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OnePlus 6T: Tasteful, powerful – and much cheaper than a flagship

Duncan Macdonald Silver badge

No headphone socket - no sale

The Pocophone F1 is much cheaper - basically the same innards and does have a headphone socket.

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: No headphone socket - no sale

I agree, losing the headphone socket is a real own goal. I'm quite glad I didn't wait for the 6T, the 6 will do me just fine for the next few years.

Gordon 10 Silver badge

Re: No headphone socket - no sale

Same innards? Not really - no NFC on F1. Frankly I'd rather buy a bluetooth headset than lose Android pay.

CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

Re: No headphone socket - no sale

I agree, losing the headphone socket is a real own goal

Not for me - I haven't used wired headphones in years. Other than linking the phone to the car, it's the only thing I use bluetooth for.

(I'm aware that this is an indivdual choice)

JohnFen Silver badge

Re: No headphone socket - no sale

I guess I can see that, if NFC is a thing you value. Personally, NFC is another thing that I'd never use.

Dave 126 Silver badge

Re: No headphone socket - no sale

Galaxy S9 is around £550 now, and gives you headphone socket, waterproofing, wireless charging, SD card, better camera, better screen, no notch.

Also you can buy it from a legitimate UK retailer who will give a you a VAT invoice which OnePlus won't do.

NonSSL-Login

Re: No headphone socket - no sale

Still have a Oneplus 1 and a OnePlus 3T but the increasing cost and a few annoying Oneplus quirks (no automated quiet times because 'the settings may interfere with the hardware DND switch', battery issues after updates, no Daydream support even though the chipset supported it, among other things) and the increasing price made me think twice about getting another OnePlus.

Ended up getting a s9+ with 256gb of storage for such an awesome deal it worked out cheaper than the OnePlus. Obviously I had to de-bloat it with package manager as I prefer the cleaner OP experience and generally dislike Samsung, but can honestly say im happy with the performance of the phone. The waterproofing and camera quality are worth paying that little bit extra for, even though I actually paid less.

I think my love affair with OP is over now. Loved their first phone but now they are becoming similar prices as other flagships and all have quirks which annoy me to some extent and have terrible support. Hurts my pride to say I like a Samsung phone too, compared to the pride of having an OPO with cyanogenmod as standard.

J27

Re: No headphone socket - no sale

Also, no warranty or support. With OnePlus you get 1 year warranty & 2 years guaranteed of major updates + 1 year of security updates.

Yes, you're paying more, but you're getting something for that money. I don't want to deal with the issues of a Chinese market phone ever again.

K Silver badge

Re: No headphone socket - no sale

@JoshFen Yep spot-on.. Personally I use Android Pay every day for travelling around London. To be honest, 6 months ago, I'd never even thought of using, today though its a key requirement of any phone..

Michael Habel Silver badge

Re: No headphone socket - no sale

Same innards? Not really - no NFC on F1. Frankly I'd rather buy a bluetooth headset than lose Android pay.

Then do I have some bad news for you...

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: No headphone socket - no sale

I spotted some OLED screen burn artifacts on my Samsung over the weekend, and after a painless online chat I've been advised that they'll fit a new screen free of charge in a few hours in a city near me.

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: No headphone socket - no sale

"you can buy [the Galaxy S9] from a legitimate UK retailer who will give a you a VAT invoice which OnePlus won't do"

If that's an issue then you can buy your OnePlus from Carphone Warehouse instead of direct (other retailers may be available).

Gordon 10 Silver badge
FAIL

Re: No headphone socket - no sale

@michael. Thats just a rebrand from Android Pay to Google Pay. No change to the functionality, just happened on the last app upgrade - it was seamless.

JohnFen Silver badge

Re: No headphone socket - no sale

"Yes, you're paying more, but you're getting something for that money."

I don't care about warranty and support, but I do care about the loss of important features. I'm certainly not going to pay a premium for a phone that doesn't, at a minimum, do at least what my current phone does for me.

Timmy B Silver badge

Will skip this - but will get 7 I expect.

I'm perfectly happy with my 5T. It's working fine. Battery lasts well. Firmware updates regularly. What's not to like.

J27

Re: Will skip this - but will get 7 I expect.

I have one of those too, I'm keeping mine until I break it or the battery dies. Great phone.

DrXym Silver badge

Dumb dumb dumb

Dropping the headphone jack was a stupid metoo decision. How much real estate did they save from the measure? How many cents did it save? The answer to both is "minimal".

This was an opportunity for them to say "we're lead by what our customers need and want, not by the whims of the market to save a few pennies". They blew it.

JDX Gold badge

Re: Dumb dumb dumb

I disparage the people who rail about SD support and removable batteries but I just don't get the demise of 3.5mm. It's a ubiquitous standard that works incredibly well and has done since the Walkman (and before). We know that voluntary use of wireless 'phones has not gone mainstream - they aren't removing the socket because everyone has stopped using 3.5mm, everyone stops using 3.5mm because it's removed.

I use multiple devices (phone, iPad, other tablet, PC) with my earphones and while some of these support BlueTooth, not all do... and in my experience BlueTooth accessories HATE being shared between devices. So I'll have to dick about pairing/unpairing devices and continually find my earphones aren't working because they decided to pair with my iPad instead of my phone, etc.

m0rt Silver badge

Re: Dumb dumb dumb

"I disparage the people who rail about SD support and removable batteries"

Really? Disparage? What on earth for? Just because your use case doesn't mandate the necessity of those things...

Sensible requests from my perspective, as an Android user who also has a mac and distrusts cloud storage for anything important/sensitive.

We agree on the headphone jack, however.

JohnFen Silver badge

Re: Dumb dumb dumb

"I disparage the people who rail about SD support and removable batteries"

Why? Those are things that are very good and useful, like the audio jack. Also like the audio jack, they are things for which there is currently no adequate substitute.

Dave 126 Silver badge

Re: Dumb dumb dumb

The "it doesn't have removable storage!" comments have been remarkably constant in frequency and nature since the days of phones only having 4-8 GB of internal storage.

I can only conclude that no amount of storage will satisfy some people, and I wonder what they're doing with it, how they back it up, or how they possibly lived in the days when 20GB of spinning rust was as much as you could keep in one pocket.

David Given

Re: Dumb dumb dumb

You've obviously never had to transfer large numbers of files on and off a phone! Removable storage is mainly useful because it's *removable* --- meaning, I can take the card out and stick it in a fast PC reader.

Yes, modern phones have adequate amounts of internal storage (although you can still quickly run out if you want to, e.g., load up with completely legitimate films for a long flight), but having removable storage adds so much more flexibility.

Ogi

Re: Dumb dumb dumb

> Removable storage is mainly useful because it's *removable* --- meaning, I can take the card out and stick it in a fast PC reader.

Indeed, I do that all the time to move photos/videos taken with the camera off the phone and onto my PC.

It is also really useful for migrating to a new phone. All my personal stuff is on the SD card already, all I have to do is click "export contact list to sd card" (and if I feel like, export my installed apps to the SD card as well).

Then stick the SD card in my new phone, import contact list and apps, and done. All my data is already there.

It isn't really for the extra storage, as most phones have decent internal storage. The nice thing however is that you can take as many photos/videos as you want, and if you fill up the SD card, the phone keeps working. You can even temporarily switch to internal memory as a reserve area, so you can carry on taking photos/videos of the event, while being aware that you need to empty it out to the PC when next possible.

Nothing worse than filling up the phones internal memory, and then you have to delete stuff before you can use the phone again.

Needless to say, I only buy phones with removable SD card, sim and battery (and a headphone jack), so most of the "top end" market doesn't cater to me.

Pen-y-gors Silver badge

Re: Dumb dumb dumb

I must confess general ignorance as I don't use headphones, but surely a purchase of a 3.5mm to USB-C adapter (£10 on you-know-who) solves the problem?

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: Dumb dumb dumb

If you are trying to sell handsets to a company that has any idea about security no SD card slot is a plus.

You dont want your dozy employees saving files to the SD card they didn't encrypt and then losing the phone.

Then there is the data squirrel that seems to think every document on a company private cloud belongs to them and may have a use one day.

You need to make it as difficult as possible for these bozo's.

Michael Habel Silver badge

Re: Dumb dumb dumb

I spluged a bit, and got the 40GiB's of spining fruity goodness back in the day. Might be worth looking though it again... If I can ever find the Cables for the wretched thing. but, year the iPod was about the only thing (Cr)apple ever managed to get somewhat right.*

*Some what, in that you could only... (And, probably to this day to boot!), use it with iTunes. Cause you know Drag & Drop, was for the dirty WinXP Plebs.

JohnFen Silver badge

Re: Dumb dumb dumb

"I can only conclude that no amount of storage will satisfy some people, and I wonder what they're doing with it, how they back it up"

And what hard limit for storage do you think should satisfy everyone? Last I checked, different people had different needs, and remoaveable storage is an easy and satisfactory way of being able to accommodate everyone.

For the record, I use the bulk of my storage for two things: to move very large datasets, and to hold the music that I listen to. If I couldn't use my phone for those things, I'd have to carry Yet Another Device, which is something that I'm trying hard to not do.

JohnFen Silver badge

Re: Dumb dumb dumb

I suppose it "solves" the problem in one sense, but it creates an entirely new problem in return. Those adapters are terrible and not a workable solution at all for me.

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: Dumb dumb dumb

not that i'm questioning the usefulness of what ur describing but they sound like edge cases to me.

are you switching phones so often that the 'i can switch my sd card between them' is genuinely a feature? or is it nice to have on that odd occasion you switch phones every other year when u upgrade?

similarly with the 'running out of space on my internal storage' use case. just how frequently are you filling it up that you need to switch storage? again it seems like an edge case that can easily be remedied with backups off your phone every now and then.

i'm genuinely curious about the need for sd cards in modern phones with 64GB+ storage. are you guys really copying that volume of data on and off your phones that often that it's a such a chore? what exactly is this multi gigabyte data that people are capturing so frequently on their phones?? i understand that hd and 4k cameras are now built in... but are you really capturing that much footage so frequently that you genuinely need to switch cards? or could you simply benefit from the occassional backup every other month?

for the content creators out there - i figure removable storage is an absolute must. but they're using proper camera devices for that, surely?

JohnFen Silver badge

Re: Dumb dumb dumb

"are you guys really copying that volume of data on and off your phones that often that it's a such a chore?"

Yes.

"what exactly is this multi gigabyte data that people are capturing so frequently on their phones??"

The music I carry with me, mostly, but also document collections, and large datasets of various sorts. Oh, and I also run a webserver on my phone that I use to quickly distribute information to others. This isn't data captured on my phone, this is data I want to access on my phone, or data I'm moving to a different place.

JohnFen Silver badge

Re: Dumb dumb dumb

A company may have solid reasons why they'd want the phones they issue to their employees to have limited capabilities. That doesn't mean that we should accept similarly limited capabilities for our personal phones, though.

Down not across

Re: Dumb dumb dumb

are you switching phones so often that the 'i can switch my sd card between them' is genuinely a feature? or is it nice to have on that odd occasion you switch phones every other year when u upgrade?

It is not always case of how often either. I had a phone break when it dropped and hit ground in a bad way. Luckily I had any personal data, photos, Keepass database and such on the SD card. Get new phone and put the card in, wait for Google Play to redownload apps and everything was back.

So yes I am definitely in the "no SD card - no sale" camp.

David Paul Morgan

Re: Dumb dumb dumb

comes in the box - same as the pixel 3

JDX Gold badge

Re: surely a purchase of a 3.5mm to USB-C adapter

I can't see that working well when it's in my jeans pocket?

Also there's the issue of charging while using. Not a problem for me but surely common.

JDX Gold badge

Re: Dumb dumb dumb

>Really? Disparage? What on earth for? Just because your use case doesn't mandate the necessity of those things...

Because these small minority of people continually rant and rail Apple et al won't build their devices around their specific needs. The VAST majority of users do not want removable storage or battery, El Reg is in no way representative of the wider world.

Whereas, regular normal people DO want to use 3.5mm headphones. OnePlus even have the data showing this.

JDX Gold badge

Re: Dumb dumb dumb

>Oh, and I also run a webserver on my phone that I use to quickly distribute information to others

Well clearly then everyone needs SD. This is a very common use for a phone.

So, you can't get USB->Ethernet adapters for phones? I suppose I'd assumed phones would support USB3 these days anyway but maybe they don't.

Alan Sharkey

My 5 is still good

I've had the OP 5 since June 2017 and it's still working fine and being updated. I may go for an OP7 if thee's enough new stuff to justify the cost.

Boothy Silver badge

Re: My 5 is still good

Still got a 3 here, on 8.0 and patched level Sep 2018.

Still quick and working fine.

Only noticeable degradation is the battery, but it still lasts over a day between charges, even 2 days with light use.

Tom Wood

Re: My 5 is still good

My 3T is still going strong, as is my wife's 3 (though hers is on its fourth screen courtesy of the Nationwide's insurance policy).

jmch Silver badge

Re: My 5 is still good

I think that phones have already a couple of years ago passed the threshold of vastly diminishing returns. I have a Samsung Galaxy S6, which was the flagship model 3 1/2 years ago.

Sure, newer phones have faster processors, sharper screens, better cameras, wireless charging.... but the gains are marginal and the new features aren't 'must-haves' (and in some cases like audio jack, the newer phones are going backwards).

When I got my phone it was already over 1 year old model picked up for around £300. If I had to replace it, I completely fail to see the compulsion of spending north of £500 for a new phone as opposed to £££ less for a model that's a year or two old but still offering more functionality and performance than I could ever imagine needing. £500-£600 for a flagship model a few years ago was already steep, but maybe justifiable for someone using the processing power/screen for games or amateur photographers who wanted a really good on-the-go snapper. But £700 to over a grand for a phone that's only marginally better than something that cost £300 2 years ago is batshit mental

James 51 Silver badge

You can get a dual sim S9 sim free from amazon for £470 for £27 a month with no upfront fee from car phone warehouse. It isn't as good value as it appears to be.

Gordon 10 Silver badge

I agree. Not sure the UI makes the several £100 quid difference over the 2 or 3 similarly spec'd Huawei's.

Plus you at 6.41" you need giant man hands to use it properly.

richy987

Before the OnePlus 6T I used to own a OnePlus 2, which has a 5,5 inch display opposed to the 6,4 inch of the 6T, but you know what: it has the exact same width (okay, 0.1 mm less wide...) but is only 5.7 mm longer, so apparently you had problems with the 2 too, I presume?

I for one think it's amazing you have so much more screen estate for a phone with almost the same dimensions!

Voyna i Mor Silver badge

Blackberry Hub services too thirsty?

On my Sony the entire thing uses less battery than just gmail, which I very soon disabled.

David Nash Silver badge
Facepalm

that and the space vacated by the headphone jack are put to good use

Not as good as using it for a headphone jack would have been.

Voyna i Mor Silver badge

Re: that and the space vacated by the headphone jack are put to good use

Sharp just announced a new model. It looks a bit odd - a top and bottom notch - but it is smaller than the current Sony Compact, has a 5.2 inch 120Hz IZGO screen, an 845, a 3.5mm jack, an SD slot, and is IP68 rated. It also has a sensible plastic back.

Apprently it won't be sold outside Japan which is simply annoying, I don't care what it looks like, but if they can do it why not others?

Ben Rose
Megaphone

Past meets future

I bought one of these on launch day, my 3T was due an upgrade anyway.

The headphone thing is obviously subjective but I don't see the big problem here, just another thing for people to moan about. There's an adapter in the box, plug your old headphones in if you need to. If you're out and about you don't need the USB-C port for charging and if you're at home you don't need to use your headphones for music. People argue about the quality being less over bluetooth but if you really care about audio quality you wouldn't be using the headphone jack in a phone anyway...you'd have a proper high end music player.

Moving on, the biggest battery ever is truly superb and, despite being a heavy phone user, it just runs and runs - helped massively by Android Pie optimisation.

Talking of which, BlackBerry devices don't run on Android Pie yet and has a big history of being utterly useless on Android OS newer than their own - I had a problem with Nougat for ages until they release KeyOne. This is far more likely a BlackBerry/Pie issue than anything to do with Oneplus.

When the battery does run down, the Fast Charging (can't call it Dash now...Amazon copyright) easily gives you a day's charge in half an hour. I've only charged mine when I'm in the shower so far and it never needs any more than that.

Screen based fingerprint sensor is slower than 3T but face unlock is instant so I don't care - fingerprint plenty quick enough for banking apps etc and its relocation has made the screen real estate much more useful.

Camera isn't as good as other phones that cost £££s more, no surprise. It is however massively better than the 3T and now takes decent photos at night along with being good at close ups.

All in, a great purchase - another guy in my office has already bought one and I'm going to buy a second for my wife.

Timmy B Silver badge

Re: Past meets future

Cheers, Ben.

I went 3 to 5T so I'm 6 months behind you. I simply can't fault OP for their phones.

tiggity Silver badge

Re: Past meets future

Dont think you know all use case.. other half uses headphones to listen to phone while charging -in bed. They are insomniac (I am not!) and so use headphones to stop sound waking me (as right choice of music can help them get back to sleep). Given use of music to sleep, then phones without charging (i.e. the crappy adapter) would be useless as if OH falls to sleep while music listening then phone will lose charge.

.. Also advantage is standard headphones as cheap as chips, so if get damaged by in bed sleep movement, cheap to replace.

A weird use case. not typical (though you will find a good number of insomniacs use relaxing sound methods to try and aid sleep), but shows you cannot base everything on your own use case only..

CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

Re: Past meets future

I was going to go for a OP6 but got put off by the price (I had a OP3 before). I ended up getting an Honor 10 - I use Nova Launcher so don't really care about the look and feel of EMUI.

The one thing that does bug me about the H10 is that it keeps popping up notification about the Huawei Cloud. The date I get an account there[1] is about the same as the heat-death of the universe..

[1] Needing an account on one mass-intrusive entity (Google) is bad enough. If the iPhones were more reasonable in price for a new-ish one I'd go back to Apple.

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