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Windows 95 roars once more in the Microsoft round-up

Phil Kingston Silver badge

I've still got the Windows 95 startup sound as my ringtone. #95foreva

Jude Bradley

Anything sounds better than that awful Windows ME startup sound.

Jack of Shadows Silver badge

Floppy Disk Support?

I don't need it. All my Win'95 games just need a HDD/CD image and I'm good. It'll be interesting though to see what still works from my archives of the CompuServe Windows forum. Time for a trip to the secure storage!

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Windows 95?

So it's an upgrade from Windows 10 then.

aregross
Angel

Re: Windows 95?

It hasta be... there's 85 more of them!

Michael H.F. Wilkinson Silver badge
Coat

Re: Windows 95?

I just can't wait for a port of the Millennium Edition ...

Runs for cover

RyokuMas Silver badge
Coat

Re: Windows 95?

Probably a plot by Google/Facebook attempting to divert all the negative attention they've been getting of late by re-igniting hatred for Microsoft among those in the technical arena...

... I'll get me coat - it's the one with the tinfoil hat in one pocket and the trollface mask in the other

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: Windows 95?

You better run! we dont mention the Mil******** Edition

Doctor Syntax Silver badge

Re: Windows 95?

"So it's an upgrade from Windows 10 then."

It's certainly a lesson in what a GUI should look like.

Korev Silver badge
Joke

Re: Windows 95?

>I just can't wait for a port of the Millennium Edition ...

This post is all about ME, ME, ME....

MyffyW Silver badge

Re: Windows 95?

This was a bitter disappointment of an operating system that took us nowhere - pretty start screen notwithstanding - so it's entirely appropriate that it's been wrapped up as an app.

Doctor Syntax Silver badge

Re: Windows 95?

"This was a bitter disappointment of an operating system that took us nowhere"

You have to look at context. The underpinnings were still MSDOS. I'd been using W3 with HP New Era on top of it and that was a distinct improvement, introducing a good few bits of what we now take for granted in GUI which weren't there before. A lot of that seems to have been incorporated into W95 but the scatter of files which held it together were rolled into the Registry. It also introduced some elements of HP VUE which became CDE but its single cascading menu was, in my view, a step in advance of that.

Its weakness, however, was that it didn't have anything Unix-like under it, nor even VMS-like along the lines of NT. This is maybe not too surprising given the minimal H/W requirement.

I think it's fair to say that the Registry is a confused and confusing structure. OTOH the Open Desktop stuff underlying the various Unix-like desktops follows on from the New-Era style of multiple files even more widely scattered through the file system.

bombastic bob Silver badge
Devil

Re: Windows 95?

the purpose of the '95 app (as I see it) is to remind everyone what computing *SHOULD* *BE* *LIKE*

(Now I might wanna ask the author to put some effort into projects like Wine and ReactOS)

Michael Wojcik Silver badge

Re: Windows 95?

I just can't wait for a port of the Millennium Edition ...

Hey, that piece of junk will make .5 past lightspeed.

Boris the Cockroach Silver badge
Devil

Re: Windows 95?

Does it contain the authethic .dll hell where you can overwrite any .dll file with anything else until your system dies a horrible death...

And that STILL an improvement on win10

Elmer Phud Silver badge

GSOD

Green Screen Of Death - sounds like an enhancement to me

Stuart Castle

Re: GSOD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa_gZ_7sdZg

JimHam

Excellent!.....

.....now where are my Monkey Island and Leisure Suit Larry discs.......

Teiwaz Silver badge

Re: Excellent!.....

.....now where are my Monkey Island and Leisure Suit Larry discs.......

I think you could play most of those already with ScummVM (later Monkey Island games didn't use Scumm system though).

0laf Silver badge
Linux

W95 probably still does 90% of what most users need and on a footprint hundreds of times smaller than a smartphone OS.I don't remember it taking too long to load up on my P1 200MHz with a it's 20Gb HD (or was that 2Gb I can't remember). It might still be up in my parents attic complete with voodoo 1 add on card although it'll be running 98SE.

Themehospital FTW.

bpfh

Methinks...

That most of my applications will run on NT 4.0... though the lack of built in USB support is a nutache. Cut down Windows 2000 server anyone? 24 meg memory footprint running on a recycled P3 450, adding MySQL, Apache and PHP brought that to 48 meg... and ran part of Kodak France's photo developement tracking systems for more than 2 years. Built and delivered in 2006 on zero budget... I still don't know if I should be proud or ashamed...

MacroRodent Silver badge
Windows

200Mhz

> P1 200MHz

I'm not sure such things even existed. My first Pentium was 75Mhz (and did run Windows 95 just fine). I think I have seen a 166Mhz Pentium MMX, but nothing higher than that from Intel, until Pentium II came along.

DJV Silver badge

@MacroRodent

Apparently, Intel produced Pentium 1 devices all the way up to 300MHz.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P5_(microarchitecture)#Tillamook

I built a PC many years ago (probably around 1998) that had a 200MHz Pentium MMX in it.

AJ MacLeod

Re: 200Mhz

They definitely did (presumably, do) exist. My Pentium PC was only a 166 though, and not even MMX. Still staggers me to think it cost £1,645 (32MB RAM, with 17" monitor.)

Its install of Windows 95 (the first version, not OSR2) lasted two years before finally grinding to a complete non-booting halt, when it was replaced by Linux - never looked back since!

adam payne Silver badge

Re: 200Mhz

I built PCs using the original Pentium chips up to 233MHz but after that the Pentium II seemed to take over.

Of course AMD K6 came out around about that time so I built a hell of a lot of those as well. As well as the old faithful Cyrix 6x86 series.

Doctor Syntax Silver badge

Re: 200Mhz

"As well as the old faithful Cyrix 6x86 series."

Cyrix Instead.

0laf Silver badge
Gimp

Re: 200Mhz

It was a P1 200MHz MMX (an upgrade over the 166) with 16Mb ram (up from 8) and with a 15" crt (upgraded over the standard 14"). Bought from Simply Computers as did a few of my mates. I think it was about £1200 inc an epson inject.

I remember the company being great to deal with and when I fecked it up within a few days I phoned up and spoke to a bloke who knew exactly what to do. No helldesk no tickets no email. I probably spoke to the bloke the screwed it together.

Happy days.

Kubla Cant
Angel

20Gb disk? I'm sure Gigabyes were such stuff as dreams are made on in 1995.

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: 200Mhz

>Cyrix 6x86 series

Remember the MBoards for Cyrix that were floating about that had fake cache chips ?

0laf Silver badge

Must have been 2Gb. My mate was well jel. He had a 166MHz with a 1.2Gb drive. My beast could play the Weezer music video, his couldn't.

Daniel von Asmuth Bronze badge
Windows

Windows '95 = cybercrime

"W95 probably still does 90% of what most users need"

90 % of users don't need a computer, but they need food & drink, clothing, shelter, transportation, heating & lighting, health care, protection from evil (put them in prison), forgiveness for their sins & salvation for their souls, entertainment, education, but love they need most.

You could use Windows '95 for heating; what else? Mostly it crashes regularlty, thereby losing your unsaved files. It has no security whatsoever. it promotes the spreading of virii and other malware. If you need software for it, go looking for the old MS-DOS shareware archives. Furthermore it costs a lot in licensing fees, but your money goes to the Bill & Linda Gates Foundation, which people believe does good things. Then it's mouse causes RSI. On a good day, Windows PCs just waste hours of productivity. Windows '95 does what only Wall Street investors seem to need.

23 Years old? Is that too late to sue for the damage of WIndows '95 to the people and the economy?

bombastic bob Silver badge
Facepalm

Re: Windows '95 = cybercrime

yes but here's what '95 does NOT have:

a) spyware and adware built-in

b) 2D FLATSO FLUGLY UI

c) a 'start thing' with "the Metro" style PANELS in it

d) touch-friendly aka user-hostile spaces between everything

e) bright blue on bright white, destroys your eyesight

f) FORCED UPDATES that take for-freaking-EVAR and dominate your bandwidth, lock you out of using the machine on its own schedule, yotta yotta [and might not work after updating]

and so on

I'll take '95 thanks.

(icon because facepalm)

Michael Wojcik Silver badge

Re: 200Mhz

It was a P1 200MHz MMX (an upgrade over the 166)

I have a dual P1 MMX system down in the basement. Don't remember if they're 200 MHz or 166. Haven't powered it up in a dozen or more years; it probably wouldn't come up, now, and I doubt I have a compatible monitor or keyboard.

Destined for the next run to the electronics recycling place, I'm afraid. (I kept thinking I'd reuse the cabinet, but at this point that's clearly wishful thinking. Ditto the fine 1989-vintage AS/400 B-series cabinet I have.)

LewisRage

"No forced updates"

Because that went so well with XP right?

MacroRodent Silver badge
Windows

Win95 license?

What I don't get is how he can include the entire Windows 95 with the app. Has MS made it freeware while I was not looking? (Browsing the Github site did not provide an answer).

Korev Silver badge
Thumb Up

Re: Win95 license?

I was wondering the same

Doctor Syntax Silver badge

Re: Win95 license?

"What I don't get is how he can include the entire Windows 95 with the app."

I get the impression he just hopes they don't care.

mythicalduck
WTF?

Encrypted Skype?

Wasn't Skype originally encrypted anyway when it uses peer-to-peer networking? Does that mean they removed it?

Glad I don't use it any more

Sixtysix
Black Helicopters

Re: Encrypted Skype?

Yes, it appears they did...

And given where their home office resides, I'm suspicious of the claims of end to end given the way certain TLAs like to eavesdrop.

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: Encrypted Skype?

yeah... NSA couldn't handle not listening in. Put out a bid to crack.

Microsoft accepted, absorbed the software and infected it with back doors.

Had a good laugh a few years back. Upper management forced the issue to have Skype inside the network.

...Then a ransomware attack came in. Guess what our IDS told us???

tim 13

Re: Encrypted Skype?

Iain Duncan Smith?

Potemkine! Silver badge

Win95 roars?

Don't worry, it shouldn't last long.

What's the point, trying to break the BSOD World Record?

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Love Skype...

and the 15 pages of exceptions I have to put into my firewall to avoid my Websense Proxy from sniffing the trafffic and crashing the experience.

There is nothing like "Drop everything and come fix this software for us so we can have a meeting" only to find out you have to exempt every ip address Microsoft owns. This is also a benefit if you are using "Office 365" because it uses the same ignored ips....

What a concept... Lets get email, office documents, etc. coming into the Corporate network without the sticky entanglement of virus/malware protection.

Thanks Microsoft!

MVS
Mushroom

BSOD - Bill got some

I was at a Windows World conference in Chicago (96 maybe) and was there when B.G. was proudly demonstrating this new technology called USB; it blue-screened. I suspect some engineers were fired. It was a moment in time, though I was only amused, not gleeful. He probably should have rebooted first.

Luiz Abdala
Go

I remember...

A friend of mine had a game rental store (cartridges for Genesis and SNES back then) running a Windows 3.11 app in a then several-orders-of-magnitude faster Pentium 4 hardware than the 3.11 had ever required.

It ran on bare metal, no emulation or virtual machine here. And it was FAST.

It was so fast, in fact, that it could freeze in your face, and he could hit the reset button and finish your order before you could complain it had frozen.

It was not FAIL-SAFE. It was FAIL-EXPECTED. It WOULD crash, but it could recover in 15 seconds, I kid you not.

Some lesson can be taken from here... it can fail, as long it doesn't take long to recover. Either this, or you design it not to fail for long periods of time...

The guy running a Windows 95 (which we loved) over a MacOS (that is nearly failproof) is a god damn GENIUS.

JLV Silver badge
Boffin

and how was that Win 95 ported?

https://github.com/copy/v86/blob/master/Readme.md

check out the underlying language for the LOLs. Rodney Dangerfield.

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