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Google has not only decided to keep the Android Honeycomb source code closed for the foreseeable future, preventing all but a few select partners from using the latest version of its mobile OS, it has also clamped down even harder on those select partners, telling them they can't make changes to the platform or form partnerships …

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    1. The Taft Hotel

      Wrtiing is on the wall

      "No need to suggest forking Android, AOSP already is that 'fork'"

      No it's not. While Google were trying to play the open source game they were keeping this pretty fresh and up to date. This was good and devs and hacker were always working on current code.

      Now Google are saying they are "not releasing source for the foreseeable future". This it then a different game altogether. AOSP will still be Google, it will be updated to Honeycomb at some point but by then devices will have been out for a long time and people will be left working building on old code base. While AOSP is always way behind production devices and versions given to preferred partners, AOSP becomes very much a send class product. always kept behind google partners and 2nd class. This is NOT how it has been to date.

      That is why a true branch would be better, as it could grow independent of Google and produce an open source version that could compete with the google offering and judging my some of the work on XDA, even better!

      You can kiss good buy to great roms being better than those on production manufactures devices it google are going to start keeping the base source back.

      1. gort
        Linux

        Google actually said

        "We're committed to providing Android as an open platform across many device types and will publish the source as soon as it's ready."

  1. bazza Silver badge

    Oh dear

    Sounds like Google are trying to push the genie back in to the bottle. Too late. They're beginning to pay the price of some very poor decisions of 4 years ago. Either they leave things as they are (i.e. anarchy) or upset the manufacturers a lot. And if they do get the mythical being back in to its glassy home, just what would the difference be between Android and Windows Mobile from the point of view of the manufacturers?

    Well, for starters MS impose a hardware spec which makes it practical to have different manufacturers with one OS. Works for PCs, should work for mobiles. Handset manufacturers can build to that spec, and in theory MS look after everything else. Google doesn't, though they probably will (but you can smell it coming a mile off). If they do, then any handset built now will likely become unsupportable. What's the betting that Honeycomb makes it on to very few existing handsets?

    1. stewski

      Are you stating fiction or facts?

      Does the Open Handset Alliance not give minimum hardware requirements for Android also?

      By the way, did those standards help samsung and MS in their recent updater update efforts?

  2. KrisMac

    Not Open? Since When did 'Open' mean 'Anarchic'?

    Maybe my 20+ years in the IT industry had given me poor eyesight from VDU burnout, but can someone point me to a 'successful' Open Source project that is not under the 'control' of someone?

    * Linux == Linus Torvalds (if you don't believe me, just try publishing crap to the kernel).

    * Apache == Apache Foundation, (via registered Comitter List)

    * GNU == Free Software Foundation, (Richard Stallman et al.)

    * OpenOffice == Oracle, (nee SUN)

    * LibreOffice == The Document Foundation, (via the Steetring Committee)

    I cannot for the life of me see what the difference between Google's approach to project management and the apporaches taken by these other projects is. Nor can I see why a project should be alloed to decend into anarchy, simply because it was originally punted by Google.

    This is just Microsoft and their pet media hacks trying to sling mud/FUD...

    Nothing new here - move on

    1. The Taft Hotel

      Open Source

      * Linux == Linus Torvalds (if you don't believe me, just try publishing crap to the kernel).

      * Apache == Apache Foundation, (via registered Comitter List)

      * GNU == Free Software Foundation, (Richard Stallman et al.)

      * OpenOffice == Oracle, (nee SUN)

      * LibreOffice == The Document Foundation, (via the Steetring Committee)

      I don't think any of those are holding the source closed until they have given it to other commercial partners are they? The source is available for all of them, no? They are all pretty good examples of real "open" source to me.

      1. Ilgaz

        So Steve Jobs is a legal/technical genius?

        Funny thing is, they managed to prove SJobs right. Guy said "It is NOT open".

        I hate both Google and Adobe for proving everything he says. Also, IBM too (with G5).

    2. Kieran
      FAIL

      So hang on, Open Source is all bollocks?

      Linus personally approves every release of Redhat, Suse, Ubuntu et al?

      Wow. You've opened my eyes.

      1. blcollier
        FAIL

        *Sigh...*

        Redhat, Suse, Ubuntu et al are not "Linux" - they are Linux *distributions*. *Linux* refers to the core kernel, which was originally created by Linus Torvalds. A Linux distribution is built on top of the Linux kernel, but with other software packages bundled in to make everything work properly and make it all look pretty. The kernel on it's own is pretty useless for most people.

        This is a distinction that very few people actually make in reality - and even those of us that are aware of it often refer to distros as "Linux" - but there is a fundamental difference.

        1. stewski

          Thanks mr OED

          Thanks for that blcollier, I didnt realise that YOU alone are the authorative source on this matter.

          General use of the word linux refers to any operating system based on linus' kernel and it is that general use that will likely come to define the word not your chosen take on it.

          Yes there are many distributions of open source software that bundle the kernel and various OS components, these can all be (and generally are) termed linux by the majority of users and distributors!

          1. blcollier

            This is a title

            Yes, Linux distributions are usually called 'Linux'. In fact I even said so myself: "This is a distinction that very few people actually make in reality - and even those of us that are aware of it often refer to distros as "Linux"". Please read the actual thread, and don't just jump on the first long-haired hippy freetard comment you happen to spot.

            My post was in response to:

            'Linus personally approves every release of Redhat, Suse, Ubuntu, et al?'

            Which itself was a response to a much earlier comment stating that anything to do with 'Linux' is under the 'control' of Linus Torvalds. Which it pretty much is, because it's *his* kernel in the first place and he's still very active in kernel development. So, yes, Linus Torvalds does approve releases of 'Linux', because the term 'Linux' does not mean 'Linux distribution'.

  3. Mikel
    Pint

    Tempest in a teacup

    The whole thing will be open in due course. In the interim this is a good thing because there are really well funded, connected and motivated people who will stop at nothing to ruin Android tablets. They want desperately to ship a Honeycomb spin that breaks security, ruins the customer experience and, if possible, implicates Google in some perceived wrongdoing. This very article illustrates how desperate and shrill they are becoming.

    I doubt Google likes this necessary defensive posture either and is working diligently to correct it. In the interim you are free to select from any of the other available free and open source tablet operating systems, and install that on your Android tablets. Google is under no compulsion to open source any more of this code before they are ready to do so.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    FAIL

    Google/Android = Welcome to the new Steve Jobs and Apple/iOS

    Bloody Freetards!

    makes me sick!

  5. AlvordSky

    Open Source is compatible with >>some<< control

    There is significant value in having an approver or coordinator to prevent fragmentation in interfaces, APIs, app compatibility, etc. The real question is how the approver exerts their control. There are good and bad examples - Linus does a darned good job coordinating the Linux contributors, in a collaborative way. I hope that Google follows that example; if they do, this can be of help. We'll see.........

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Jobs Halo

    This is why I buy into the Apple zoo

    Better closed and honest about it than closed and dishonest about it. Not to mention interested in your money rather than your data.

  7. gort
    Linux

    Skyhook

    Skyhook turned out to be bs-ing; the judge booted their preliminary injunction against Google, saying that emails revealed in the pretrial showed that Google was trying to work with them to achieve a situation where Skyhook's software could coexist properly with the rest of Android, but Skyhook didn't want to play nice and Motorola eventually canned their contract. Surprisingly I didn't see this covered in the Reg, not anti-Google enough for you?

    The rest of this is nothing new; Google has always had an Android compatibility program, and has always had a two-tier ecosystem of Open Handset Alliance members and the rest of the world when it comes to receiving open source dumps. I would take with a huge grain of salt the vague FUD about new "fragmentation" requirements from anonymous sources.

  8. Rob Moir

    Apple and Microsoft

    ... they may well be bastards but at least they're honest about it.

  9. Matt_V

    Will this be true tomorrow...

    Or after mid day? that is all.

  10. RichyS
    Grenade

    Apologists

    I can't believe how many Android Apologists there are reading El Reg.

    Imagine the spleen being vented if this sort of thing was being done by Apple/MS/Sony. You lot are pathetic.

    1. Paul M 1

      Title

      You know what I can't believe? How anyone can be an advocate for *any* corporation unless they were being paid to do it. Apple, Microsoft, Google, Sony whoever....

      At least FOSS has an ideology behind it but sticking up for entities whose legal responsibility is to take as much money as possible from you....?!?

    2. stewski

      Free Open Source Apologists?

      Most people are unlikely to understand how you become an apologist for software that has been released source and all to the comunity.

      Yes many would prefer earlier releases of source

      others want tighter control

      some are saying better closed and honest.

      Myself I do see any failure to release regular Android code or suggest no further releases of a branch as a huge step backwards.

      But no an honestly closed controled draconian future is not the path I want for my computing, information technology future. If you like being told which cartoonists to read, how programs should be written and what they should be allowed to do.

      Personally Im too busy tethering my £90 Android 2.2 (cyanogen) phone to pay £430 for a locked down iPhone 3GS...

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Android Stalinists

    The androidnauts are acting just like old-school stalinists who've just received the latest line from the central committee.

    1. Sam Liddicott

      stalinists?

      spoken like someone who doesn't know stalin or the stalinists.

      The androidists aren't a single organised bunch, you are probably seeing different android fans each time and mistaking them for the same group - a common mistake in earlier years in such matters as race, or gender, and was legally recognised as not being a basis for discrimination.

      You could learn the general principle that not all of <group> are the same.

  12. Rob Davis

    modding communities are a reason

    Why the source is closed. Androis vendors want people to continually buy devices and they want to minimise spend on testing new android versions. The android versions available via modding communities delay consumers upgrading. Not releasing the source for honeycomb is a lesson learnt by google from the mobile market. This helps vendors invest in developing newer products from the sales of consumers buying them.

    I think the modding communities are a good thing for consumers but i also see it from the vendors point of view wanting to encourage buying new stuff so that consumers can benefit from newer stuff..

  13. Alan 43

    this is temporary

    This is temporary as Google have indicated they took a number of shortcuts to produce the current 3.0 code for tablets only - which would result in fragmentation - when in the slightly longer term they are still working to their original goal of 3.0 for phones and tablets

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      You really believe this don't you...

      ...bless.

      Lol

  14. Adam T
    Happy

    brilliant

    Whether or not Google are doing the right thing (and I think they are in some aspects, are not in others), one thing is hilarious:

    All the manufacturers thinking they were going to get a free ride into Tablet-Land are paying the price of admission into the greatest Cargo Cult of the early 21st Century. There really is no free lunch, is there.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    FAIL

    Kiss android goodbye

    Honeycomb has only got 50 apps, And what, one very expensive tablet. Now I find that google is playing random favorites with the source code and may find that I have unsupported hardware in the near future.

    I can see why WM7 is projected to go from 5 to 20% market share. I think I can deal with MS's bullshit as at least I know there is an upgrade path.

  16. Dan 55 Silver badge
    Unhappy

    Might get an N8 after all

    We've got the original dumbed-down locked-down phone OS, Microsoft's copy, and Google pretending to be everybody's friend but just playing power games and slurping more data then the other two put together.

    Something's up when Symbian 3's a dead end and there's only going to be one more MeeGo phone but even so both look infinitely more appealing as a next phone than anything based on those three.

    1. Kristian Walsh Silver badge

      Ironically...

      ...Nokia just released the sourcecode for Symbian last week.

  17. Anthony Prime
    Unhappy

    A salutory lesson...

    This, once again confirms that corporations care not a jot about FOSS beyond turning a profit from it.

    Without a doubt the android model from here will be the same as OSX.

    Take a solid open source project, apply a few saps back to "the community" and then build the UI and other services on top in a nice closed manner.

    Mark my words, Google Android (as opposed to any forks that may or may not happen) will have a nice tight closed App Store within 12 months, because that's another income source for them as a for profit corporation to think any different is madness..

    Open source Android will be to Google Android what BSD is to OSX - a marginalized irrelevance. Pains me to say it, but thats what I see.

  18. Anonymous Coward
    Flame

    FRAGMENTATION!!!!

    OH NO! THE UI IS DIFFERENT!!!!

    But guess what... your application still work.. replacing the launcher application or changing some graphics in the framework doesn't break all existing applications. Seriously, this really gets on my tits. You have idiots (including Steve the great) saying "Look at these companies like tweetdeck.. they have to make millions of versions of their app to cover all the Android devices".. no, they don't, you can choose not to support older platform versions or some screen sizes.. but no, HTC's changes to the stock apps and changes to framework graphics DO NOT RENDER THEIR PHONES INCOMPATIBLE WITH A "STANDARD" ANDROID DEVICE.

    And FFS, how many times does it need to be pointed out that Maps ARE NOT PART OF THE ANDROID PLATFORM. Google's market IS NOT PART OF THE ANDROID PLATFORM. If you want to use Google's extra APIs you have to define that in your application's manifest.. Lets repeat that MAPS IS NOT PART OF THE ANDROID PLATFORM. If you want to use maps and the market you have to keep google happy. You could build an Android device with your own market and value add applications... but I doubt many vendors want to do that when A: consumers want the google apps B: the google apps are fairly good C: the rules google have aren't all that insane.

    1. Paul 135
      Megaphone

      well said

      Very well said. This "fragmentation" argument is bullshit. The most important part of Android is that it has a cross-manufacturer standardised application platform.

      Phones are also NOT PCs. They come in many different shapes and sizes, and trying to force the device manufacturers to use a one-size-fits-all approach will only fail.

      If Google are trying to enforce exactly the same UI across manufacturers then this is nothing but Google being absolute cvnts. IMO the stock Android UI is just not as good as with the tweaks from the likes of Sony Ericsson (2011 devices). ... and don't get me started on those stupid 4 Android buttons at the bottom - SE's latest devices with 3 buttons have much more logical layout IMO.

  19. Paul 135
    Jobs Horns

    Too many AppleTards within Google if you ask me. The signs were all there.

    I became alarmed at the signs that Google were turning towards thinking in an evil and controlling "Jobsian" way last year when Google announced that all of its employees must use Apple computers. That was the start of the end...

  20. Aaron Guilmette
    Boffin

    Google is just ...

    Learning now what Microsoft learned 20 years ago.... That giving your stuff away with no restrictions is no way to make money. Once you give away the fruit of your engineering, there's no reason for people to come back to you. Companies can't be supported by banner ads alone.

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