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GTA gamer cuffed, charged after PS4 live mic allegedly overheard him raping teen girl

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Sometimes we can only be thankful that most criminals seem to be stupid.

ElReg!comments!Pierre

Reporting bias

That kind of stupidity often makes the news and leaves a strong imprint in our mind, creating the impression that most criminals are stupid. In reallity the mildly stupid ones are only caught after lengthy and costly investigations, the clever ones may never get caught, and the very clever scum are careful to use legal loopholes.

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: Reporting bias

the clever ones may never get caught

.. or even amass enough money to become President (no need to be that clever, evidently).

Tom 7 Silver badge

Re:Re: Reporting bias

Trump has less money than if he'd left his inheritance in trust so no amassing involved there,

Blank Reg Silver badge

Re: Re:Reporting bias

Due to his debts and the now negative value of the trump brand, It may turn out that he has less money than you'd find down the back of your couch.

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ma1010 Silver badge
Holmes

Already out on bail for rape

This time, maybe no bail?

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

"Police say the latest offence happened at Fabian's home on June 28. He is in custody."

Keep him there, and give him counseling. I hope rehab works for him.

I would also make him pay for counseling for her now and in the future, memory of events like this can surface years later. I wish her luck and a full recovery

Malcolm Weir Silver badge

If he is successfully prosecuted (and I hope he is, but am very much aware that we're hearing the story that the prosecution wants told, which may or may not be objectively accurate), then he'll go to jail, receive no counselling, be registered as a sex offender, and when he finally gets released, he'll have little or no ability to earn enough money to pay for counselling for himself or anyone else.

He's asshole (if what's reported is even vaguely true, of course), but the Florida justice system has no interest in improving the lives of anyone (victim or perpetrator).

FozzyBear Silver badge

Meanwhile in Australia...

A guy has been arrested for sexual assault on a 7 yr old girl whilst being on parole for sexual assaults back in 2012.. Rehabilitation for sex offenders, unlikely, they have one of the highest percentages for recidivism across all the offender groups, that also includes countries/states that have rehabilitation programs for sex offenders

The sad fact is once someone commits a sex offence (male or female) it is highly unlikely that they will stop.

ElReg!comments!Pierre

Beware of bias

If you believe meta-stats on these things (and I kinda do, with caution) most of these offences are not reported at all (social and family pressure, there's a whole lot of litterature on that). Statistics (should) only look at closed cases with a conviction (to avoid unfounded witch-hunts).

It follows that the only people monitored for that kind of offences are prior offenders. The aforementionned social pressure also makes it much easier for victims to report abuse once the offender has been outed by another victim.

So of course the rate of recidivism will appear high, compared to the mostly unreported "Primo-offenders". That's just basic math. It's also quite sad. Still no reason to think that " it is highly unlikely that they will stop.", as you put it.

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Has proper counseling ever been tried? I think that once someone is labeled a sex offender nothing is ever done to try and help.

I believe that with proper counseling some offenders can be rehabilitated. Locking them up without help is the wrong approach.

If that doesn't work lock them up and with no chance of parole.

Teiwaz Silver badge

Statistics

Rehabilitation for sex offenders, unlikely, they have one of the highest percentages for recidivism across all the offender groups, that also includes countries/states that have rehabilitation programs for sex offenders

I'm not sure I trust statistics like that, especially given that curated example of a serial offender as the only unverified source reference.

Such an assumption takes for granted only people with the inability to process empathy are capable of committing a sexual offence (such people would be more likely to re-offend) such assumptions are dangerous. Anyone is capable of given a certain set of circumstances. That could be falling into their own worse impulses even just momentarily or those of an enclosed group that's normalised aberrant behaviour.

Danny 2 Silver badge

Meanwhile in England

One of the Rotherham child rapists has been given parental rights over a child one of his victims conceived, including expecting visits from the child. No tech angle, just an example of how ridiculous the law is.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-46368991

Eddy Ito Silver badge

In 2014 the US. DOJ put out a recidivism study covering 30 states from 2005 to 2010 that showed sex offenders aren't any more likely than other groups to repeat offend within 5 years, the length of the study. In fact, the only two groups of offenders less likely to repeat offend were homicides and DUIs.

Study (PDF) here and there's handy tables on page 8 (Table 8) and page 9 (Tables 9 & 10) breaking it down somewhat.

Unfortunately table 10 doesn't break it out quite as far as it could but it seems that most of the recidivism arrests are "Public Order Offenses" which could simply be mean they missed the bus that takes them to their meeting with their parole officer.

Cynic_999 Silver badge

"

Rehabilitation for sex offenders, unlikely, they have one of the highest percentages for recidivism across all the offender groups,

"

Complete misinformation. Sex offenders in fact have the *lowest* rates for re-offending (look up the statistics). Unfortunately people start believing the lies if they are told them often enough.

swm

What about successful suicides?

Eddy Ito Silver badge
Trollface

What about successful suicides?

Interesting question, but since suicide isn't a crime in the US there was no need for the DOJ to track the recidivism statistics. Perhaps you should propose a study, I'm sure it's a near lock to get government funding.

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Well, at least that's ..

.. game over for him.

(sorry, someone had to say it).

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: Well, at least that's ..

They 'had to'?

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: Well, at least that's ..

They 'had to'?

You're new here, aren't you?

:)

wolfetone Silver badge

Makes you think how many Amazon Alexa's, Xbox One's, Google Home's etc have been listening in to people and have been witnessing these crimes.

A Nonny Moose

I think Amazon, Microsoft, and Google would much rather you didn't think about it.

Roj Blake Silver badge

Waiting for The Dail Mail et al...

...to somehow blame the rape on GTA.

ElReg!comments!Pierre

Re: Waiting for The Dail Mail et al...

Nah, we're not in an election cycle.

Eddy Ito Silver badge

Re: Waiting for The Dail Mail et al...

Why wait? It's actually worse, so much worse.

ElReg!comments!Pierre

Re: Waiting for The Dail Mail et al...

Stellar piece, thanks for the link. A textbook example of why politicians should not be allowed anywhere near statistics.

The whole argument is based on the assumption that the defendant is necessarily guilty, so "the rate of conviction" necessarily needs to increase. Hey, I have the perfect solution: let's scrap juries and trials altogether and automate the whole thing: online declaration, automatic sentencing of the accused within 10 seconds, print your receipt, problem solved (reaching the 10 seconds response time might require some improvement in the UK's network infrastructure though).

david 12 Bronze badge

18 year old man

18 is always a "man" when he does something bad. It's always a teenager (or even a child) when something bad happens to him.

ElReg!comments!Pierre

Re: 18 year old man

In most countries, 18 yo = a man. The US has this strange distortion where you are no longer a kid at 18 but not a real adult until 21. I like to call it "Adulting probation". It serves no special purpose that I can think of. But again, we're talking about a legal system that will happily flag kids as paedophiles for sharing frisky snaps among their same-age friends (not that it is a good idea, mind).

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