunt!

      Carry on!

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    ASSTR

    I guess it's a good job that alt.sex.stories text repository is not hosted in the UK then?

    1. John Smith 19 Gold badge
      Unhappy

      Re: ASSTR

      "I guess it's a good job that alt.sex.stories text repository is not hosted in the UK then?"

      True.

      The last outing of the Obscene Pub's Act was IIRC down to a story posted to there from a UK citizen.

      Politicians seem to have a huge problem with recognizing the difference between fantasy (as in "not real") with real life (as in "real")

      Perhaps because so many of the things they claim are fantasies?

  13. int21h

    Amend the Fraud & Abuse Act: Excellent then does one also intend to include "Fraudulent Service Providers" spying on the common folk whilst they siphon off Billions of Tax payers revenue into one's personal off-shore tax haven?!?

    Perhaps the genuine Fraud is the fact that most software in release to the Public is distributed with no warranty and this is done because of course these service providers actually place the malicious code in there own software and then to add insult to injury sell the vulnerabilities later on.

    CIA Sub-Project 11/9 (9-11) MKUltra and population mind control via the Telephone system they would have us all believe is a personal computer system. MJ12 - Magic or Majestic - Wording you'd be hard pressed to miss when examining your Microchips! UFO - Oh they're refering to Plan B & Plan 9 from Outer Space which has no Bugs and is in use by all 9 Major providers otherwise known as MAINWAY to the NSA who seem to operate under the assumption that the Bell-Southern Database is there's to use and abuse but saddly it is in point of fact open source and that means it belongs to the people too.

  14. corestore

    There was a case, a few years ago, being brought by Kent Police as I recall, where a prosecution was being attempted under the Obscene Publications Act, for the content of an entirely private online chat: the thinking being, presumably, that the scope of the OPA could be extended to virtually anything IF the participants in the conversation could be construed as 'publishing' to each other (for sufficiently warped and twisted definitions of 'publishing'). I believe El Reg reported on it at the time.

    I'd very much like to know what the final score was in that case; that hasn't been reported to my knowledge.

    (It may be relevant to the attempt to criminalize 'paedophilic manuals', whatever the hell they turn out to be. Probably virtually anything, IF in the possession of someone the police decide they want to charge with something...)

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    RE. Re. ASSTR

    What about all the Trek fanfic then?

    Pretty sure that all the stories featuring Kes on ST:Voy are illegal, after all "they only live ten years" is not a defence under the proposed amended Act.

    Insert other fanfic here, its pretty much guaranteed that it will be covered under "extreme pr0n", "terror manuals" or other fashionable buzzwords.

    A good example is the infamous ST:TOS episode featuring the homemade explosives, which showed the amounts AND how to identify the chemicals by taste.

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Yeah, lets start by regulating the sate use of computers to spy on us, bitch.

  17. focusforfun

    What's good for the goose . .

    So then it appears that computer crime is nearly on par with the destructiveness of modern government. If then penalties are being buttressed in the one area, . .

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