UK taxman warned it's running out of time to deliver working customs IT system by Brexit Plans to implement a new customs system for Brexit are still fraught with risk and the taxman has yet to fully engage with users and traders who rely on them, the UK's spending watchdog has said. Amid growing concerns that the government's systems are not ready to cope with the extra pressures Brexit will bring, the National …
"Rees-Mogg has explained that after Brexit there will be no need for customs checks.
As he and other Leaver campaigner leaders like Nigel Lawson have moved their business interests or homes to other EU countries. Nigel Farage denies applying for a German passport - he has just made sure his children have them as well as their English ones.
SWMBO, children and grandchildren are entitled to claim Irish citizenship. Even my cockney BiL is. I'm not.
If you're married to an Irish citizen, and living in Ireland, for at least 3 years you can request it. Seems a reasonable criterion to get citizenship of a country.
Rees-Mogg has explained that after Brexit there will be no need for customs checks
I've never quite understood that (or anything he says, to be honest)
Surely the whole point of Brexit was to 'take back control' of our borders? How do you do that without customs checks?
Is it that I am a bear of very little brain and don't really understand these complicated things, or is Rees-Mogg simply a mendacious idiot?
We will control our borders by not controlling them.
If a country bordering the UK controls their borders, they are terrible people and they're doing it to get at us.
Let's pretend we've never heard of WTO rules stating that if two countries don't have a customs agreement then they must run ports of entry.
I think what he meant is that for the import side, we can charge whatever tarriff we want, so if we have no tarrifs then we have no processing of imports to do. Exports are really the responsibility of the receiving country so again no need for the UK to do anything.
This would be to ignore export controls we might enforce on weapons etc, that would still need handling, although there might not need to be much or any chnage here. It would also suggest that people can bring in rabid animals, nuclear material, drugs and so....
@lyndon Hills 1
What he meant is "I haven't a fucking clue what I'm talking about but it should sound good for brexiters desperate for this problem to go away'
Quite simply, if we dont implement some form of border control then someone else will as if we dont it we could be shipping any form of shit in and out. This will take the form of "not trading with us with anything other than humanitarian aid".
@Lyndon Hills 1
I think what he meant is that for the import side, we can charge whatever tarriff we want, so if we have no tarrifs then we have no processing of imports to do. Exports are really the responsibility of the receiving country so again no need for the UK to do anything.
It's not as simple as that (although the Quitlings don't seem to be able to think beyond stage 1)
No controls on imports also means no checks on standards. Electrically unsafe goods being imported? Poisonous toys? Dodgy Yankee food? Okay, that may be acceptable (erm, actually, no). But those items could then be exported with a 'Made in Great England' sticker - and the EU won't be happy to receive those. What were they saying about common standards?
"Rees-Mogg simply a mendacious idiot?" --- Pen-y-Gors
He's a friend of a friend. He's certainly not an idiot. But I think he has wholeheartedly embraced the zeitgeist, where airily authoritative statements can be made not only without justification but in direct contradiction to easily checked facts.
'...Is it that I am a bear of very little brain and don't really understand these complicated things, or is Rees-Mogg simply a mendacious idiot?'
Might be useful to remember that customs checks and customs declarations are not the same thing.
We only perform checks on about 2% of imports - which I think includes the mandatory checks on all livestock.
CHEIF looks to be an olde world messaging system with mainframe database so boosting it's performance to the required levels should actually be quite straightforward. Which probably means they'll try to rush CDS instead...
"CHEIF looks to be an olde world messaging system with mainframe database so boosting it's performance to the required levels should actually be quite straightforward."
Quite, but the mainframe and olde world messaging systems vendors are going to squeeze HMRC for everything they're worth.
In addition to the core platform there's also a rather large number of reporting and workflow solutions that sit around it that'll need to be adapted to account for:
- Increased number of declaration
- Increased size of declarations
- Increased complexity and variety of declarations
- Massively increased user base (both internal and external) etc. etc.
It's not complicated, but it's a lot of work for a system that was pencilled to be retired early next year.
That's just a wild exaggeration.
In the 1450's* no one did "Grand Tours" as the Black Death was abroad across the land.
The CofE was founded in 1534 and JRM is an ardent Papist. Any later and he would definitely be on Francis Walsinghams Watch List, probably with an associated pre filled out death warrant.
The article covers the role of HMRC in terms of incoming goods, but not much in terms of the seamless bullshit - frictionless border regards exporting goods to the EU.
There has been no software tender for any of this, so make of that what you will. If the rollout of Universal Credit is anything to go by, we're talking years - a decade.
In the meantime, the EU will be crossing all the t's and dotting all the i's, for sure and rightly so, they have EU standards to protect. The Netherlands aren't taking any chances that's for sure.
Theresa May is average intelligence at best, isolated and pretty much clueless. We're heading for a perfect shitstorm.
She'll probably just have a coughing fit, resign and walk, that's the best we can hope for.
There has been no software tender for any of this, so make of that what you will. If the rollout of Universal Credit is anything to go by, we're talking years - a decade.
Meanwhile, in Rotterdam, they're planning dry-run customs controls to test how things would perform after Brexit.
"I don't. He's supposed to represent the country, yet shuffles around looking like a tramp who hasn't had a haircut for months."
That haircut costs him about £28 from Geo. F Trumpers last time I looked at their prices. It's to make him look youthful. Apparently.
Johnson is 54 going on 13. He's still pretending to be the naughty but funny new bug at Eton, presumably because it causes some knickers to fall off.
<i"[...] presumably because it causes some knickers to fall off."
I never perceived Boris as the Alcibiades of Eton - but maybe there are more general political parallels.
A Welsh acquaintance had a "little boy lost" demeanour - a combination that was like a magnet for some women. In his 30s it suddenly stopped working.
Eventually moving your company from Britain to the EU will be as easy a decision as moving flat from Camden to Islington.
Eventually? I thought it was that simple now; or are you suggesting post-Brexit the 'EU' will be offering inducements and relocation support?
Going by recent Gov. IT project failures, overruns. delivery shortfalls and general waste of money chasing the buzzing tinkerbell of agile, bambi or frolicking fauns, not a chance before the deadline.
I predict a return to rampant smuggling, Cornwall tourism and tri-point hats (but only because of the new Poldark).
@Teiwaz - we were just talking about that a couple of days ago, as we walked a scenic section of coast path with ample scope for smugglers alongside the leisure boats of the modern rich. Can't see anyone finding the money to restore Napoleonic-era defences.
Though of course if there's no enforced border in Ireland, the smugglers will have a line of even less resistance to bring Trump's industrial-scale farmers' growth-hormone-filled beef into the EU until road and rail capacity is exhausted.
Well that would require a member of the current government to have both common sense and the minimal intelligence required to see Brexit is a can of festering dog shit and the courage to come out and say so in public.
No, instead we'll just have May lurching from disaster to disaster all of her own making. There is absolutely no chance this will end well for the general populace.
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