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Planet Computing’s Gemini is a middling Android phone integrated with a Psion Series 5-style keyboard and clamshell case. Since our exclusive hands-on with a real production device, I’ve spent a few weeks in its rattly, plasticky company. And I’ve also managed to get Linux installed. So what’s it like? The Gemini, for those …

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  1. Dave 126 Silver badge

    It would seem that Gemini would do well to promote a companion device. This can be done in a few ways. For starters, even those who want/need a Gemini may not want to carry it all the time - so they will still have a conventional smartphone that is more convenient for phone calls and for taking pictures.

    The other way round is to have a device that displays caller ID... smart watches aren't the only option here. Sony make a small device that has a display and call and media controls buttons that operates as a standalone Bluetooth earpiece or, since it has a 3.5mm socket, clips to your shirt and uses a standard wired headset.

    If we abandon the Gemini and thoughts of full mobile Linux, another option would be the snap-on Qwerty keyboard for Motorola Moto Mod phones, but no full reviews of it are available yet. Early hands-on reviews suggest that it is not without flaws - but then said reviewers didn't have time to get used to it as the Reg's reviewer of the Gemini. This type of approach has the benefit of allowing the keyboard and phone to be upgraded / swapped out independently of each other.

    If I were designing a mobile typing experience, I would have a standalone keyboard that works with any phone, and I would use the weight and bulk of a li-ion power bank behind the phone to keep it stable. A bit bulky, sure, but no bulkier than additional batteries are anyway. It would also divorce the screens longest dimension from constraining the length of the keyboard.

    The whole issue of running full Linux on a mobile one is not really technical, but rather getting drivers not blobs out of ODMs.

    1. Paul

      I use a smartwatch which means I don't need to touch my phone to see who's calling, and a collar-style always-on bluetooth headset means I can quickly pop an ear bud to make or receive a call. To make a call I just dab a button on the headset and say "ok google... call Andy Aardvark mobile" and voila! My phone can stay in my pocket. Being able to safely ignore calls discretely during meetings is very handy, especially if it's a recruiter I want to talk to ;-)

  2. }{amis}{
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    Rear Camara

    It seems a bit unfair to rag on this for not having a rear camera when it's a user installable optional extra.

    https://store.planetcom.co.uk/collections/accessories/products/external-camera-add-on

    1. Sloppy Crapmonster

      Re: Rear Camara

      *Camera

      If I have to pay extra to have a rear camera, it's fair to say it doesn't come with a rear camera, isn't it?

  3. Mage Silver badge

    Linux: all the tools are Windows-based.

    Wut?

    Are they mad?

    1. Christian Berger

      Re: Linux: all the tools are Windows-based.

      Well they are essentially tools the chipset manufacturer provides. They do work, though bizarrely not all Windows software can deal with files larger than 4 Gigabytes.

      1. Dave 126 Silver badge

        Re: Linux: all the tools are Windows-based.

        Not all Windows file systems can cope with files over 4GB either... just in case one Penguin's last copy of Windows was pre-NTFS.

        1. Christian Berger

          Re: Linux: all the tools are Windows-based.

          " just in case one Penguin's last copy of Windows was pre-NTFS."

          Even with NTFS the default Windows ZIP archiver cannot deal with files larger than 4 Gigabytes. So I had to unpack it on Linux, shift it over via an NTFS disk and then copy it to the system disk.

          1. Richard 12 Silver badge

            Re: Linux: all the tools are Windows-based.

            Windows Zip handling is bloody awful.

            It's neat that it integrates into Explorer, but it's so incredibly slow as to be unusable for large files, and has really odd limitations as to which file copy operations work.

  4. Tom 7

    What I loved about my Psion5 was that it fitted in my breast pocket

    what I didnt like it was falling out and breaking while pulling trousers up after sitting on the loo! I will be getting the shoulder holster out when I get one of these - after I've finished a couple of dozen things I need to do with my RPis!

    1. Mage Silver badge

      Re: I will be getting the shoulder holster

      may not be a good idea in USA.

      1. keithzg

        Re: I will be getting the shoulder holster

        If anything it's a *better* idea in the States, where people are less surprised to see a holster bulge under a jacket.

        1. d3vy

          Re: I will be getting the shoulder holster

          I was incredibly surprised on a recent trip to the US to see quite a few people still clipping their phones to their belts like its the 90s again... A shoulder holster would certainly not get a second look!

    2. jgarbo
      Coffee/keyboard

      Re: What I loved about my Psion5 was that it fitted in my breast pocket

      Am I missing something? After five broken 5MXs, a friendly Psion Netbook, I bought a Samsung Note. Fits in any pocket. Runs MS Word, which I can write into with the S-pen, turn scribble into usable text (auto spell), edit, send anywhere. Oh, and the phone, cameras and everything else work perfectly. I save Linux for my desktops & laptops, but the Note's perfect for story ideas, notes, lists, drawing maps, etc, ad hoc or on the move (Old style journo). OK, it's only Android, but the Gemini has the same problems of my five MXs - lousy keyboard and poor QC, broken spring hinges and screen ribbons.

  5. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    "Making a call is a tedious process, requiring opening the clamshell to dial the number."

    I think the solution to making a clamshell smartphone is to emulate the old Nokia Communicators and put a basic keypad/display on the outside of the lid.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nokia-9210i-9500-e90.jpg

    1. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Begging the question, can you make/receive calls/SMS and use mobile data if you're running Linux?

      1. Christian Berger

        Good question

        "can you make/receive calls/SMS and use mobile data if you're running Linux?"

        That's a good question, I haven't gotten the provided Linux image to do anything usefull. I'd say "probably yes", but maybe not comforably for the first couple of versions. Again firmware wise this is far from complete.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        "Begging the question, can you make/receive calls/SMS and use mobile data if you're running Linux?"

        I'm waiting for mine still so can't confirm for definite. Some of the photos show Ubuntu with Firefox browsing, so data presumably works. On the OpenEmbedded forums, the general feeling is the drivers will be there, but the (user friendly) software not. They reckon you'll be able to make calls/SMS using some CLI tools possibly, so only time until a nice dialler and SMS application is developed.

        1. werdsmith Silver badge

          "Begging the question, can you make/receive calls/SMS and use mobile data if you're running Linux?"

          I think using the Sailfish linux via libhybris to use the Android telephone functions you can, but not Debian yet, although WiFi does work.

          It can't be far away though because there are Raspberry Pis doing phone functionality in their debian derivative OS.

        2. Peter Gathercole Silver badge

          @AC re phone and data.

          Ubuntu would be a good place to start for Linux on an Android phone, because Canonical have already done it, albeit abandoned now.

          I have a Nexus 4 with Ubuntu Touch on it, and although it is built on top of an Android kernel, it is supposed to be a full Linux (although the display is Mir and Unity). Opening a terminal session does make it look like a more complete Linux than doing the same on an Android device. Phone and data work fine. I've not attempted to put an external keyboard on it (I can't remember if the Nexus 4 supports On-the-Go USB).

          In order to run other normal apps than the ones in compiled for Unity, it is necessary to have some form of compatibility layer installed to provide something approaching a normal X11 display, but I never managed to get it working. Maybe I should attempt it again.

          1. werdsmith Silver badge

            Re: @AC re phone and data.

            Ubuntu is one of the 4 linux choices already:

            Ubuntu 17.04, Sailfish, Debian, Postmarket.

  6. steelpillow Silver badge
    Happy

    thoughts

    The rear camera is an optional extra. I ordered one but am still waiting for both PDA and camera. From the spec it appears to have no better resolution that the front, but it should be enough for say an A4 document or a party moment.

    Will be interesting to see how much second/third-run hardware does or doesn't improve over the first.

    Those Linux install tools have to be ported though, I don't have a Windows box in the place.

    But I do have a Chromebook and it has similar compatibility issues. I tend to write stuff on it as text files, sync via my Dropbox and then copy-paste into LibreOffice when back at the desk, it's quicker than slugging the Chromebook. But the effin' thing don't fit in my coat pocket!

  7. WonkoTheSane

    "Making a call is a tedious process, requiring opening the clamshell to dial the number."

    What happened to "OK Google - Call Fred!"

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      > What happened to "OK Google - Call Fred!"

      That works if enabled. Or you can press the little silver button, it goes "wop!" and then you say "Call Fred"

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        I don't know anyone called Fred. Is there somewhere I can complain?

        1. Dave 126 Silver badge

          You can have my Fred. He's friendly but bloody useless.

    2. Mage Silver badge

      Nokia communicator

      Qwerty, email, fax, web, etc in 2002.

      No need to open as the "lid" screen had a keypad and small display.

      I had the mono x86 and colour ARM versions.

      Sadly the OS on it lost in the 2003 internal Nokia politics.

      1. Christian Berger

        Re: Nokia communicator

        Well the Nokia communicator was the ideal form factor, as it kinds removes the problem of needing a phone interface by giving you essentially a dedicated phone.

      2. keithzg

        Re: Nokia communicator

        A lot of mobile OS promise was lost over the years to internal Nokia politics. See for instance their Nokia N9, still ahead of the curve in many ways, which was to be the flagship of a new generation of Nokia products, but its "Harmattan" Linux-based system was dropped for the bright future . . . of Windows Phone. Oops.

        (I'm actually really looking forwards to running SailfishOS on the Gemini, which is a successor/derivative of Harmattan, albeit sadly going over to an RPM base rather than DEB.)

    3. Muscleguy

      Won't work on my phone, I have denied the Google app permission to access the microphone. You might be sanguine about your phone sitting listening to you constantly but I'm not.

      I also NEVER use Google for search. I have a Startpage shortcut on my home page instead. On my previous phone on an older version of Android I managed to disable Google and get rid of the search bar though attempts to put anything in the space failed.

      I attempted that on the new phone and bricked it requiring a factory restart. But saying 'OK Google' has no result. I don't consider opening the address book and scrolling it is a terrible imposition. It also enables me to ring someone without everyone around knowing who I'm ringing. I have a shortcut to my wife on the home page as well.

    4. d3vy

      From my experience :

      "Ok Google, Call fred"

      "Calling Bob" (That dick from 3 contracts ago whos number you only saves specifically so you could ignore his calls)

      "Ok Google, Cancel... Hang up... Shit, shit... "

      "Hi bob! Hows it going?!

      That might just be me though!

  8. Anonymous Coward
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    I bought one of these. Lady Tea Hound asked me what I was going to do with it, and I had no useful reply. She smiled knowingly, understanding that sometimes people just need kit.

    It's just a cool gadget to own - brings back happy Psion memories. I don't think we should expect anything more of it really.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Hehe I bought one for the same reason... I need a new phone, everything out there is "meh", I pretty much only browse, SSH and message from my current phone and have longed for the return of the Psion 5MX since I was a kid. I could only afford the Siena back then (I was ~15).

      Admittedly I'm also curious about Linux and specifically Sailfish on this device, because Android is lost to Google and privacy invasion IMO. I'm an Android dev, Sailfish 3 will supposedly have Android app support (with far better security than on Android itself), so makes a natural choice. I can take my apps, evaluate the platform and decide if it's worth porting to native Linux/Sailfish apps.

      1. keithzg

        Honestly, as someone who's developed Android and SailfishOS apps, it may not be "worth" porting but by gods is it order of magnitude easier to develop for SailfishOS than for Android, at least for a determined but amateur developer like me.

        Fucking Gradle dependency hell . . .

  9. Christian Berger

    It's still rather disappointing

    I mean it will probably improve gradually. So far the keyboard only works with the English layout, which if you have the German version, means that many keys are labelled "wrong" and you need to guess punctuation (which is accessed via a special modifier key). Yes there is an updated keyboard app, but that's only available via a third party "Appstore" which I'd rather not use. Just offering the apk as a download would greatly improve both security and usability of the device.

    On the plus side, the manufacturer offers a rooted image, so potentially it could be possible to get iptables on it so you can filter your outgoing traffic to prevent it from talking to untrusted 3rd parties. So far it works nicely as a mosh client.

    1. Paul

      Re: It's still rather disappointing

      there are different sets of keycaps for different countries, but you had to tell Planet before they made them and shipped them out!

      1. Christian Berger

        Re: It's still rather disappointing

        Well I ordered German. However the keyboard support currently is less than stellar. Still miles above any kind of screen keyboard.

    2. Charlie Clark Silver badge

      Re: It's still rather disappointing

      It took me a while to figure it out but the German keyboard setup does work. You have to make sure that you don't enable any of the AOSP keyboards. Things then work as expected though you have to learn which symbols mean what. The lack of second modifier key to the right of the space bar can be annoying but typing generally works well.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: It's still rather disappointing

        The physical keyboard is indeed the weak point. As the article says, the space bar doesn't work unless you hit it right in the middle. The remaining keys have a disconcerting wobble which means you have to press them in the middle too.

        There are also some problems with the layout. The @ sign should have been on shift-single quote (same as on a standard UK keyboard), rather than the rarely-used tilde. It's easy to hit Tab when you mean A. And when sending a text or Whatsapp, the Enter key just moves to a new line: to send the message you still have to touch the screen.

        But the biggest annoyance is that minus and plus are Fn-combinations. Try typing any Unix command like "ls -l", without a minus key, and suddenly you realise what a pain it is.

        Of course, a real minus key would need to fit somewhere. Given that the long space bar doesn't work anyway, making it smaller to allow space for two more keys would probably be a good idea.

        1. werdsmith Silver badge

          Re: It's still rather disappointing

          Second production run is under way this week, so another 1000 or so backers will be getting Gemini.

          Keyboard problem is identified in some sub-standard rubber spring-mats and some new ones have been sent out to some people, a doddle to fit.

          And the feedback from the first batch is going into the QC on the new batch, so expect a few of those teething troubles to reduce.

          Surprised nobody has mentioned the X25/X27 chipset issue. Midway through the campaign the SoC spec was upgraded slightly from Mediatek Helios X25 to X27 with a little bit of extra clock speed and some power management features. But the Chinese SMT contractor used up its old stock of X25s on the first batch so the early backers got a downgraded SoC. This was not even noticed until the devices got into backer hands.

        2. keithzg

          Re: It's still rather disappointing

          Naw, the @ should have been fn+spacebar so my Nokia N900 muscle memory could be pressed back into service ;)

          1. Inspector71

            Re: It's still rather disappointing

            N900.....my best phone ever.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      @Christian

      I can well imagine. I mean... Read the article: it basically only shares the keyboard and the clamshell model, that's all it has in common with the Psion 5mx. To me this translates to: they're trying to monetize on the Psion brand. But without delivering the same expectations.

      Sorry, but I find it seriously awkward that I hear no one ever mentioning once how this device managed to handle their appointments. While keeping in mind that this is supposed to be a PDA.

      For some people all the logic stops after they hear the name 'Psion'. Psion got big because it managed to deliver a highly functional product. Sure, you could do TONS with it, the 5mx was especially notorious for that (I even ran Norton Commander in a DOS setup) but it did so while still staying loyal to its primary objective: being a PDA.

      The PDA functionality came first and foremost. The rest (ironically enough also the most impressive stuff) after.

      But this... Sorry but I am not a fan. It sucks at being a PDA; it's basically an Android phone molded into a clamshell model. But as long as people keep calling it a Psion it sells because.. keyboard!

      The 5mx was MUCH MORE than the keyboard thank you very much. And I am a little upset how low some "Psion fans" managed to set their standards. The 5mx was WAY MORE that just the keyboard, but stuff like this almost makes it seem as if that was its main selling point.

      That's what you get when companies try to monetize on another product: the original often gets heavily disrespected because.. who remembers that anyway? Well, I do. And I am still passionate about it. I think this whole project doesn't do the Psion name much credit. It mostly credits the manefactories wallet. Where is that patent protection when you need it?

      Isn't Psion a registered trademark or something? Some kind of protection to keep the real memories alive?

      1. werdsmith Silver badge

        Re: @Christian

        Isn't Psion a registered trademark or something? Some kind of protection to keep the real memories alive?

        Both David Potter, and the original Psion 5 designer Martin Riddiford are involved with Planet.

        Planet are developing a port of the original Psion Calendar, unfortunately this will be for Android.

        For my requirements, the only advantage of the original 5 over this new incarnation is the sunlight usability of the screen. It's quite capable of fulfilling PDA requirements, but with full connectivity - 4G, WiFi, BT.

        I noticed you used the word "sorry" a couple of times. Rightfully so.

      2. Andrew Orlowski (Written by Reg staff)

        Re: @Christian

        "Isn't Psion a registered trademark or something? Some kind of protection to keep the real memories alive?"

        Planet doesn't use the Psion brand or trademark anywhere.

        "Sorry, but I find it seriously awkward that I hear no one ever mentioning once how this device managed to handle their appointments."

        The Calendar app that Planet has created isn't ready to ship yet. Perhaps you'll hear more when it does. Until then, assume it handles appointments just like any Android handles appointments.

  10. Paul

    there's an active forum discussing the Gemini, especially linux, here:

    https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showforum=192

    it used to be a forum for the Sharp Zaurus, so there's many old-timers who've woken up (like me!).

  11. Natalie Gritpants

    Think it could be simpler

    to build a smartphone flip case with a bluetooth keyboard embedded in the front cover. OK so two batteriess but more choice of phone etc.

    1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

      Re: Think it could be simpler

      I think you have to try and build a similar device to see which approach works best. You really have to use the Gemini to appreciate how well it works as a PDA.

    2. Mage Silver badge

      Re: smartphone flip case with a bluetooth keyboard

      No, needs to be a USB dock, like Linx tablets. BT keyboards inherently useless (sleep, wake, pairing etc).

      I have on that works nice on smartphones. Main issue is the plug.

    3. Christian Berger

      Re: Think it could be simpler

      "more choice of phone etc."

      Yes, but virtually no phone out there comes with any kind of normal operating system. Even the x86 phones are not PC-compabible so you cannot install $Operatingsystem of your choice.

      Android is not what the people buying it, bought it for. It's a stopgap solution until the actual Linux is there... or until the Pyra ships.

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