back to article Humble civil servant: Name public electric car chargers after me

The minister in charge of Blighty's latest driverless car law has suggested that public charging points be named after him. "It seems to me absolutely right that when one drives down a street, one should be able to spot an electric charging point rather as one can spot a pillar box or Belisha beacon," said Conservative MP John …

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  1. M7S
    Coat

    Politicians, as honest as the day is long

    If these charging points are perhaps locally solar powered, would any named after him effectively be making Hayes whilst the sun shines?

    1. Pen-y-gors

      Re: Politicians, as honest as the day is long

      Be worth doing just for the pun! +1

      Sadly in the real world we're up against the laws of physics. Serious EV-charging from the mains just ain't gonna happen, and solar would need a hell of a lot of panels unless you're in the middle of the Arabian desert, where demand is somewhat limited.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Politicians, as honest as the day is long

        Strange that between April and October I've charged my PHEV at home. Most of the power has come from my PV Array. If I could have fitted another two panels the PV Output would have exceeded the drain by the mains connected charger. From my observations, I have spent around £3 to charge my car 28 times which gave me around 500 miles of driving.

        I'm getting a 35KWh Battery system installed next month along with further 2.5KWh of PV on my garage roof. It will grab all the PV output and store it for use in the evenings or to charge my new car (Nissan Leaf). Again and by being careful I would expect to drive for most of the year at zero leccy cost.

        But naturally and according to you, I'm dreaming because I'm living at 51N and not at 39N.(lat of Jeddah)

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Politicians, as honest as the day is long

          charge my car 28 times which gave me around 500 miles of driving.

          Wow, all of 18 miles on a "tank"...

        2. Pen-y-gors

          Re: Politicians, as honest as the day is long

          Looks like it will work for you at home - well done. But public points (which is what the article is about)? To recharge many vehicles in a day - from the same PV panels? In winter, in an urban area, when a 1kW peak panel is producing about 100W? No, I don't think so.

        3. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          @AC - charging at home

          You have an entire rooftop to devote to charging a single car. Unless these public charging points take a lot more space than I've envisioned, they will have far less square footage to devote to PV and therefore having them powered via solar is non-starter.

          1. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

            Re: @AC - charging at home

            You have an entire rooftop to devote to charging a single car.

            I remember that, at one point, Honda were doing a demo of a home-hydrogen generation unit. The idea is that you have solar panels drive hydrogen cracking/storage unit where the hydrogen could be used in a fuel cell during the hours of darkness to generate electricity.

            Any suplus hydrogen could be used to refuel a hydrogen-powered fual-cell car.

            Shame it came to nothing :-(

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              @CrazyOldCatMan

              Why is using solar panels to make/store hydrogen better than using solar panels to charge up batteries in your home / in your car? Both have their inefficiencies, but we already have the infrastructure and manufacturing set up for batteries, not so much for hydrogen.

        4. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Politicians, as honest as the day is long

          harge my car 28 times which gave me around 500 miles of driving.

          That's nice but if you've only driven 500 miles between April and October, why do you even have a car? Surely a taxi would be much cheaper? And if you absolutely need a car, why not buy an old banger for £500 - would also be much cheaper and less polluting overall than anything remotely new.

          Just curious.

          But 28 charges for 500 miles for £3 - not sure that would work for me. 500 miles in a day is not unusual, and 500 miles a week is a rather slack week.

        5. Stevie

          Re: drive for most of the year at zero leccy cost.

          Well, notwithstanding the cost of the PV arrays and the installation of same, batteries etc.

          Noble goal though.

        6. jake Silver badge

          Re: Politicians, as honest as the day is long

          Jeddah is closer to 21N ... Silly Con Valley is ~37N ... I'm ~38N here in Sonoma. Just to give my fellow Yanks a sense of how far North the British Isles actually are, 51N is just about the Southern boundary of Greater London. Calgary, Alberta, Canada is also at 51N ...

          1. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

            Re: Politicians, as honest as the day is long

            North the British Isles actually are, 51N is just about the Southern boundary of Greater London. Calgary, Alberta, Canada is also at 51N

            ISTR that Edinburgh is roughy at the latitude as Moscow. It's kept (relatively) warm by the Gulf Stream and North Sea.

            Until the gulf stream diverts itself due to decreasing salinity caused by the melting polar ice cap anyway..

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Politicians, as honest as the day is long

      If these charge point are solar powered then any MP will be able to crouch down in front of one, and within an hour, the car will be fully charged!

    3. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

      Re: Politicians, as honest as the day is long

      (Where Day == the hours of sunlight available in the Arctic between December 25th and December 26th)

  2. BoldMan

    Its going to be a clusterfuck now that the politicians have got involved...

  3. Pen-y-gors

    Appropriate

    1) of little use to most people

    2) very expensive for what they deliver

    3) will be obsolete in very short order

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Appropriate

      The cars or the politicians?

      1. Stoneshop
        Headmaster

        The cars or the politicians?

        Yes.

  4. A K Stiles

    So who is the 'driver' in an autonomous vehicle? How are they to be insured exactly? Will you still need to pass some form of test to 'drive' an autonomous vehicle? Maybe it is more detailed in the Hansard record but frankly, at this point, TL;DR

    1. Justicesays

      Obviously it's government-ese. so hard to say, but reading the act it looks like

      If it's insured, then the insurer is liable.

      If it's not insured, then the owner is liable (unless it's excluded from needing insurance due to being in some government vehicles category, like military vehicles I guess.).

      The owner or insurance company is not liable if someone (who isn't the owner) switched the vehicle to "autonomous mode" inappropriately . In that case that person is liable (unless they are a minor/diminished responsibility etc. then blame the parents/legal guardian).

      If the manufacture is at fault due to making a faulty vehicle/software, they can still be liable/negligent/sued/arrested, but by the insurer / owner /police, not by the victim(s) of the accident.

      It's not clear if the government can just not pay anything in the case of an automated government vehicle running someone down. It seems that way as there is no liability assignment in section 2 for that case, so presumably the manufacture gets directly sued by the victim in that case?

      There are no mention of changes to the driving license system.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Joke

    He really wants this?

    "Just plug in at the Arrogant Arse charger..."

    OK, I'm assuming he wants the name to be what everyone calls him rather than what's on his birth certificate.

    1. Flywheel

      Re: He really wants this?

      "Stick your plug where the sun don't shine". That should do it.

    2. John Smith 19 Gold badge
      Coat

      Re: He really wants this?

      Sure.

      Haven't you slipped your "plug" in a John at least once in your live? *

      Just slipping out to "take the dog for a walk," so to speak.

      As for no liability for the car mfgs. He really does sound like the best politician money can buy.

      *Depending entirely on you PoV to resolve any ambiguities in that sentence.

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    4. Chronos

      Re: He really wants this?

      I'm not convinced "sorry, love, I'm running a bit late. I need to find a Vacant Bellend Charge Point™" is going to improve the lot of already unpopular electric vehicles, either, especially when they grow another two connections (I2C, I'm assuming, although this is the Government so they'll probably have to spend a quarter of a billion to make a new standard that doesn't work) to slurp your mileage for road pricing...

      Please note that Vacant is part of the name, not the charging facility's actual state. So, to specify one that you can actually use would mean "I need a vacant Vacant Bellend Charge Point™"

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It's a Good Idea.

    I look forward to plugging my electric car into one of many bell end charge points.

  7. Paul Westerman
    Coat

    hmm

    I don't think 'John' is a very good name for them

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    John Hayes : A Biography of glory

    Basically, he's been shuffled consistently around fairly junior government posts in a wide variety of departments. He seeming has no particular areas of specific interest, or indeed abilities. He's a member of the 'Countryside Alliance', the pro-hunting lobby who are too cowardly to admit it, and pretend to be 'pro-countryside'. He's also a member of the 'Society for the Protection of Unborn Children', and therefore against women's rights to decide about abortion and also bizarrely, against assisted suicide and same sex marriage (which have fuck all to do with unborn children as far as I see, but still). Astoundingly, in the true spirit of Yes Minister's 'Sir Arnold' he's chairman of the British Caribbean Society, which I'm sure he takes advantage of 'during the winter months'. Summary : he's a low achieving bigot who's occupying a safe, rural seat. In short, a classic Tory. Unworthy of having a single shit named after him.

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  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    If they name it Hayes will it have a shaft to hold the charging port?

    1. Paul Westerman
      Happy

      maybe

      they'll all be painted purple?

    2. Alan Edwards
      Coat

      Hayes

      You'd need to open up a console on the car's display and type an AT command to get it to charge, and then have to have one foot on the ground.

      So I'm the only one old enough to know Hayes modems and the Hayes production code. OK.

  10. I Am Spartacus
    Facepalm

    Because these electric cars won't be internet enabled

    No-One with an electric car will want to drive round looking for a charge point. They will want to look on their cars nav system, see where the charge points are, and see if they are free.

    Don't you just love it when our leaders really get this IT nonsense?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Because these electric cars won't be internet enabled

      And Apps to do this are already available.

      No doubt this plonker will want to tax all chargers and then tax the Electricty they deliver at 20% VAT + 90% Fuel Duty ++++ whatever HMRC can come up with to replace the income lost by decreasing amounts of Petrol/Diesel being sold.

      Then they'll add £400/year onto your Council Tax if you have a CP at home.

      i.e Shoot themselves in the foot but they will get well rewarded by their Koch Brothers (and the rest) paymasters from the Oil/Gas Industry.

      1. Timmy B

        Re: Because these electric cars won't be internet enabled

        "And Apps to do this are already available"

        The cars already do it. Our Leaf has a constant net connection and we can just press a button that navigates us to the nearest charging point. It does all kinds of checking on driving, battery usage and range and if it thinks you're in danger of running out of juice will ask you if you want it to find a charger.

        Still - this is of limited use here in rural Somerset. I wonder how many chargers will be seen here?

        1. DaLo

          Re: Because these electric cars won't be internet enabled

          "Still - this is of limited use here in rural Somerset. I wonder how many chargers will be seen here?"

          Already quite a lot: https://www.zap-map.com/live

          1. Timmy B

            Re: Because these electric cars won't be internet enabled

            "Already quite a lot: https://www.zap-map.com/live"

            That''s not a lot. The closest publicly accessible one to us is 14 miles away! The closest rapid charger is 21. I can't see Londoners driving from Watford to Richmond to charge. Though it does show that you can still drive electric without public chargers.

            1. DaLo

              Re: Because these electric cars won't be internet enabled

              But you would surely have a charger at home? 14 miles to the next hop doesn't seem too bad. Even the worst EVs can do 14 (0r 21) miles without needing their next top up.

              As many workplaces are also starting to install chargers, for many people covers most of their commuting needs.

              1. Timmy B

                Re: Because these electric cars won't be internet enabled

                @DaL "But you would surely have a charger at home? 14 miles to the next hop doesn't seem too bad. Even the worst EVs can do 14 (0r 21) miles without needing their next top up."

                Yes. But who would like to be told that they need to do a 30 or 40 mile round trip to charge? I am fortunate in that I have a drive and a charger at home. What if I lived in a flat?

        2. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

          Re: Because these electric cars won't be internet enabled

          Still - this is of limited use here in rural Somerset

          (Standard Government answer): "Move somewhere else then"..

    2. Commswonk

      Re: Because these electric cars won't be internet enabled

      Don't you just love it when our leaders really get this IT nonsense?

      If and when it happens, yes I will. Until then I will continue to slowly shake my head in wonderment at their stupidity.

  11. ukaudiophile

    I can imagine an autonomous vehicle governed by Asimov's laws, but I'd have real issues, if the legislation and charging points were named after him, having to get into a car governed by Dipstick's law and plugging into a plonker's charging point.

    Why did we let politicians get involved in this, it was going well until these idiots got involved, now it's going to be a complete farce.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    He must have lost his Marples...

  13. Christoph

    Belisha Beacons

    Sometimes it can be fortunate to have a double-barrelled name. The Belisha Beacons were named after Leslie Hore-Belisha.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: Belisha Beacons

      Presumably large flashing lamps on street corners allowing drivers to easily locate "hores" were considered?

    2. John Sager

      Re: Belisha Beacons

      The public's attitude to politicians has evolved significantly since the days of Hore-Belisha, as witnessed by many comments here. He is obviously far too far up his own arse to realise this.

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      1. Stevie

        Re: Belisha Beacons

        Yes, Doug, we all got that.

  14. lafnlab

    Does, "I need to use the John," have the same connotations in the UK as it does in the US?

    1. Robert Carnegie Silver badge

      There was a johnny in the street and I parked next to it.

      That would be slang for "a gentleman's prophylactic contraceptive".

      I don't remember whether "john" is UK or US slang for a prostitute's client. That would be who had left the prophylactic in the street.

      Worth cruising around for? It depends whether you get a charge out of it.

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