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UK Home Office admits £200m Emergency Services Network savings 'delayed'
The fine minds behind Britain's bungled Emergency Services Network comms system have admitted that its projected £200m savings might not kick in until 2020. Ambulance UK.gov won't Airwave bye for another 3 years, plans to phase in ESN services READ MORE Adding to the multibillion-pound project's woes, Bryan Clark, ESN …
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Thursday 18th October 2018 12:51 GMT Anonymous Coward
Not unexpected
I worked on a portion of this a couple of years ago. It's the age old tale of crusty old companies trying to enlarge their size of the pie, crap technology and overbearing bureaucracy. TBF when the Home Office are the most sensible and pragmatic bit you know you've got a problem.
Worst thing is I worked on something I was proud of and spent an entire year on which is this current story is correct will not be used for a couple of years. That'll be 4 years then since I built it, at which point it'll likely need to be reengineered. Waste of time and taxpayer money.
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Thursday 18th October 2018 15:02 GMT Commswonk
Re: Not unexpected
"Not unexpected"... since IIRC the contract was placed without a firm specification in place and without the technology (mainly but not exclusively software) not existing either. AFAIK there has not even been a public or semi - public proof of concept demonstration yet; had there been I am certain that we would have heard it trumpeted from the heavens.
Given there has been no hint of EE finding itself penalised for the accumulated delays it seems fair to assume that there are no milestones in the contract that had to be reached by specified deadlines.
At the end of all this (if there ever is an end) I can all too easily envisage the much - claimed savings never actually materialising, particularly given the eye - watering sums being charged to extend Airwave in the meantime.
My worst fear (OK it isn't really as I am retired) is that the emergency services will be forced to adopt a shoddy system that doesn't really meet their requirements while at the same time saving nothing. Given that the choice is between that and the Home Office & senior politicians having to admit that they goofed mightily which seems the more likely?
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Tuesday 23rd October 2018 10:54 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Not unexpected
"My worst fear (OK it isn't really as I am retired) is that the emergency services will be forced to adopt a shoddy system that doesn't really meet their requirements"
If I was past retirement age, I would be fearful of the ambulance service having to rely on a shoddy comms system.
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Thursday 18th October 2018 18:41 GMT Mark 110
Well said. The run rate on projects like this is eye watering. Its for a 6 month project over-run to blow the potential savings 20 years down the road.
Just thinking . . . do we have an example of a big governent technology project thats actually delivered to time and budget (and yes I realise that's more a problem of politicians (and the Capita, IBM, Atos, etc salespeople) making promises they hadn't checked with the techies than the techies failing to do a good job)?
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Friday 19th October 2018 06:25 GMT Hubert Thrunge Jr.
Omnishambles
Whichever way you look at it, it's a shambles.
Motorola WHOLLY own Airwave, and paid just over £800M for the network and all of its contracts.
Had the Home Office had some people with a bit of common sense they would have bought Airwave and then they'd have however many years they would have liked for ~£800M not three for £1.1Bn
As for the project, it's what happens when you want the moon on a stick, where the seed for the tree hasn't even been planted yet!
It'll be ready in 2023, maybe. Maybe not.
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Friday 19th October 2018 11:57 GMT Peter2
Re: Omnishambles
That's one option.
The other option would be to go to the Army purchasing bods and ask how much it would cost for the police, ambulance & fire service to adopt the new(ish) Bowman radios the Army has.
Tada, problem solved. Military spec encryption voice & data comms that's proven to work in Afghanistan which is more devoid of comms infrastructure than the shires are for less than the cost of extending airwave.
You can use COTS devices (ie smartphones) between the
APCpolice car and the end user and it comes ready built with a suite of battlefield management tools suitable for senior management to see where theirtanks and infantrypolice cars and ambulances are and provides easy ways of integrating the police helicopters with the police cars, since the army has already solved the problem.It also massively increases the number of deployed users which helps with economies of scale when buying the devices for the end users. It requires very little in the way of development since it already actually works and has been deployed and the only requirements would be to make sure that the services are on their own channels and not capable of accidentally ordering airstrikes. And perhaps changing terminology in the "Battlefield management system" UI's to be a bit less military orientated.
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Friday 19th October 2018 12:09 GMT Commswonk
Re: Omnishambles
Had the Home Office had some people with a bit of common sense they would have bought Airwave and then they'd have however many years they would have liked for ~£800M not three for £1.1Bn
Part of me wants to agree with you, but your conclusion appears to need (at least) two assumptions to be true, which they aren't.
Firstly, buying Airwave means taking over the ownership of the base stations and the Switched Management Infrastructure (SwMI) that controls them. Such a purchase would not include the network connections (Ground Based Network) that joins them all together. Those circuits are leased from circuit providers (e.g. BT) so continuing use of the overall system would require ongoing line leasing costs.
Secondly, neither the base sites nor the SwMI look after themselves; they need people (quite a few of them!) who can attend a site in the event of any problem that cannot be sorted out remotely, including replacement of equipment that has gone faulty and requires repair on a bench somewhere. The response time required in the event of a fault that has taken a site (or part therof) out of service is fairly short (hours not days or weeks) and all those people are a recurring cost that has to be met if the service is to continue.
Much as we might wish it to be true, it is simply wrong to assume that there would be a cost saving of "system lease cost" minus "purchase price" there for the taking, because sadly there isn't.
I am not trying to defend the charges that Motorola will present to the Home Office (or more correctly us taxpayers); all I am saying is that your underlying assumptions are untrue and thus your idea, as it stands, doesn't work.
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