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Pasties in SPAAAAACE: Cornwall hopes for slice of £50m spaceport cash

"..located in the area around Newquay airport and Goonhilly..."

That's one big spaceport, given they're 30 miles apart!!

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It does not matter which side of the 30 miles. The bits from failed launches as well as fairings, first stages, etc will all drop on top of France.

I thought the Napoleonic wars were over. Guess not...

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Re: "..located in the area around Newquay airport and Goonhilly..."

And a quick failure soon after launch will drop the bits on Devon, so the Cornwallians still see no problem.

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Re: "..located in the area around Newquay airport and Goonhilly..."

Yup - a spaceport located in the British Isles doesn't make much sense. Ascension Island would be a much better site - you've got 3000km before you have to worry about bit hitting Africa (although less if you want to avoid shipping routes).

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Re: "..located in the area around Newquay airport and Goonhilly..."

a spaceport located in the British Isles doesn't make much sense

Sense will not come into this decision. The pea-wits of Westminster will make a decision based on political considerations alone.

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Re: "..located in the area around Newquay airport and Goonhilly..."

@LeeE

"Ascension Island"

...and you thought the Gatwick Express took a long time to get there.

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Re: "..located in the area around Newquay airport and Goonhilly..."

@Ledswinger

The pea-wits of Westminster will make a decision based on political considerations alone

So, not Scotland or Wales, then?

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Re: "..located in the area around Newquay airport and Goonhilly..."

> "And a quick failure soon after launch will drop the bits on Devon..."

Not so. This scheme is air-launched rockets only, from well off-shore to the south, I presume. Thus Devon will be spared, but not, alas, France.

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Re: Brexit fixes the UK spaceport problem

52° North makes access to geostationary orbits difficult, but as we are leaving Europe, the UK can be moved somewhere more equatorial. The government will expect clever people to work out how to actually move the UK with no budget perhaps based on sending the UK over the internet without encryption.

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Re: "..located in the area around Newquay airport and Goonhilly..."

'Ascension Island would be a much better site - you've got 3000km before you have to worry about bit hitting Africa (although less if you want to avoid shipping routes).

For reasons that are too stupid to go into I once had to find out the population density of the area within a few hundred kilometres of Ascension Island. Suffice to say the number I came back with was very low, although apparently 'the cube root of fuck all' isn't an appropriate response, because the cube root bit might confuse people. And the swearing.

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Re: "..located in the area around Newquay airport and Goonhilly..."

I believe they;re looking at horizontal take-off access to space via Skylon, rather than Space X type access. In which case, whilst yes, a location nearer the equator is nice, but certainly not essential. The Russians walloped the Americans during the space race up until Apollo, and their launch sites were all further north than Florida.

But in any case - if thur bain't be pasties and cream teas in space, Oi bain't goin'!

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Re: Population density of Ascension Island...

...if it's not classified I for 1 would really like to know why that question was asked. Any guess of any number not > 3 or 4 digits would be about right wouldn't it?

Enquiring minds and all that....

PP

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Re: "..located in the area around Newquay airport and Goonhilly..."

Imagine the conversation, 'We're going to miss out launch window,... the payload is still on the Lorry, it's stuck behind a queue of caravans on the A30.'

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Re: "..located in the area around Newquay airport and Goonhilly..."

will drop the bits on Devon, so the Cornwallians still see no problem

T'missus is from Devon but all her known[1] ancestry is Cornish. She prefers to self-identify as Cornish, despite having a blood group that mostly comes from the Iberian peninsula..

[1] Apart from the Scottish side. But that was many, many generations ago.

Me - I'm 100% pure mongrel with a paternal family origin in the Forest of Dean area. It's a miracle I can't count up to 7 on the fingers of one hand..

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Re: "..located in the area around Newquay airport and Goonhilly..."

So, not Scotland or Wales, then?

Damn foreigners, comin' over 'ere, taking all our space launches.

What's that you say? They are descended from Celts who were here before the Romans?

Damn natives, refusing to let us steal all their space launches!

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Re: Brexit fixes the UK spaceport problem

how to actually move the UK with no budget perhaps based on sending the UK over the internet without encryption

Are you sure that you don't work for DDCMS or the Home Office? Sounds like you have access to their briefing papers.

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Re: "..located in the area around Newquay airport and Goonhilly..."

if thur bain't be pasties and cream teas in space, Oi bain't goin'!

Don't be caring about cream teas and suchlike. It be the scrumpy I'd be missing. Unless it be there directly[1] I ain't goin'.

[1] Cornish usage of which equates to something like "manana" but without the sense of urgency..

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Re: Brexit fixes the UK spaceport problem

"52° North makes access to geostationary orbits difficult, but as we are leaving Europe, the UK can be moved somewhere more equatorial. The government will expect clever people to work out how to actually move the UK with no budget perhaps based on sending the UK over the internet without encryption."

Nah nothing so complicated, they'll just redefine the equator.

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Re: Forest of Dean

And your parents are not related.

Yes I do know the area.

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Re: "..located in the area around Newquay airport and Goonhilly..."

The word you are thinking if is " dreckly"

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Re: Brexit fixes the UK spaceport problem

> "Nah nothing so complicated, they'll just redefine the equator."

Won't that move the Prime Meridian away from Greenwich? Oh no, they'll just redefine that too...

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Re: "..located in the area around Newquay airport and Goonhilly..."

"Not so. This scheme is air-launched rockets only, from well off-shore to the south, I presume. Thus Devon will be spared, but not, alas, France."

Nah you can easily miss France.. Just aim over the length of the Mediterranean.

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Re: "..located in the area around Newquay airport and Goonhilly..."

Um, why would you want to miss France?

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Remind me

In Cornwall do they put the jam or the cream on the rocket first?

If they're partnering with a university in Devon do they need to scrape it off and put it back on the "right" way before they launch it?

This could lead to another bunfight at the OK tearooms.

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Re: Remind me

I think putting the cream on second would jam everything up

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Jam first. Cream on top.

It is the only sensible way to do it. How the hell are you supposed to put jam on top of cream anyway?

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Nope, hydrazine first, then cider. Or is it the other way around?

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Jam spreads nicely on cream, provided that the cream is clotted cream and the jam is proper jam - slightly viscous, not that solid gelatinous stuff.

Trying to spread clotted cream on jam (of either kind) is actually much harder than it is to dump jam onto clotted cream as it lubricates the surface onto which you're trying to spread cream and leaves you without a nice surface (spaceship or scone) for the clotted cream to adhere.

My Cornish grandfather (a physicist from Fowey), perhaps to his countrymen's disgust, taught me this way, and I remain convinced that it is the only way to construct a cream tea.

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"Jam first. Cream on top."

Lets solve this one once for all. Slice scone (whichever way you pronounce it) in half, spread clotted cream on one half, spread jam on the other half. Eat how you want, one half then the other, or put the halves together and turn so either the jam or cram is at the "top".

Personally, I'd rather use bread, In the form of a bun. Place bacon in bun first, then add the sauce. place top on bun. Nom nom nom.

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Jam first. Cream on top.

This.

Although I will categorically deny this post if my wife reads it and does the jam/cream[1] thing the other way round. It must have been those eeevil Russian[2] hackers wot did it

[1] Cream of course == proper clotted cream[3]. Which should be almost as thick as butter and spread just as well. Anyone who uses squirty cream in a cream tea would be persona non grata in our household - or indeed in every household of taste and discernment.

[2] s/Russian/[Norks/US/Chinese]/g *

[3] Strangely enough, she has some shared ancestry with the Rodda family. But then, considering how small the population of Cornwall was 200 years ago, it's probably not *that* surprising.

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"delicious, meat-filled pasties"

Actually a Cornish pasty should only be a third meat with the rest potato, onion and other cheap filler.

You might be promised a meat filled pasty, but thats not at all what you'll get. A bit like what the good people of Cornwall will discover when they find what their Brexit vote really means.

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Re: "delicious, meat-filled pasties"

One of my favourite all time japes is to tell a person from Cornwall how much I love the peas and carrots in Cornish Pasties.

Hilarity, and the occasional argument, always ensues.

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Re: "delicious, meat-filled pasties"

You're being let off lightly... Hell hath no fury like when a Cornishman has his pasties contaminated...

There's a reason why the Americans don't keep any of these in Cornwall any more -->

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Wait until we get 'Cornish' pasties that were made in the USA, as the yanks are now demanding. You'll long for the days when you got actual natural food like potato in them. You'll get whatever is cheapest and doesn't actually poison you until after you've walked out of the shop.

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Re: "delicious, meat-filled pasties"

Wait until we get 'Cornish' pasties that were made in the USA, as the yanks are now demanding.

Why worry, nobody in the UK will buy them other than out of curiosity or being a taste pervert. A bit like American chocolate, or beer.

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Re: "delicious, meat-filled pasties"

Meat in a pasty?

There was an interesting lady on Radio Cymru yesterday talking about Cornish pasties (celebrating Gool Piran) and she said that originally (c.14th century) they were just root veg, onions etc. Potatoes and then meat came later.

For modern usage, she recommended skirt as the meat.

She may be wrong, but so are peas and carrots!

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Re: "delicious, meat-filled pasties"

Just curious, is it named meat?

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Re: "delicious, meat-filled pasties"

So, we USAians have this thing called a 'hot pocket', which is vaguely similar to a pastie.

I am blessed in that in one of the cities I live around, there's a small chain of restaurants called the Cornish Pasty Company, which makes (from what I'm lead to believe) the closest thing to the real deal as can be found in the US. I've been there a few times, they are rather good. (unlike hot pockets, which are what Taco Bell is to actual mexican food- it's ok, but it's lowest common denominator food and there's much better to be found.)

Icon, because there's no IT angle in this post, unless you count that I put it in whilst waiting for a server to finish bootstraping an update installer for SQL.

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Re: "delicious, meat-filled pasties"

Pasties? Being American, I expected a ... titillating image to go with this article. Especially having just read the article on Rhode Island's proposed Porn Tax.

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"Wait until we get 'Cornish' pasties that were made in the USA, as the yanks are now demanding. "

A yankee heathen just managed to win a major prize at the world pasty championships. Bloody rich yanks, coming over here and buying all the best prizes!

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Re: "delicious, meat-filled pasties"

Putting a Ginsters pasty into orbit is probably the best place for it.

"Actually a Cornish pasty should only be a third meat with the rest potato, onion and other cheap filler."

Actually that should only be the first half of the pasty, as the savoury filling would be cooked at one end of the crescent and the sweet course at the other end.

Just getting me pasty out of me coat - I'd kill for a Ivor Dewdney pasty right now.

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Re: "delicious, meat-filled pasties"

Oh my god, Ivor Dewdney's... that brings back memories. Not the best pastie in the world, perhaps, but a Plymouth institution nonetheless.

Whoever said that beef skirt was the best meat to use was spot on. That's what my Gran uses (and hers probably *are* the best pasties in the world).

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Cornish pasty should only be a third meat with the rest potato, onion and other cheap filler

Turnip is also usually considered part of the canonical pasty. Or at least, that's the way t'missis' granny used to make them. She also did a version that had an internal pastry wall that sectioned off some stewed fruit or jam so that you had something sweet to finish off the meal.

That rumbling noise you hear is her spinning in her grave at the thought of vegetarian pasties.

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Re: "delicious, meat-filled pasties"

they were just root veg, onions etc. Potatoes and then meat came later.

Well - considering that potatoes didn't come to Britain until Francis Drake bought some back that's probably quite true.

Also, the peasantry wouldn't have had much access to meat. But lots of turnips, carrots and beets.

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Absolutely

the collar said "Rover"

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Re: Ginsters

Try a Pork Farms and you will pine for a Ginsters.

You can actually eat a Ginsters.

Around here they are the best you can get sadly.

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Cornish pasty in space? If I hadn't click the link I would have thought it was a pork pie. It's a bit crusty I know.

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horizontal launches - you're doing it wrong, think that's called Bloodhound SSC

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If they keep going a bit longer then the Bloodhound will "launch horizontally" over Watergate Bay

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much better

Zero gravity will solve the crumbs problem.

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