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Whatever can go wrong will go wrong. It's a law most IT people would understand and perhaps even fear. It was my third day as the new network manager for a reasonably sized estate across several sites, most inhabited by weirdy beardies who had jobs like counting bats, frogs and other animals you may never have heard of. It …

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  1. wolfetone Silver badge
    Pint

    "I left a few years later but the last I heard the company had spent several million pounds on a new site built directly on a flood plain with the IT hardware in the basement."

    I, for one, can't wait to read about the sequel.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      IIRC one new data centre was on a flood plain close to a major river. It had large electric pumps should a storm surge flood breach the yard's walls. Unfortunately the pumps were only powered off the mains supply - not the backup generator.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Not part of

        a nuclear power station was it? I recall an incident caused by this sort of scenario....

    2. Crisp

      Re: a new site built directly on a flood plain

      That's free water cooling. A cost saving right there!

      1. chivo243 Silver badge

        Re: a new site built directly on a flood plain

        Now, that's future readiness!

    3. handleoclast

      Re: I, for one, can't wait to read about the sequel.

      It's called Fukushima.

      1. Gordon 10

        Re: I, for one, can't wait to read about the sequel.

        I think you'l find its pronounced Fukubeancounter

        1. Anonymous South African Coward Bronze badge

          Re: I, for one, can't wait to read about the sequel.

          fukubeancounter

          ^ that ^_^

      2. Joe User

        Re: I, for one, can't wait to read about the sequel.

        > It's called Fukushima.

        It's also called New Orleans.

    4. Paul Hovnanian Silver badge

      "flood plain"

      How about consolidating a companies' distributed data centers to one location. Built right on top of the Seattle earthquake fault.

  2. hplasm
    Holmes

    Infestation-

    "Sometimes organisations just don't engage their brains – or it is someone else's problem. "

    It's Beancounters. Like woodworm, once they get into the fabric of the company, they weaken the structure and are hard to eradicate.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Infestation-

      Sometimes it’s beancounters. More often, it’s not (at least in my experience). In a lot of cases it’s actually easy to get what you want, but it’s up to IT to get the message across. In this case it wouldn’t have helped of course, it’s what the previous guy should have done.

      Get your disaster scenarios straight, and the options with detailed costs to mitigate. For each scenario, give an estimate of likelihood and potential cost to business (eg 1 site goes down, 100 users are twiddling thumbs for 2 days, that’s 200 days worth of wages, if it’s a warehouse add costs for late deliveries during peak season and so on and so forth). Put it all in a nice excel file with estimates from all and sundry. Sales & Marketing can be your friend here for the intangibles like reputation loss (they often tend to set their “disaster” cost estimates higher than they really are because their bonuses depend on it). If a customer has to wait longer for an order, in B2B environments for large orders and in B2C with social media shitstorms, the costs add up.

      If you did all that and the beancounters say no, ask why and make sure they give you the numbers on which they base their conclusion (in writing). Because basically in that case they’re telling you they don’t want insurance for when the house burns down.

      When disaster strikes, *then* you can blame them.

      I’ve had my share of conflicts with them, but we’ve reached an equilibrum nowadays. I’ve cut down on maintenance contracts by stocking more spares which looks good on the balance sheet after year one, they are more easygoing when I want secondary connections to the main sites or more redundant power to the secondary data center. It takes time, but it’s worth it.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Infestation-

        "give an estimate of likelihood and potential cost to business (eg 1 site goes down, 100 users are twiddling thumbs for 2 days, that’s 200 days worth of wages, if it’s a warehouse add costs for late deliveries during peak season and so on and so forth). Put it all in a nice excel file with estimates from all and sundry"

        In my experience, unless your likelihood figures are realistic, you need to have a chance of failure >33% before anyone from beancounting and/or senior manglement will take the risk remotely seriously. I've seen plenty of people who should know better assume that a 10% chance is the same as "will never happen". Even if you've got accurate ways of measuring the risk (because a lot of this is frequently finger-in-the-air wizardry), too many people will ignore the risk entirely anyway, because those IT guys are always pessimistic and grumbling.

        Of course, as Pterry so rightly pointed out, million to one chances come true nine times out of ten.

        A previous job we had several racks in DR using only one UPS, and we said the chance of one of the UPS failing during an actual DR was about 20% due to the increased load (hand-wavery here was we didn't know what the actual max load was going to be during DR, nor exactly what the maximum load on the aged UPSs could withstand before falling over). Beancounters and senior management said that this was an acceptable failure risk and said that, if the UPS failed, just plug some or all of the servers into the UPS in the next rack to take the load off the overloaded UPS. This was added to the DR plan by the beancounters without knowledge or signoff from the techies, because who needs their opinion?

        Guess what happened come the next DR (exercise thankfully, not an actual disaster). The business learnt the hard way that "cask aiding" doesn't mean assisting out a forlorn barrel that's down on his luck.

        Of course, it turned out it was actually ITs fault for not correctly identifying the risk, because the chance of failure in hindsight was actually 100%, and the beancounters couldn't have been expected to allocate budget accordingly if IT gives incorrect information. If half the racks hadn't have died, the chance of failure would have been 0% and thus IT would have been at fault for incorrectly saying there was a risk of failure and the beancounters would have been entirely right in denying ITs frivolous request.

        <need a Catch 22 icon>

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Infestation-

          True, but often missing in the first pass analysis is the impact cost. If it's a 1-in-a-million chance you might be tempted to roll the dice...but what if the effect of hitting that 1-in-1m is that your business is destroyed?

        2. rskurat

          Re: Infestation-

          failure to manage should mean being drummed out of management, with one's coat & tie slashed to ribbons in front of the whole regiment

    2. veti Silver badge

      Re: Infestation-

      Hey, beans don't count themselves, you know.

      Beancounters are not your enemy. They've got a job to do, and it's a real (mostly boring, mostly thankless) job that needs doing.

      Management, there's your enemy. Not your line manager, although they may become so if you don't cultivate them properly, but the real management. You know, the ones who take decisions about what risks are "acceptable" and what memos to ignore.

      On a related note, another enemy is Chicken Little employees and consultants who send scaremongering memos about every conceivable risk, without properly quantifying it. When you tell the boss "a power cut will CRASH THE COMPANY", make sure you include quantitative assessment (likelihood per year of unscheduled power outage in this location, likelihood it will occur during business hours, and a specific projection of likely losses). The beancounters can actually help you with that: get them on your side.

      And a proposal to mitigate the effect using a UPS, obviously, needs to include an allowance for maintenance of said UPS.

  3. imanidiot Silver badge

    I left a few years later but the last I heard the company had spent several million pounds on a new site built directly on a flood plain with the IT hardware in the basement.

    You'd be surprised about how many people don't even know what a floodplain IS, let alone the consequences of putting important infrastructure there. Even in the Netherlands (a country known for it's water management) some companies and homeowners have had to learn this lesson the hard way.

    1. H in The Hague

      "You'd be surprised about how many people don't even know what a floodplain IS"

      In the UK:

      https://flood-map-for-planning.service.gov.uk/

      https://www.gov.uk/check-flood-risk

      In NL:

      http://www.overstromingsrisicoatlas.nl/

      https://www.risicokaart.nl/

      www.overstroomik.nl/

      "... some companies and homeowners have had to learn this lesson the hard way."

      The very hard way as I think Dutch insurance doesn't cover flood risks. All the reason to pay the Waterschapsbelasting (dyke maintenance levy) diligently :)

      1. Tabor

        re: H in the Hague

        I hope you meant dike maintenance and not dyke maintenance ? I am all for LGBT rights, but a levy to maintain only the L part seems a bit much. Joke icon needed, but can’t seem to find it on my phone while in private mode.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: re: H in the Hague

          It does make for a lovely image though. I imagine them all lined, up, arms linked, facing the North Sea and muttering "bring it on".

        2. Fungus Bob

          Re: @Tabor

          But Holland is known for its dykes!

          1. Aladdin Sane

            Re: @Tabor

            I believe there's a bit in Good Morning Vietnam about that.

          2. tony2heads

            Re: @Tabor

            dyken

    2. JimboSmith Silver badge

      Floodplains

      The official monster raving loony party actually had a policy on floodplains.

      Part of it says

      Under a Loony government any prospective home purchaser be issued with a full description of such dictionary terms as ‘floodplain’, ‘coastal erosion’ and ‘exposed headland’. This will save time explaining why they have no house anymore after nature takes charge of the environment.

      Read more at http://www.loonyparty.com/5908/3058/floods/ could be a useful idea for companies too.

      1. Sgt_Oddball
        Alien

        Re: Floodplains

        How the hell does the monster raving loony party have a more sensible answer to this than the actual government?

        Next you'll be telling us Lord buckethead has a perfect solution to the housing crisis....

        1. JimboSmith Silver badge

          Re: Floodplains

          Some of their policies are actually quite sensible often with something bizarre tacked on at the end to make it a bit more loony.

          Any MP who’s constituency sells off a school playing field to developers will be required to relinquish his/her own back garden as a replacement sports facility for the school.

          The Loonies propose that a minimum requirement of Maths ‘O’ Level be made for all government ministers and their treasury advisers, thereby preventing two different rates of inflation when used to calculate raises in both state benefits and taxes.

          All third world debt will be cancelled. They’re not going to pay anyway. You know that. I know that. Don’t deny it.

          Some of the policies have been enacted and some become law such as:

          Passports for pets

          Abolition of dog licences

          Carnaby Street pedestrianisation

          All day opening of pubs

          Commercial Radio

          1. Adrian Jones

            Re: Floodplains

            Don't forget Votes for 18 year-olds.

            1. onceuponatime

              Re: Floodplains

              "And healthcare for Saxons and Normans."

        2. handleoclast

          Re: Floodplains

          How the hell does the monster raving loony party have a more sensible answer to this than the actual government?

          They frequently do have more sensible solution. To the extent that an idea which first appears in an MRLP manifesto is later adopted by one or more of the "sensible" parties.

          There are more ways of taking the piss out of conventional political parties than by standing candidates with silly names. Coming up with better policies is even funnier.

          1. Aladdin Sane

            Re: Floodplains

            Their current position on voting age is to lower it to 5 so that it matches the behaviour of MPs in debates.

        3. Martin an gof Silver badge

          Re: Floodplains

          How the hell does the monster raving loony party have a more sensible answer to this than the actual government?

          My 14-year-old got really interested in the last general election, having seen a party-political for the MRLP, and not just for the really odd policies like re-introducing mermaids. Put it this way, he's politically aware enough that he's currently wearing this T-shirt, and while he did disappear for a couple of minutes while we were queueing at the supermarket this morning, he came back with a copy of Private Eye (link included for non-UK readers who might not be aware of this publication).

          There's hope for the future yet...

          M.

          1. MyffyW Silver badge

            Re: Floodplains

            @Martin_an_gof your offspring should be congratulated on their choice of mid-20th century statesman.

            1. Martin an gof Silver badge

              Re: Floodplains

              your offspring should be congratulated

              Well, given that we live within the Aneurin Bevan Health Board not too far away from that man's constituency, and that said 14 year-old spent quite a lot of time in hospital as a baby, he is acutely aware that he probably wouldn't have had any younger siblings if we had been paying off for all that treatment. Either that, or he wouldn't have been as fit as he is now.

              M.

          2. rskurat

            Re: Floodplains

            Private Eye has a small but rabidly loyal following here in the US (not expats), more then 94 subscribers!

        4. imanidiot Silver badge

          Re: Floodplains

          Lord Buckethead doesn't but maybe amanfrommars does?

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Sometimes, there are ways round it.

    The Highways Agency have an IT location on a flood plain next to the M1 which is above them on an embankment. They know where they are and have built a moat around it and some very powerful pumps. In the event of a flood, the pumps engage and drain the moat by flinging the water OVER the M1 to the other side of the embankment.

    I gather the test was spectacular.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Sometimes, there are ways round it.

      I hope the pumps can still function if mains electric power goes out.

    2. Martin an gof Silver badge

      Re: Sometimes, there are ways round it.

      The Highways Agency have an IT location on a flood plain

      I heard a radio programme a couple of years ago on the new National Archives building in London, right next to the Thames. If I remember correctly, they put their IT in the basement because they would much rather the IT department (which presumably has decent off-site backups) flooded, than they ended up with a lot of soggy 1,000 year-old parchment.

      M.

      1. David Hall 1

        Re: Sometimes, there are ways round it.

        The Thames is pretty much a safe bet for building a DC next to because Thames barrier etc.

        Still a waste of nice river real estate!

        IBM have had their DC on the south bank for at least half a century and whilst it's pretty crap - I don't believe it's been wetted yet !

        1. TRT Silver badge

          Re: Sometimes, there are ways round it.

          I can think of a certain basement area next to the Thames that's been flooded in the last 20 years. But that was down to a large water main running parallel to the river cracking open and the water finding its way through the ancient, long since covered and built upon, tributaries of the Old Father.

          I don't know if it houses a DC or not; I suspect it does.

  5. Nick Kew

    Is it Friday already?

    ... Or has El Reg expanded its entertaining anecdotes beyond Friday (and the new Monday slot) to all-week?

    1. TRT Silver badge

      Re: Is it Friday already?

      Disaster can strike at any time. It just always seems like it's Friday when shit happens, just to take the shine off your weekend.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Is it Friday already?

        Nobody wants a disaster on a Friday, that would ruin weekend plans and the night out.

        In many shops you can only invoke the disaster process (if indeed you have one) with senior management approval.

        Some golf courses don't get very good signal on mobile....

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Is it Friday already?

          "In many shops you can only invoke the disaster process (if indeed you have one) with senior management approval."

          The same goes for Academia, one University with a leading computer science dept finally moved it's below ground and often flooded data centre to an off-site location, has had a £175,000,000 fire due to an UPS problem (wheeling it in and simply plugging in a 300KVA UPS without checking the battery bolts is simply stupid) and has installed a total VOIP phone 'solution', in the event of power failure there are NO communications. Then during the recent bad weather the COO on a £250,000 salary followed Police advice stayed home as did the director of H&S, leaving it up to a former Household Cavalry officer and deputy VC, the VC was 'unavailable', to make the decision to close and send people home. He typical to type decided impassible roads, no buses etc was no reason to shut the site, they ended up bedding down stranded staff and students in the library!

          Those of us that also followed Police advice, like the COO and H&S director, not to travel also lost a days pay or holiday as we can't tele-work like they claim to have done...

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    All your eggs in one voip

    Reminds me of the time when a satellite office network failed.

    Raise a help desk ticket? No, network is down.

    Phone help desk? No, the phones were voice-over-IP.

    Mobile phone help desk? Anyone know the real number? It's on the intran... Oh.

    Someone had the page open, so rang it. To find external calls were barred.

    Eventually solved via a personal call to a colleague's mobile at the main site who scurried down to the depths of the IT cave and caressed the offending router.

    1. Korev Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: All your eggs in one voip

      Reminds me of the time when a satellite office network failed.

      Well, it's very hard to string fibre up into orbit.

      Mine's the spacesuit -->

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: All your eggs in one voip

      As a telcoms guy...it's the network...it's always the bloody network!

      Phone system 4 years uptime....Network?....Well hopefully we'll make it to the end of the week before they f**k it up...again.

      1. Old Used Programmer

        Re: All your eggs in one voip

        What with living in Earthquake Country (SF Bay Area) that's why we have a POTS line separate from the cable system broadband. If my spaceship ever comes in and I can move to where I'd like to live and in a style to which I'd like to become accustomed, I'd get a dual-WAN router and have broadband from *both* phone company and cable company.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: All your eggs in one voip

      There has got to be a joke in caressing a router within a cave, I just can't put my finger on it...

      1. onefang

        Re: All your eggs in one voip

        "There has got to be a joke in caressing a router within a cave, I just can't put my finger on it..."

        You're not caressing it right. Use all your fingers, but very gently.

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