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In a major victory for Oracle, a US Appeals Court has overturned an earlier ruling in the database giant's multibillion-dollar intellectual property lawsuit against Google, finding that Oracle's Java APIs are in fact covered by copyright. In its original suit, filed waayyyy back in 2010, Oracle argued that Google had swiped …

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    1. david 12 Silver badge

      Re: W. T. F.

      Copyright and Patents are BOTH the wrong standards for code. The only reason that code has been shoe-horned into patents or copyright is that both are covered by international treaties.

      If people had set out from the start to create a sensible set of logical and consistant laws for code IP protection, they would also have had to set out on a process that took more than a century the first time around: creation of an international IP regime like copyright or patents.

    2. tiger99

      Re: W. T. F.

      Just to add my support to what others here are saying, COPYRIGHT is very clearly the correct protection for software, and that means ALL software, from closed, proprietary stuff like Windoze, through to FOSS like the Linux kernel or GNU utilities. Even the GPL licenses, which give you, the end user, almost complete freedom to use the code in any way, except that you must not restrict anyone else's freedom, are founded on copyright law. But we don't want to get into a pointless flame war about licenses here, all I am saying is that every single line of code produced anywhere, unless it is expressly put into the public domain (not recommened, unnecessary, and not recognised by the legal systems in a number of countries), is covered by copyright law. It can be officially registered as such in some countries, relatively cheaply, to make enforcement in the courts simpler, but like any other piece of writing, the mere act of creating it confers protection automatically in many countries, although putting at least the (C) symbol, owners name and date in every file is advisable. This is simple, efficient and effective.

      Patents, on the other hand, are a legal minefield.Software is the ONLY fileld of endeavour which has, due to an incorrect court decision, become supposedly protectable by BOTH copyright and patents. Everything else is one, or the other. Why would software alone justify double protection? Patents cost money to obtain, in one country, and vast sums of money worldwide. The patent system is hopelessly broken in the US, where, as we know, Apple effectively obtained a patent on a rectangle with rounded corners, something that has been known and used for centuries, if not millenia. Very recently, Amazon has been awarded a patent for photographs taken against a white background. We could dredge up TENS OF THOUSANDS of imbecillically stupid patents on software or business processes, which should never have been granted. It is actually illegal of the USPTO, because a patent MUST contain something which is novel (rectangle with rounded corners?) and not obvious to someone who is skilled in the art (which rules out almost all minor incremental advances in software, leaving about 10 to 20 genuine advances, such as the assembler, then the high level language and compiler, then the multitasking OS, then virtual memory, possibly a hardware patent, then the GUI concept, and a few other odd things, all of which are now over 20 years old, so would have lapsed by now), so NONE should be granted patents. The USPTO needs to be brought into line with what US and international law requires. (Meanwhile certain despicable people in the EU are trying, yet again, to sneak software patents through, it is a world-wide problem, no disrespect to the US intended, the problem is political and beaurocratic in nature, not national, but the US, having more lawers per capita than anywhere else, succumbed to the problem first).

      The fundamental reason why software MUST be treated like any form of writing, such as a book, is its method of creation. Most software (over half) is created not by large corporations but by individuals, whether developing a small but necessary utility program for sale, or some FOSS tool, or an engineer at work just solving an immediate problem by making a quick and dirty tool, and lots of similar circumstances, i.e. negligible funding, or oversight by "management", just individuals doing what is expedient, or what they feel the urge to do. Exactly like writing a book, the creative spirit of the individual is at work.

      Then there is the barrier to entry to consider. To invent something like a new medicinal drug may take very little, or many millions or billions, but the testing to have it legalised for use will most likely run into billions. Prototyping a novel machine will take tens of thousands, up to millions, and will need expensive machine tools, or expenditure with sub-contractors who have such things. Making a new model of car costs maybe a billion. Patents, RIGHTLY, allow an inventor of something genuinely novel to claw back his costs and earn a living, if the invention is successful, so the reward has to be set high, and it is right to have patents, and license fees if others want to use the technology. But if an individual in any even moderately developed part of the world has the inspiration to write a book, he or she needs (leaving out the obsolete and inefficient methods such as typewriter or manuscript) a cheap PC, and as a baseline some free software. The rest is pure inspiration and hard work. Now what does a prospective software author need? Starting point, a cheap PC, some free software, lots of inspiration, and hard work. Exactly the same as writing a book.

      So, teh barrier to entry being similar, the means of protecting the work, and providing rewards, can reasonably be expected to be similar. I don't hear authors demanding patent protection for their works! Indeed, it would be a VERY BAD THING, because any slight resemblance of one plot in another would result in one publiching company suing the other. There could only really be one book of each generic type, fictional or even non-fiction. VERY BAD!

      Yet we have, for some years now, suffered the deranged rantings of various current, former (in one case a proven dangerous incompetent) and in some cases deceased, supposed leaders of the software industry, ranting and rambling about patents being necessary. Note that most of these individuals seem to have deep psychological problems. The only reason that they would want software patents is so that, every time they feel like it, they can sue a competitor for infringing some aspect of a patent that should never have been granted, on some feature of their buggy product that had been in common use for several decades, and whose method of implementation was common knowledge to many thousands of programmers or engineers (and even at least one judge). It is a business method, sue your competitor for patent infringement, when you can't beat him by fair competition. In the case of a small competitor, who can't afford 10 million in legal fees, sue him out of existence, then use the product of his hard work freely....

      The people who do that are not businessmen, but SCUMBAGS. Software patents should never have been allowed, and ought to be expunged from the legal system as soon as possible. They hinder innovation, the very thing that patents were supposed to (and do, in the right circumstances) encourage.

      Enough said, I think. Let us hope that software continues to enjoy proper copyright protection, but definitely not patent protection, which is just plain wrong.

      Oh, and the Google code copying was not as straightforward as it seemed, and the offending code was subsequently removed, so the whole thing was blown out of all proportion. In other parts of the world, where perhaps the lawyers are not paid as much, or not as greedy, the case would have been quietly settled in private, possibly with a small cash payment. Large businesses do themselves no good at all by creating a public spectacle in court over mere trivia, and compared to teh original fanciful allegations, the few lines of code were indeed mere trivia.

      1. Alan Brown Silver badge

        Re: W. T. F.

        "Apple effectively obtained a patent on a rectangle with rounded corners, something that has been known and used for centuries, if not millenia. Very recently, Amazon has been awarded a patent for photographs taken against a white background. "

        It has to be repeatedly pointed out that the USA has 2 different types of patents.

        One is for innovative ideas and the other is for "trade dress", which in the rest of the world would be a registered design. Apple might have got it for the phone (but other smart phones have had rounded corners in the past, so they wouldn't prevail except in cases of blatent copying) but there's no way Amazon should get it for doing what marketers have done for years, with millions of pieces of prior art on display everywhere.

        That said, the system is broken. The USA's laws have become based on who pays the most to have them written and passed, not on actual "justice". The word for this situation is "plutocracy"

    3. Alan Brown Silver badge

      Re: W. T. F.

      Upholding that APIs are copyright enforceable goes against the last 50 years of decisions.

      I can't see this one lasting very long

  1. razorfishsl

    admin@razorfishsolutions.com.hk

    This does not bode well for the 'open source' Java.

    It basically means that all the different versions of DOS are also illegal, because they all implement a common access point which is the public API.

    It also means that no API's can be duplicated unless the copyright owner gives explicit permission, Also that all the software using existing API's of existing products must be totally written.

    Congratulations on stagnating the American software industry.

    1. Christian Berger

      Re: admin@razorfishsolutions.com.hk

      If it was just the _American_ software _industry_, most people would be fine with it. However unlike patents which expire and often are unenforcable, copyrights are easy to enforce and last near infinitely. This means that it'll not just stagnate the industry in the US, but everyone wanting to write something that uses an API.

      This decision will definitely be used by Microsoft once wine is better than their win32 implementation, or to stop any .net re-implementations. Even AT&T could sue for the use of the UNIX API. It's scary and it only got unleashed because Google thought it would be a great idea to write an operating system in some not quite compatible Java.

      1. Law

        Re: admin@razorfishsolutions.com.hk

        "This decision will definitely be used by Microsoft once wine is better than their win32 implementation, or to stop any .net re-implementations. "

        Doubtful on the .NET front since they helped encourage and supported the Mono project for a while. Despite all they've done, Microsoft still have a few engineers who know their elbow from their arse, obviously Oracle has been lacking that for a while.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: admin@razorfishsolutions.com.hk

      Correcting this for you:

      Congratulations on stagnating the American software industry.

      to:

      Congratulations America on stagnating the software industry.

      PS in Europe API's are not copyrightable.

      http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/05/eus-top-court-apis-cant-be-copyrighted-would-monopolise-ideas/

      Boy wouldn't they love copyright over patent, that's death+75 rather than a lousy 20 years.

      1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: admin@razorfishsolutions.com.hk

        "Congratulations America on stagnating the software industry.

        PS in Europe API's are not copyrightable."

        Simple - Google etal decamp from 'merica and setup over in Europe. At the very least, would a Silicon Roundabout accommodation address for the registered HQ in suffice? Best not move over any techie or creative types to SR for the risk of them losing their mojo.

      2. fritsd
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        Re: admin@razorfishsolutions.com.hk

        copyright is death + 70 IIRC, but there are plans to change this: if everybody harmonizes with the *Mexican* law, then it becomes death + 100 (yup just checked indautor.gob.mx). I guess we'd have to call it the "Speedy Gonzales law" then...

        Guess what USA wants to put in the TPP trade agreement?

    3. Richard Plinston

      Re: admin@razorfishsolutions.com.hk

      > all the different versions of DOS are also illegal, because they all implement a common access point which is the public API.

      And that API was that of DRI's CP/M.

    4. Alan Brown Silver badge

      Re: admin@razorfishsolutions.com.hk

      "It also means that no API's can be duplicated unless the copyright owner gives explicit permission, Also that all the software using existing API's of existing products must be totally written."

      Yup.

      It will kick up a shitstorm that politicians can't ignore.

  2. JLV
    Facepalm

    Unintentional humor

    >once wine is better than their win32 implementation

    He, he, Mr. CB, not that I am fond of MS in the least bit, and with all due respect to Linux.

    But... wine??? That's some powerful stuff you've been smoking there. Can I have some?

    Downvotes away, lads.

    p.s. This ruling is the pits. Guess judge couldn't be bothered to puzzle out what P stood for in API.

    1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge

      Re: Unintentional humor

      I agree.

      I cannot be better in the first place because there isn't even a specification. Like trying to metricate Chtulhu, the closer you look, the madder you get.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Unintentional humor

      > But... wine??? That's some powerful stuff you've been smoking there. Can I have some?

      In a sense, this is already coming to pass. Support in Wine is not as good as the vanilla win32 for cutting edge implementations (they will always be playing catchup), but for backwards compatibility, I see the future swinging to Wine. With Windows 8.1, MS are starting to lose the backwards compatibility plot: for a lot of people this compatibility is the only thing keeping them on Windows.

      What a strange world it would be if the only way to keep running your important legacy business software was Wine on Linux?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Unintentional humor

        "but for backwards compatibility, I see the future swinging to Wine. With Windows 8.1, MS are starting to lose the backwards compatibility plot:"

        As far as I can see, that's not true - please give some examples of what will run on Wine and Windows 7 that won't run on Windows 8? Can't say I have seen any issues at all yet and we are actively deploying Windows 8 in a corporate environment.

        1. Rosie Davies

          Re: Unintentional humor

          *> "we are actively deploying Windows 8 in a corporate environment."

          I hope you don't mind me asking but who do you work for?

          Rosie

          1. Law
            Coat

            Re: Unintentional humor

            "*> "we are actively deploying Windows 8 in a corporate environment."

            I hope you don't mind me asking but who do you work for?"

            Nokia?

          2. Mpeler
            Paris Hilton

            Re: Unintentional humor

            *> "we are actively deploying Windows 8 in a corporate environment."

            Hmmm...read that as "we are actively destroying Windows 8 in a corporate environment" ....

            just about the same effect :)

            Paris...well, her glasses work better (maybe need a beer glass instead.....)

          3. Alan Brown Silver badge

            Re: Unintentional humor

            I'd like to know too, specifically in order to avoid any financial dealings with the company.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Unintentional humor

          > As far as I can see, that's not true - please give some examples of what will run on Wine and Windows 7 that won't run on Windows 8?

          Notice I said 8.1. MS is changing the way existing APIs are implemented and it is causing a lot of headaches for applications unable to locate DLLs or functions.

          One of many examples:

          http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows8_1-performance/32-bit-application-fails-to-start-after-81-upgrade/b825723e-e2a2-4c8f-bd1f-10446a5d7059

          I can see why they are doing it. The problem is, like manifests they are causing a lot of grief through their inherent complexity.

    3. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: Unintentional humor

      Once IBM declare that their original PC bios API was copyright and every non-IBM PC since is infringing then wine isn't going to matter because there will only be Macs, chromebooks and mainframes.

  3. James 100

    Protecting interface monopolies = bad

    The whole idea of granting monopolies over interfaces is alarming to me - not new, but still alarming, like one of the printer manufacturers trying to use the DMCA to stop rival ink vendors selling cartridges which would fit their printers.

    IMO, if you build sockets you should NOT have the right to stop or extort others making plugs that fit those sockets, or rival sockets that take the same plug. With actual physical plugs and sockets there are exceptions for "functional" designs - which seems to be why Apple go adding proprietary authentication chips to their cables to make them harder to copy, rather than just throw lawyers at anyone making Lightning-compatible plugs.

    High time the law was changed to fix that nonsense, the same way we have a protected right to use non-dealer mechanics to maintain or repair our cars. Require interface specifications to be published, for unrestricted use, in roughly the same way MS had to publish some of their protocol details (Activesync, SMB etc) after one of the court battles over their monopoly (though they did leave some strings attached, which shouldn't have been allowed IMO).

    1. Anonymous Coward
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      Re: Protecting interface monopolies = bad

      I cannot upvote this enough. Open source and standards haven't stopped the bullshit. We need *constitutional rights* to interface with any API, file format, protocol, signal, plug, socket, pipe, or whatever - without anyone's permission.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Protecting interface monopolies = bad

        In europe we do - it is illegal to prevent reverse engineering hardware,apis, binaries or file formats for the purpose of interoperability.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Jerks

    Check any software and you will find repeating lines of code.

    The most efficient path taken is pretty always the same so this essentially outlaws efficient programming !

    A bunch of protectionist jerks now rule with law.

    1. Ken Hagan Gold badge

      Re: Jerks

      Even if the source isn't a duplicate, the optimising compiler will often generate the same object code if it is any good. If you like, it is a search engine. You describe what you want the code to do and it goes away and finds the most efficient implementation, which may of course be the same as it found for someone else's source code. An optimising compiler's specific function is copyright infringement.

      Unless of course you can offer one of the following in defence:

      I don't write object code -- it was the machine wot did it.

      From the compiler's viewpoint, the duplication is a mathematical requirement.

      From the end-user's viewpoint, the duplication is an accident.

      From a statistical viewpoint, the duplication across the whole code base is insignificant.

      IANAL, so I've no idea whether any of the above would stand up. Actually, the evidence of these high-profile spats is that even if I *were* a lawyer, I still wouldn't have any idea. These massive companies with huge legal budgets still seem to blunder into court with no idea about who's going to win. A scientist might take that as experimental evidence that the legal system is unpredictable even to experts in cases where the evidence is not in dispute and therefore the system is not fit for purpose.

  5. Warm Braw

    EU Directive on the legal protection of computer programs

    I can't access the text of this as the Europa server is down, but I wonder if we have a similar problem in Europe.

    The directive basically puts the copyright in "computer programs" on the same footing as other literary works. It excludes programming languages and instruction sets, but includes design material relating to computer programs. Are the header files for an API "design material" relating to the program whose functions they call or more akin to an instruction set for a high-level computer?

  6. Keep Refrigerated

    "And they all lived unhappily ever after..."

    Even if we accept the premise that functional mathematical code can be protected by copyright, there is a completely valid de minims argument in that many stories and novels take the same format and re-use certain phrases without reproducing the entire text.

    How much has modern media referenced lines like "I'll be back", "do not adjust your television", "it's alive!" and "I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse" without paying a single penny for copyrights. How many stories have included lines of exposition such "it was a dark and stormy night...", "it was love at first sight...", "you won't get away with this!" -- nobody gets sued over these lines - yet they are lines in a copyrighted work, that form the basis of connecting the reader to the story using a common linguistic protocol.

    9 lines of API code are like 9 lines of clichéd exposition in a trashy novel - call it lazy, or a hack, if you must - but they should be considered de minims under the law. I'm going to assume that these judges were just too confused or ignorant of the concept of programming to realise this.

    I think any judge preceding over a software case should have to pass some kind of "Mother-In-Law" test - e.g. describe and identify the difference between "The Google" "The Internet" and an "Internet Browser" - if they don't know the difference then they don't get to judge.

    Now how much must I pay for the use of <\i> and </\i> in my comment markup?

    1. Roland6 Silver badge

      Re: "And they all lived unhappily ever after..."

      Currently written arts ie. books don't have the same protection as music and film. So I can write "I'll be back" and not breech copyright or pay royalties, however if I take a clip from a film containing this exact phrase, I have breeched copyright and hence pay royalties (this difference was an important part of the UK court decision in the Dan Brown "Da Vinci" novel copied "The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail" case). It would seem that this court (with Oracle's assistance) is trying to raise software copyright to the same levels as that enjoyed by music and films...

      1. Tom 35

        Re: "And they all lived unhappily ever after..."

        " if I take a clip from a film"

        That's copying the performance. Something not possible in a book, or program.

        If you have a different actor say "I'll be back" in a different film, even if they say it in a fake Arnold voice? Don't think so.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Almost certainly reversed again

    now the implications of the new ruling are understood...

    Still it won't stop the usual plebs claiming it's the death of Android, long live iOS etc etc...

  8. Tim99 Silver badge
    Unhappy

    Oracle and rentier capitalism - A perfect match

    As a developer using Oracle since V4 (until I retired), I know the old truth:

    Q: "What do you call Oracle customers?"

    A: "Hostages"

    Perhaps Larry has ambitions to take all business users and developers hostage? I would be looking to avoid Java (and Oracle) in new projects wherever practicable.

    1. JLV

      Re: Oracle and rentier capitalism - A perfect match

      >I would be looking to avoid Java

      Oh avoiding Java like the plague has been my motto for years already. In Sunny times even.

  9. T. F. M. Reader

    What Java APIs?

    Does this mean that IBM and others who have their own JVMs (presumably implementing the same APIs) are Oracle's next targets? I may misunderstand what APIs are the issue here. Enlightenment will be app...

    1. Nathan 6

      Re: What Java APIs?

      IBM had a licenses to do their own JVM from Sun. Also, you are fine doing your own JVM as long as it for desktop use, and you don't call it Java. Google should have just license Java since that would make the most business sense.

      1. tom dial Silver badge

        Re: What Java APIs?

        If I recall correctly Google and Oracle could not come to terms on the details, Google wanting more than the semi-crippled Java ME but less than the full Java system. Groklaw should still have the details although, sadly, it will no longer be available to report on the followup.

      2. Richard Plinston

        Re: What Java APIs?

        > as long as it for desktop use,

        Many years ago there was a clear boundary between computers too heavy and too reliant on mains power to be carried around while being used, and almost useless battery powered devices.

        Now there is almost no distinction. Computers that I could put in my pocket may be more powerful than the one that I am writing this on, and could run the same software. My N800 from 2008 runs Linux and I can connect a keyboard - does this make it a 'desktop computer' because I put it on my desk ?

        What about laptops or tablets with bluetooth keyboards, or keyboard/covers? Do they count as 'desktops' because they are software compatible ?

    2. tom dial Silver badge

      Re: What Java APIs?

      No. It appears to mean Oracle gets to pick and choose who they will allow - or charge - to implement a proper subset of the APIs. The full API set is covered by the GPL, so IBM's implementation (and OpenJDK) probably are OK.

      Google might want to implement the remainder of the API for Android and get shut of Oracle. It might slightly burden Android phones, but to the extent the additional APIs are unused it would not be noticeable in operation. On the whole, though, I would much rather see them push further appeals to try to get a final and definitive ruling that APIs are not subject to copyright (or patent).

    3. Roland6 Silver badge

      Re: What Java APIs?

      >Does this mean that IBM and others who have their own JVMs (presumably implementing the same APIs) are Oracle's next targets?

      Not sure but what it does mean is that writers of Java reference books may have to obtain permission from Oracle...

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: What Java APIs?

        >Does this mean that IBM and others who have their own JVMs (presumably implementing the same APIs) are Oracle's next targets?

        Unlikely, once IBM has finished it's submission that it owns the copyright to the SQL language syntax

  10. Tom 7

    I've just copywritten the API for getting a drink

    fuck the lot of you.

  11. De Facto
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    Copyrights protection for real code vs patents of trivial ideas - what is more evil?

    Focus on bashing the copyright protection ruling by the court is unprofessional and a communist ideology. Books, artworks and software code are best protected by copyrights to prevent stealing without compensating authors for months and years of their work. It's also unethical propoganda Russian style, kind of 'we would take what others own en masse'. In contrast, all those coments about software copyrights as evil principle are purely delusional about the true evil - software patents based only on trivial ideas and no copyrighted code substantiating those patent claims. The truly difficult part of the software invention is a working code vs paperwork ideas that multibillion companies lawyers can patent in droves. Google's position that software patents matter, not real code, is orders of magnitudes more evil that most of comentators realize. A time when Google will become a real patent troll and extorter of money for their thousands of patented 'ideas' will come sooner than most of us think. In fact, I believe they will try to kill both open source and copyrights with their patents, if their ads revenue one day will start diminishing. That's inevitable logic for a publicly traded giant company. I see no other reason to spend billions on buying patent-rich companies. It's insurance policy, their pension plan when their company starts getting into serious financial troubles.

    1. eulampios

      @De Facto

      A time when Google will become a real patent troll and extorter of money for their thousands of patented 'ideas' will come sooner than most of us think.

      A time when the planet Niburu will finally come back and collide with the planet Earth...For the being we got our dear perfect patent trolls: Microsoft and Apple. Oracle is just a plain money extortionist.

    2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: Copyrights protection for real code vs patents of trivial ideas - what is more evil?

      Sun published Java specs, they published Java manuals, they encouraged people to learn Java - now it turns out that all that was proprietry secret information. If that had been mentioned at the time do you think we would have learned Java?

      Nobody is saying Google have the right to copy Oracle's code - just to write their own implementation of a published language manual. If this isn't true then Intel or ARM could decide that their instruction set is copyright and tomorrow almost every computer in the world is illegal.

      1. david 12 Silver badge

        Re: Copyrights protection for real code vs patents of trivial ideas - what is more evil?

        >If that had been mentioned at the time do you think we would have learned Java?

        Where were you? MS pulled versions of Win2K -- an operating system just like Android is -- and MS Office, because they had written their own varient implementation of Java -- just like Google has --, and Sun cracked the mads at them.

        1. Graham Dawson Silver badge

          Re: Copyrights protection for real code vs patents of trivial ideas - what is more evil?

          The difference there was that Microsoft licensed the java trademarks and IP to create their own VM with the Java name attached to it. They were contractually obliged to implement the full spec. When they didn't implement the spec properly and left it broken, they were in breach of that contract, and Sun sued over improper use of trademarks and copyrights for the actual substance of the machine.

          Not the API.

          Google didn't enter a license agreement with Sun/Oracle. Instead they created their own Virtual Machine called Dalvik, which implements a subset of the Java API. They don't use the Java trademarks.

          In Microsoft's case, they breached contract. In Google's case there was no contract to breach. The situation isn't even remotely comparable.

  12. eulampios

    RIP java?

    Did Oracle finally manage to kill java just like what they have done with MySQL and OpenOffice?

    Those two judges must have smoked some of the Larry's stuff.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: RIP java?

      OpenOffice is not killed, it was given to Apache Foundation, a commercial decision.

      MySQL is in no way killed, there are steady steam of release for the 5.5 and 5.6 GA series (12 releases in the last 12 months). And new 5.7 development releases, 5.7.4 was releases less than a month ago.

      Google, Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn are building webscalesql with MySQL 5.6, project started a month ago.

      1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge

        Re: RIP java?

        MySQL is in no way killed

        I guess it must be resting.

        Anyway ... PostgreSQL!

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