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As NASA's Voyager probes complete their 35th year of operation, Voyager 1 has sensed a second change in the surrounding expanse of obsidian nothingness - just as scientists predicted would happen before the craft enters interstellar space. Artist's impression of Voyager 1 and 2 in the heliosheath Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech …

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  1. BugMan
    Happy

    They just don't

    make them like they used to....

    Anyone want to take bets on how much of our current kit will still be working 35 years from now?

    Remind me, does Apple hold the patent on self distructing hardware or do they rely on fashion to make their stuff obsolete?

    1. FartingHippo
      FAIL

      Re: They just don't

      Bollocks. The Opportunity Rover is still puttering around Mars after almost 9 years. Initial mission plan was for 90 days.

      NASA engineers are still amongst the finest on the planet, and have my utmost admiration.

    2. proto-robbie
      Megaphone

      Re: They just don't

      Well, I'm still working, if you can call this work.

      Megaphone? Well I am a little bit on the deaf side these days.

  2. Hayden Clark Silver badge
    Thumb Up

    The DTR must be a marvel.

    The idea of a electro mechanical thing like a tape drive, still working after many, many hours of record, rewind, play, seek, play, rewind etc., is just amazing. And the tape still has some oxide left on it!

    Imagine putting your ear to the spacecraft (space being a vacuum an' all) and still hearing the "clunk.. whirr...clunk.... squee-squee-squeee..." noises after all this time.

    1. Fatman

      Re: The DTR must be a marvel.

      I would suggest that the "tape" isn't your garden variety mylar or polyethylene backed crap found at your local 'nickel an dime' store.For this purpose, I bet it is some kind of metal based tape. Perhaps not unlike what was used in early airplane "black boxes" (as a data recorder, not the cockpit voice recorder). What is interesting is the transport mechanism. As you stated, stop, start, fast forward and rewind, all mechanical operations. And it must work flawlessly.

  3. Andy 36
    Joke

    VGER

    ...Seeks the creator

  4. JeffyPooh
    Pint

    35 years old

    I have some radios that I bought brand new 38 years ago that still work.

    Of course, they're not in a hard vacuum exposed to Cosmic Rays.

    1. Mike Flugennock

      Re: 35 years old

      I have some radios that I bought brand new 38 years ago that still work...

      A couple of years ago, I finally retired my 1972 Kenwood receiver/amp. I wasn't its first owner (I bought it from a buddy of mine after I graduated college in 1979). It was still functioning perfectly at the time. The only failure was the burnout of the electro-luminescent backlight on the FM signal meter after I'd had it about ten years, but the meter itself still worked.

      One of my favorite things to do when poking around YouTube is to check out the footage of old CRT TV sets from the '30s, powered up and functioning perfectly. I especially enjoyed watching some footage posted by a guy in the UK, of a mid '30s vintage TV set receiving a telecast of an old Fawlty Towers episode.

      1. Pedigree-Pete

        Re: 35 years old

        No more UHF TV here (UK). My late 50s luggable used until early 80s is now completely obsolete. No SCART either!

    2. Nigel 11

      Re: 35 years old

      Your radio is in a moist oxidising atmosphere. Why do you think that things we want to last for a long time are vacuum-packed?

  5. shade82000

    There is nothing beyond the edge of the solar system, it's just a big black board with pictures of stars on it.

    The craft were captured by an alien race many years ago and they are really not that far away.

    They decode incoming signals, wait a few hours and then send us back the data that we want to see.

    1. tom dial Silver badge

      Incorrect. They send back the data they want us to see.

    2. Frumious Bandersnatch

      @shade82000

      There is nothing beyond the edge of the solar system, it's just a big black board with pictures of stars on it.

      Reminds me of Omon Ra by Victor Pelevin. On what really happened with the CCCP's space programme.

    3. Nigel 11

      You are just a simulation of a human brain in the aliens' computer. It monitors where you think you are looking and sends appropriate simulations of reality back to simulated optic nerves.

      Same idea on a grander scale, and a bugger to disprove. Isn't Occam's Razon wonderful! Relax and watch ze blinkenlights.

  6. Scott 19
    Happy

    ?

    I'm sure I watched a documentary where the probe returned and nearly destroyed the earth.

    Luckily James T Kirk (A descendant of Neil Armstrong I'm lead to believe) was on hand.

  7. b166er

    For reliability of (admittedly earth-bound) old gear, see the Kenwood Electric Chef. At least two of which I know are still in regular use today, a good 50 years subsequent to their purchase.

    I'm in awe of the very large (yet at the same time, infinitesimally small) 11.1 billion miles number!

  8. Badvok
    Alien

    Them damn pesky aliens are having a right laugh at us mere humans who still think we are receiving signals from the Voyager craft when really they destroyed them ages ago to stop us finding their home.

  9. JDX Gold badge

    How are we still able to pick up transmissions from something so far away, they must be horrendously weak by the time they reach earth?

    1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge

      Use a big dish, precisely pointed to capture the photons, select a frequency band with little interference so that the whole universe looks as quiet as a Lovecraftian underground cave, reduce bitrate to accumulate more energy in order to reliably decide whether a 1 or 0 was sent, increase redundancy to keep acceptable distance between the symbols of your language.

      http://science.howstuffworks.com/question431.htm

      http://www.uhf-satcom.com/misc/datasheet/dh2va.pdf <- Impressive dB numbers in there: 314 dB at 100 AU

  10. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
    Thumb Up

    "I've just picked up a fault in the AE-35 unit"

    Relevant: Computers in Spaceflight: The NASA Experience

    Wherein we read among others:

    "Manpower estimates for software development ranged from one programmer in 1974 and 1977, with a peak of four full-time programmers in late 1975."

    Clearly not an enterprisey solution.

    1. PT
      Boffin

      Re: "I've just picked up a fault in the AE-35 unit"

      "Manpower estimates for software development ranged from one programmer in 1974 and 1977, with a peak of four full-time programmers in late 1975."

      Ah, that must be why it's still working. Everyone knows that the ideal team size for writing compact, bug free software in the minimum total man-hours is one.

  11. Alister

    Build quality

    My mother has a refrigerator that she bought new in 1968, still working fine...

    Okay, so admittedly it wasn't stuck on top of a massive firework and shot into space, and it isn't currently floating in a vacuum at a temperature of -470C

    On balance, It probably wouldn't work so well if it had been through all that - and besides, where would you plug it in?

    1. FartingHippo
      Boffin

      Re: Build quality

      At that (unlikely) temperature, I think refrigeration would be the last thing you'd need. So I wouldn't worry about the plug.

      1. Ken Hagan Gold badge
        Trollface

        Re: unlikely temperature

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_temperature

        1. Alister
          FAIL

          Re: unlikely temperature

          Yes, typo fail there - was meant to say -270C working on the fact that it may not be quite absolute zero, although I guess that still may be wrong...

    2. Graham Bartlett

      Re: Build quality

      I'd be more impressed with a vacuum bought new in 1968 still working, regardless of temperature.

      Incidentally, good luck getting temperatures down to -470 degrees Celsius in this universe.

    3. John Smith 19 Gold badge
      Happy

      Re: Build quality

      Absolute zero is roughly -273.15c

      I think you have a units failure. Something some parts of NASA are quite familiar with.

      1. Alister

        Re: Build quality

        I think you're wrong, Celsius is denoted "C" where I come from

  12. Scott Broukell
    Joke

    Wake me up ......

    ... when the restaurant comes into view on the scanners will you.

  13. Gobhicks
    Happy

    Awesome achievement...

    ... but I bet NASA's sorry they caved in and shelled out for the extended guarantee

  14. Vattayil

    Comments

    Same as what has been indicated earlier during submission

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    When El Reg says "miles"...

    ...would that be imperial(?) statute miles (or whatever they are called) = ca. 1.6 km (seeing that El Reg is a UK publication); or nautical miles = ca.1,8 km (seeing that space travel is a part of aviation, in a way)?

    Honest question, no polemics intended.

    (Note: I *am* aware of the *proper* El Reg units such as the linguine, and possibly the Naughtical Mile; but those are not at issue here.)

    1. John 62
      Headmaster

      Re: When El Reg says "miles"...

      When El Reg says miles, they really should be using London bus-lengths.

  16. Arachnoid

    So how long before it comes back?

    1. Pedigree-Pete
      Happy

      VGER 1 coming back....

      I'd guess about 35 years.

  17. John Smith 19 Gold badge
    IT Angle

    And the IT angle is...

    Well IIRC these are *serial* processors (either true 1 bit at a time or 1 4bit nybble at a time) in MSI CMOS.

    Also the *first* time NASA felt brave enough to make the RAM out of CMOS as well (previous vehicles used the rock solid and rock heavy core memory) wired *directly* to the RTG output

    All clocked at a brisk 4Khz. That is not a typo and yes that is less than the usual clock on either a digital watch or a pocket calculator.

    As for the tape recorders these are not the usual reel to reel type. The data is written in 1 direction and read *backwards* to be sorted out once received back on Earth. New Horizons mission to Pluto will be running at about 1kbs at that range so the data rate from Voyager is even lower.

    The Reed Solomon codes used to encode the data are a cousin of the ones used to cope with missing blocks on CD's. Different failure modes but a similar effect.

    Monitoring space probes, identifying faults (often from *very* limited telemetry channel data) and devising work rounds is very demanding NASA has developed substantial AI tools to do this. It can't hold a conversation but it can spot when things are out of whack, identify a list of what the causes *might* be and suggest work arounds IIRC.

    As for future probes. *if* the NASA work on "Quantum Vacuum Plasma Thrusters" work out we may be seeing the first *real* reactionless propulsion system. IE no *propellant* required.

    Which means with enough power and time *any* spot in the Solar System becomes potentially visitable by humans.

    1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
      Trollface

      Re: And the IT angle is...

      "Quantum Vacuum Plasma Thrusters"

      Oh man, crank alert. Fat chance for success on that. Unfortunately this universe is boring and insists on conserving momentum. And as no-one knows what the "quantum vacuum" is, the math is gonna be dodgy in the extreme. Yes I looked at the presentation. It is extremely fishy. High-school algebra is supposed to illustrate that this idea has any merit?

      Nope.jpg

      1. John Smith 19 Gold badge
        Happy

        Re: And the IT angle is...

        OH I agree the idea *sounds* nuts

        But then so does the Casimir effect (also an effect of the quantum vacuum) and that is both real and measured. Quantum entanglement still seems like voodoo to me yet people appear to be gearing up for it to be the SoA in high security data transmission.

        Dr White at NASA seems to be making progress on them. I would not have described the papers I've seen on the subject as "high school level."

        This was just a brief look to the future. Most of my post was about how Voyager does what it does and *keeps* doing it after 35 years.

  18. JeffyPooh
    Pint

    The probes will be traveling "forever..."

    It's been noted that humans tend to over-estimate future progress the the short and mid term ("Flying Cars by the year 2000", that sort of nonsense), and tend to under-estimate future progress in the long term ("In 200 years we'll have really nice 120-inch LED TVs", etc.).

    The implications of this on the Voyager space probes is as follows: In about 500 years, some kids (Earthlings) will discover a historical mention of these space probes on the Interweb Archive. They'll immediately hop into their personal space buggy, race out into interstellar space to find them and bring them back. The ultimate destination of these probes is not some distant star system, but to be disassembled and the parts stuffed under some idiot teenager's bed.

  19. Poeteye
    Alien

    TOPPING THE STAR CHARTS

    Voyager 1’s “The Sounds Of Earth”

    -- James Ph. Kotsybar

    Eleven billion miles from the sun

    a record, golden when it left these parts,

    a runaway hit on Voyager One,

    at Ophiuchus, sure to top the charts,

    will introduce Mozart to other stars,

    not to mention Berry’s “Johnny B. Goode”.

    The knock-offs sold in alien bazaars

    will knock their socks off or at least it should

    make them extend their eyestalks in surprise.

    They’ll soon begin to learn to sing along

    to whales recorded and the baby’s cries —

    adepts might even master Earth’s birdsong.

    Should Beethoven not prove to be their fave,

    Then Guan PingHu’s GuQin could be their rave.

  20. Unicornpiss
    Pint

    Craftsmanship

    Something mostly absent in modern life. It seems the more complex things get, the less long they operate. NASA's recent Mars probes do reaffirm my faith though...

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