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It's December 2018, and a rogue application can still tell your Apple Mac: I'm your El Capitan now

David Shaw

patching now

it'll be nice to see if SecUpd 2018-003 is as 'fun' to install as SecUpd 2018-002 was on my mid-2012 MacPro (it took about a month, and the story is just too long to relate. . )

at least now that MoJave is vers '02, that means I might try it on a minor mac somewhere - Pournelle's rule?

Daniel Hall

hurr durr

Macs are invincible. Macs never get viruses.



Re: hurr durr

Said no experience tech ever.....

James O'Shea
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Re: hurr durr

There actually aren't any viruses for macOS and never have been. Trojans, yes. Adware, yes. Spyware, yes. Even worms, yes. Viruses, no, other than MS Office macro viruses, and damn few of those both worked and were even close to being actual viruses. Doubters are invited to scour the list of CVEs and produce examples.

Yes, I'm the one who points out that the armoured fighting vehicle that some twat on TV just called a 'tank' is a self-propelled artillery piece or, worse, an infantry fighting vehicle or even an armoured personnel carrier or an armoured scout vehicle. I also have been known to point out that aircraft such as AC-130s are NOT fighters. This kind of thing makes me very popular at parties.

Yes, that's my coat, the one with the box for a 1:32 scale model of a Douglas SBD beside it. And the box, too, thanks.

Aristotles slow and dimwitted horse
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Re: This kind of thing makes me very popular at parties.

Yes, Trisha McMillan told me you actually did go as Livingstone, rather than Darwin. Despite the Beagle being the obvious giveaway.

Michael Wojcik
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Re: hurr durr

Viruses are rare for modern OSes, partly because executable images on filesystems often aren't writable by the victim, but more because it's just not an interesting or particularly useful exploit mechanism anymore. There are much better things for an attacker to do, notably downloading more complex payloads and either planting them elsewhere in the filesystem or leaving them memory-resident.

Saying there are no viruses for MacOS is a bit like saying few people these days break their wrists turning the starting cranks for their cars, or get kicked by their horses when harnessing a team to their carriages.

Also, if we're including the classic MacOS (and why wouldn't we be?), some sources disagree with your claim.

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arbitrary remote code execution via a malicious web page


Zippy´s Sausage Factory

Re: arbitrary remote code execution via a malicious web page

Or, as it's known in Windows-land, Active X...

Aristotles slow and dimwitted horse
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The problem is...

The problem is... I don't want to use a Mac, and I use an iPhone because it's a better rock than the hard place of having a handset with an O/S from Google on it. So iTunes on Windows (whilst utterly shit) is the only viable alternative for getting all of my music on and off of the handset.

Unless anyone knows any different???

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Re: The problem is...

There are plenty of alternative bits of software that claim to be able to do it - doing a search for "iphone data to pc without itunes" brings up lots of results though I have only personally checked out SyncIOS, which seemed to work fine -

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