/blows raspberries
No, seriously, why are you holding your phone like that?
I don't like to do it sideways. I won't do it at any fancy angle. Call me conventional but what can I say? I'm a straight-talking kind of guy. How hard does it have to be to get a firm grip on it… and hold it against the side of your face? Oh right. Put that yoga manual down, you might have misunderstood my meaning. I was …
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Friday 13th July 2018 08:45 GMT wurdsmiff
Talk like an Egyptian
I noticed on a recent trip to Egypt that whenever anyone answered a call on their Nokia feature phone, they invariably listened and spoke with the buttons outwards. Having experienced more than one dropped call or embarrassing mid-conversation tone from face-pressing, I though that was actually a pretty good idea.
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Friday 13th July 2018 11:01 GMT getHandle
Re: Talk like an Egyptian
Most smart phones have proximity sensors that disable the screen when it's held close to your head.
It's the people who are left-handed but right-eared, or vice versa, that I feel sorry for - having to hold your phone awkwardly with your arm across your body looks most uncomfortable!
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Friday 13th July 2018 11:36 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Talk like an Egyptian
They hold them like that because that's how the promotional pictures in the adverts show people holding them when selling those stupid edge to edge displays that look all star trek but are utterly useless in real world use...
I'm glad to see some manufacturers aren't so stupid as to just try and follow the edge to edge notch dad and still actually bother to test real world usability.
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Friday 13th July 2018 15:01 GMT GIRZiM
Re: Talk like an Egyptian
It's the people who are left-handed but right-eared, or vice versa, that I feel sorry for - having to hold your phone awkwardly with your arm across your body looks most uncomfortable!
Neurologically, men generally have a preference for their left ear, whichever hand they favour.
I certainly do and although I'm (principally, I'm mildly 'ambidextrous') right-handed, I hold my phone to my left ear with my left hand as a result. I do this because, not only is it easier but, if I want to use my right hand to operate my phone (which I do, because I'm principally right handed), it makes more sense to hold it with my left hand, freeing up my right hand for the necessary fine control required to ensure I don't hit the wrong things with my (relatively clumsy) left hand. What kind of simpleton does it the other way?
Besides, actually I don't even do that but wear an earpiece. Anyone not using a headset/earpiece with a smartphone should just get a phone as dumb as themselves. Seriously, what kind of idiot spends their time trying to copy information on their phone whilst saying "Hang on, I've go to take my phone away from my ear and can't hear you. What? No, I said hang on I can't hear you while I do this. What? No, I didn't hear that bit, you'll have to repeat it. No, wait, not so fast, I can't type that quickly. What?"
As for those who do it all on speakerphone, well, it's up to them whether they want me to hear the details of their STD/STI test results, isn't it?
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Saturday 14th July 2018 00:12 GMT the Jim bloke
Back in the day..
before all this automation and on-board processing malarkey, mine surveying used to involve a person at a fixed point throwing a laser beam at a person at the work location - who would bounce it back, and by various arcane mathematic and mechanical rituals, useful information would be derived. As the fixed point and work location could be up to a kilometer or even more apart, a 2-way radio ("walky-talky" for people who like to talk like children) was an essential part of the kit.
All the 'laser' controls were set up for right handed control, on the other end the laser-bouncy stuff pretty much required being managed by your dominant hand - so the 2-way was held in the left.
Which is why I talk left-handed.
....I want a derail/off-topic icon...
......is it even possible to go off-topic from Dabbsy comments ?
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Saturday 14th July 2018 06:21 GMT Danny 14
Re: Back in the day..
i have used the button up method ONLY when im navigating call center stuff. As soon as i hold the phone vertically my phone goes into screen off and ill be damned if i can get the keypad back without terminating the call. I seem to find that the phone decides to bring the screen back wholey dependent on length of time in the queue. 5 mins? yup, screen keypad will return. 40 mins? nope, phone needs just ANY excuse to drop the call.
to be safe i use phone flat method and it seems to keep the bugger at bay.
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Friday 13th July 2018 16:25 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Damn
1. That was clearly a funny joke, ya know intended and succeeding at humour.
2. The article was about phones, it mentioned smart meters but it was not the point of the article or the joke.
3. Smart meters are simply not the same thing as Facebook, Google, apple, Microsoft and all the other data slurping services you use without a second thought. Smart meters are actually needed to support new technology such and electric cars, energy storage and micro generation to ensure secure uninterrupted supply in the future. People who think their energy supplier can only want to known about their energy usage for marketing purposes demonstrate massive technological illiteracy. It's ok if you don't understand the challenges to modern national energy infrastructure but don't pretend you own weird paranoia is an informed opinion.
BTW I work in the UK energy sector and a big part of my job for the last couple of years was testing the security of the meters to ensure only authorised users could access the specific data they are allowed, infact legislation was passed to define all this and protect consumers. No matter how highly all the smart meter skeptics think of themselves they are not the first people to think 'hey maybe this new system needs to be secure and protect customer's private data'.
If you're now thinking 'fine we need it but why do I have to have one' then imagine what ancient tribes used to do the caveman who said 'fine we need firewood but why do I have to get it', it probably involved a flaming pointy stick... do you get why they were mandatory in France now? Literally no one else thinks you should get special treatment, you want to use the national grid then you got to follow the rules, or build you own generator, up to you...
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Friday 13th July 2018 18:04 GMT HieronymusBloggs
Re: Damn
"testing the security of the meters to ensure only authorised users could access the specific data they are allowed, infact legislation was passed to define all this and protect consumers"
I suspect it isn't merely ignorance that drives the scepticism, but many years of experience of other "secure" systems. If this is truly secure it would be a first.
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Friday 13th July 2018 19:54 GMT veti
Re: Damn
I'm sure the smart meters can be hacked, if someone with sufficient resources gets sufficient motivation to do it.
But the resources would need to be high, because the security is pretty good. And it's not clear what the motivation would be, because the information or other benefits they could gain are just not very interesting. Seriously, who do you imagine is willing to spend weeks of their time on finding out whether you get up at 6:00 or 6:30?
Bad actors have many more tempting targets, that are both less secure and more profitable.
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Saturday 14th July 2018 09:08 GMT Richard 12
Smart Meters are a tempting target
Because if you can get control, you can take down a country.
Imagine what would happen if an evil actor turned off all the power to 10,000 homes and businesses simultaneously.
Then back on a few minutes later.
And yes, this is one of the features of both SMETS1 and SMETS2.
Aside from that, I change energy supplier almost every year.
SMETS1 meters cannot change supplier, so if I had one of those it'd be useless the next year.
And none of the companies publish whether they would fit SMETS1 or SMETS2.
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Saturday 14th July 2018 09:42 GMT Timbo
Re: Smart Meters are a tempting target
"SMETS1 meters cannot change supplier, so if I had one of those it'd be useless the next year.
And none of the companies publish whether they would fit SMETS1 or SMETS2."
So, is this why energy firms are SO keen to force smart meters onto UK consumers...because it actually locks you into a supplier?
What happens to the old meters? Landfill or do they get re-used elsewhere.
And what about changing suppliers? Can this only happen after the previous energy suppliers meter is removed?
I'm going to stay clear of these so called "useful" devices as I can gauge all my energy requirements already...as they are only switched ON when *I* decide I need to use an appliance!!
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Saturday 14th July 2018 21:31 GMT Terry 6
Re: Smart Meters are a tempting target
Timbo
We took a Smart meter - because my wife didn't want to keep sending in meter readings. But the bastards fitted one that only read the electricity - said they couldn't supply one that read the gas meter. . So eventually they had to come around and replace that.
By which time we were looking at changing suppliers. The new suppliers can't read from it, So our shiny new meter has been turned into a dumb meter. Or at least the reading display no longer works. And apart from having to look in the-cupboard-under-the-stairs it makes not the blindest bit of difference.
The idea, was, I think, that we'd use less fuel. But it won't because it doesn't give an appliance by appliance, or even room reading. So we can't just look and see where we're using too much. - if we were.
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Monday 16th July 2018 14:14 GMT Prst. V.Jeltz
Re: Smart Meters are a tempting target
"The idea, was, I think, that we'd use less fuel. But it won't because it doesn't give an appliance by appliance, or even room reading"
How would it be able to do that? its not magic.
if you want to know how much an appliance uses look at the reading - turn the appliance on - look at the reading again
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Monday 16th July 2018 06:57 GMT Richard 12
@kanpreacher
Yes, that's what I said.
Next year the "smart" meter will be useless, as it'll be worse than the existing dumb meters.
The effect of having one installed would be:
1) Increase my actual energy consumption by a mean of 5 Watts - 35kWh/year, or £5.60
(1W for gas, 4W for electric)
2) Make it much harder for me to take readings, as the UI on "smart" meters is universally horrific.
3) Overcharge me for the energy I'm using, as these meters are far less accurate for discontinuous loads like SMPS, VFDs and LED lighting - about 70% of my electric load.
4) More landfill, as the SMETS1 meters will "probably" need to be replaced before the end of their lifetime.
5) More landfill, as these meters do not physically last as long.
That's all assuming they actually work to spec.
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Monday 16th July 2018 01:03 GMT cyberdemon
(deliberately?) stupid meters
Apart from the reasons discussed already (1: being switched off remotely, either for "load-shaping" by your supplier, or "cyberattack" by anyone else.. 2: having my data slurped and sold to any and all interested parties 3: being locked into a particular supplier 4: being made to pay a variable rate depending on the suppliers's ability to supply...)
The other reason I hate smart meters, and would never consensually have one installed, is that I don't trust them to read accurately.
The old electromagnetic meters read "true RMS" by virtue of a magnetic force acting on a spinning disc -the moment of inertia of the disc will ultimately average out any transients.
Smart Meters on the other hand, are purely electronic, and don't necessarily read True RMS (because they employ discrete sampling).
There was a huge fiasco last year with Smart Meters over-reading. I don't know how much of it has been fixed now, and which meters are OK..
They would sample only at the peak of the mains voltage sine-wave. This is a problem for any device whose front-end component is a bridge rectifier (this includes most LED lights, most laptop power supplies, and cheaper desktop power supplies without PFC).
Current only flows through the diode bridge when the mains voltage is higher than the DC capacitor voltage, and that only happens at the peak of the mains waveform. But the "smart" meter would sample the peak current, and assume that it was sinusoidal and in-phase with the voltage. But in reality, the current at everywhere else but the sampling point, is near zero.
Thus, smart meters would over-read by several times for LED lighting in particular.
see: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/06/smart_meters_prove_dim/
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Monday 16th July 2018 19:20 GMT Michael Wojcik
Re: Damn
'm sure the smart meters can be hacked, if someone with sufficient resources gets sufficient motivation to do it.
But the resources would need to be high, because the security is pretty good.
In a word: bullshit. Or see here. Or here.
Bad actors have many more tempting targets, that are both less secure and more profitable.
Smart meter security has historically been pretty poor, and there are strong incentives to attack them, which only get stronger the more they're deployed.
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Sunday 15th July 2018 11:20 GMT Doctor Syntax
Re: Damn
I suspect it isn't merely ignorance that drives the scepticism, but many years of experience of other "secure" systems.
And rather fewer, but still too many, years of other experience of other slurping systems which leads to the conviction that at the innocuous end of things it will lead to marketing. But that's just the innocuous aspect.
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Friday 13th July 2018 21:55 GMT 9Rune5
Re: Damn
People who think their energy supplier can only want to known about their energy usage for marketing purposes demonstrate massive technological illiteracy.
Which reminds me of a former colleague who faces a £1000 bill because the smart meter kit is too big for his enclosure.
So now he is trying to push his doctor to diagnose him as sensitive to electricity and radio waves... As that is obviously cheaper than embiggening what needs to be expanded.
Smart meters are all fine and dandy until you look into the economics. Better to go all nukes and push down the price of energy.
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Saturday 14th July 2018 14:40 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Damn(ed if I do & Damned if I don't)
Dear "I work in the UK energy sector",
Now that you have sorted out the security issues of your meters there is 1 more problem you need to solve !!!
The mobile network is not as ubiquitous as you & I need, therefore many people who would be more than happy to have a 'Smart Meter' cannot have this wonderful secure piece of tech, this includes me.
Maybe the Energy Companies could encourage the Mobile providers to install a few more cells where people live and their energy is used or we will end up reading the (not so) Smart Meters to send in the data the 'old fashioned' way !!!
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Monday 16th July 2018 07:55 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Damn(ed if I do & Damned if I don't)
"there is 1 more problem you need to solve !!! The mobile network is not as ubiquitous as you & I need"
A friend had a smart meter fitted "in" their flat last year. The meter enclosure is in an "out-house" style brick enclosure attached to the ground floor of the building, with a separate full-size wooden access door. Their flat is on the first floor (i.e. 1 storey up), directly above the meter enclosure. The wireless receiver they were given, which tells you how much electricity you're using, doesn't work. Reason, according to the supplier? It's too far away from the meter!
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Monday 16th July 2018 02:17 GMT eldakka
Re: Damn
> was testing the security of the meters to ensure only authorised users could access the specific data they are allowed, infact legislation was passed to define all this and protect consumers.
And that legislation is merely so much toilet paper to the security services and local councils trying to find out who it is not cleaning up their dogs poop when they take them for a walk. As they are all authorised users. Most 'authorised users' system authorise users, not uses of systems, therefore the cop who's authorised to use the system could look up info on their sisters best friends 3rd cousin's turd boyfriend to see what he's up to.
Oh, and when was the last time a hacker actually bothered to read the legislation, let alone get authorisation, first?
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Friday 13th July 2018 08:51 GMT Anonymous Coward
I have had many phones - I find the iPhone 6 (and presumably 6s) to be hopeless for making calls - can't get the ear piece loud enough without holding the phone in the dumb manner shown. As far as I remember it's the only phone I've had to do this with - never had an iPhone 7, 8 or X so dunno about them.
My Sonys, Samsung, HTC, one+, Moto and iPhone 3 never had this issue. Does this weird habit date back to some unfathomable design choice from Cupertino some years back?