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A petition has been launched to update the UK Traffic Signs Regulations to include a geometrically correct football. The ball shown on UK street signs to denote football grounds is made up entirely of hexagons. And if you care about your geometry, you'll know it's mathematically impossible to construct a ball using only …

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  1. TRT Silver badge

    Signed.

    To be honest, I hadn't noticed, but this kind of sloppiness shouldn't be tolerated.

    1. Oh Homer
      Mushroom

      Mathematically impossible...

      Actually the sign is correct. Having mathematically impossible street signs fits perfectly with our mathematically impossible economy.

      1. Arthur the cat Silver badge

        Re: Mathematically impossible...

        Actually the sign is correct.

        Amber Rudd is talking to football manufacturers right now. She's quoted as saying "I don't see why they can't make footballs out of nothing but hexagons, it seems perfectly simple to me. If they don't comply, the government will consider legislation to make them comply."

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Mathematically impossible...

          Just hire one of the children sewing them to explain Ms. Rudd why it is impossible...

          1. MyffyW Silver badge

            Re: Mathematically impossible...

            The children sewing them, being poor and foreign, will of course not be allowed anywhere near the Home Sec. She'd have them detained in Feltham whilst she proved that they were "economic migrants".

      2. Simon Harris

        Re: Mathematically impossible...

        If only we still had Escher around to design our road junction layouts.

        1. Major N

          Re: Mathematically impossible...

          clearly you've never driven around Derby or Swindon....

      3. macjules

        Re: Mathematically impossible...

        Especially 2 1/4. 2 1/4 WHAT? Miles? Km? Double Deckers? Everton Supporters?

        1. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge
          Joke

          Re: Mathematically impossible...

          About that... it's missing the solidus, so it's anybody's guess what "214" is supposed to mean...

        2. collinsl Bronze badge

          Re: Mathematically impossible...

          > Everton Supporters?

          You mis-spelled "Entire Everton Fan club"

      4. swm

        Re: Mathematically impossible...

        This is perfectly possible on a torus.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Signed.

      Perhaps it's just an infinitely large ball ?

      1. Warm Braw

        Re: Signed.

        Suddenly everything becomes clear. I'd always assumed someone had cut the edges off the pepperoni.

      2. TheVogon

        Re: Signed.

        "Perhaps it's just an infinitely large ball ?"

        Or maybe the shadow of a 4 dimensional football?

        1. PNGuinn
          Mushroom

          Or maybe the shadow of a 4 dimensional football?

          The country cannot afford both this and the Prime Sinister.

          Reality will explode. Boris will become Prime Dexter. The world as we know it will end on thursday ....

          Just mandate that the ugly game be played with 2 dimensional balls. Or street signs.

          >> Or one of these.

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Signed.

        "Perhaps it's just an infinitely large ball ?"

        Or a spherical cow(oid)...

        1. PNGuinn
          Thumb Up

          Or a spherical cow(oid)...

          Perfectly smooth?

          1. Chemical Bob

            Re: Or a spherical cow(oid)...

            "Perfectly smooth?"

            And in a vacuum.

      4. _Seb

        Re: Signed.

        I mean everyone is absolutely missing that it is correct, just not in Euclidian space, I mean you could teach about this interesting geometry (first made using crochet was the positive curvature space) which seems to be this chaps point, clearly doesn't understand enough about geometry.

      5. PNGuinn
        Trollface

        Re: Signed.

        Burn the witch!

        just change the shape of balls nationwide to eliminate rounded corners.

        Or mandate that all footy be played with watermelons.

        Or ban it altogether. Or tax it.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Used to it by now

      "but this kind of sloppiness shouldn't be tolerated."

      I dunno, I'm a Brighton supporter and you get used to this sort of thing. Compared with Withdean, this is a breeze.

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  2. Throatwarbler Mangrove Silver badge
    Facepalm

    You know you have too much time on your hands when . . .

    Also, just because he isn't following "a Lovecraftian monster from beyond our perception" doesn't mean nobody is. The Elder Gods just haven't blessed him with The Sight. For that matter, he obviously isn't aware of the hidden symbolism of the hexagonal football--but wait, I've said too much. Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn. Ia! Ia!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: You know you have too much time on your hands when . . .

      And there was I thinking nothing in this universe could possibly matter less that 22 overpaid tosspots chasing a pigskin round a field.

      I sit corrected.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        22 overpaid tosspots chasing a pigskin round a field.

        I didn't think that were that many members of the Bullingdon Club left in the Cabinet.

        1. PNGuinn
          Go

          Re: 22 overpaid tosspots chasing a pigskin round a field.

          "I didn't think that were that many members of the Bullingdon Club left in the Cabinet."

          Bbbut - imagine that they where chasing our great leader round the pitch, with the intention of administrating a long and effective subtle re education ....

          THAT would be a match worth watching in all its gory.

      2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: You know you have too much time on your hands when . . .

        "overpaid tosspots chasing a pigskin round a field."

        The perpetrators of the petition want a word. They want to tell you the field isn't round.

        Personally I think the sign should be changed to an image of an inflated porcine bladder in the interests of historical accuracy.

    2. John Savard

      Re: You know you have too much time on your hands when . . .

      Clearly, it's appropriate that the sign should contain a stylized representation of a soccer ball, rather than a realistic drawing with curvature and shading to give an appearance of depth.

      So a circular window into the flat tessellation of alternate-colored hexagons that is analogous to the surface of a spherical soccer ball is one simple way to achieve that.

      Of course, usually curved lines would be used in a stylized representation of the pre-Eigil Nielsen style of soccer ball, just as they are in stylized representations of baseballs or basketballs.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: You know you have too much time on your hands when . . .

        "Clearly, it's appropriate that the sign should contain a stylized representation of a soccer ball"

        No it's ideally a stylised representation of a football. As opposed to hand-egg (American football).

  3. Marcel
    Paris Hilton

    Metric please

    That 2¼ is kilometers, right? RIGHT?!?! No? Okay, maybe it's not mathematically incorrect, but at least it's mathematically stupid. Fix it.

    1. Richard 81

      Re: Metric please

      Are you saying you want to see the units (understandable), or would you like the UK to adopt kilometres as our unit of road distance (not going to happen)?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Metric please

      Why is the mile the stupid measurement? Imperial measurements are based on human perceptions of distance. A mile is 8 furlongs, and a furlong is the furrow length of an field of one acre.

      No more stupid than the metre being one ten millionth of the distance from the North Pole to the Equator.

      1. Steve Evans

        Re: Metric please

        Don't be silly.

        A Metre is perfectly well defined in day-to-day terms. It's the distance travelled by light in a vacuum in 1/299792458 seconds.

      2. RustyNailed
        Boffin

        Re: Metric please

        By a somewhat lovely coincidence, the best answer to this question (IMO) is also provided by Matt Parker (yes the same one of the petition in the original article), via a video on Youtube:

        Are Imperial Measurements outdated? | Number Hub with Matt Parker

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7x-RGfd0Yk

        1. TRT Silver badge

          Re: Number Hub with Matt Parker

          I prefer Humber Nub with Norman Holtby, local pundit, real ale expert and whippet breeder.

          1. Roj Blake Silver badge

            Re: Number Hub with Matt Parker

            Number Wang is still the best though.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Metric please... WTF, who cares

          Perfect shape.... 2 metric units...? Just leave it alone!

          Why not just drop both of those marks and have it say "Stadium -->". Granted, the pictorial of a human smaller than a ball would have to be dropped from the far left. However, I see no issue with that from the poltically correct non-humans that will be seeing the sign.

          Or... spend millions and make nothing into an insightful nothing (a government classic)

          1. The Indomitable Gall

            Re: Metric please... WTF, who cares

            @MyBackDoor:

            " Why not just drop both of those marks and have it say "Stadium -->". "

            Because it's two-and-a-quarter miles away, which is almost 20 stadia. Duh!

      3. Primus Secundus Tertius

        Re: Metric please

        @Flatpackhamster

        The mile is an excellent base unit. In this modern world, it should be divided into 65536 new inches, as opposed to 63,360 old inches. Then a new foot is 16 new inches, and a new rod/pole/perch is 16 new feet. A furlong is one eighth of a mile (512 new feet), and a cricket pitch is one tenth of a furlong at 51.2 new feet.

        What could be simpler?

        1. Loyal Commenter Silver badge

          Re: Metric please

          @Primus Secundundus Tertius (are you related to J R-M?)

          Of course, the representations should be 0x10000 inches to a mile, a foot is 0x10 inches, rod/pole/perch is 0x10 feet, furlong 0x200 feet etc. Then you can have the beautiful confusion between hexadecimal and decimal number systems in schools, so we can easily separate our future developers from users.

          1. Haku

            Re: Metric please

            Can we have the Celcius vs Fahrenheit argument next please?

            I always enjoy watching people get hot headed over that one so I can tell them to chill out.

            1. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

              Re: please

              Don't forget the bi-annual clock changing welly wangling that we go through

              And while we are at it tell those americans that there is a unit of weight greater than a pound.

              1. Not also known as SC

                Re: please

                @Steve Davies 3

                Don't forget the bi-annual clock changing welly wangling that we go through

                Don't worry - we have the Independent to help us tell if our phones have updated correctly with advice like

                The clocks went back overnight. But did your clocks go back?

                In the age of smartphones, smart TVs and smart home appliances, changing the clocks is at once much easier but more stressful. Almost everything adjusts automatically – but how can you be sure that it has?

                The easiest way to know whether everything has updated is to check it against something authoritative, like the TV news.

                http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/what-time-is-it-how-to-check-your-iphone-lose-an-hour-a7387306.html

                and virtually the very same article about clocks going forward but this time published 10th March 2017, two weeks early ... The clocks went forward overnight. But did your clocks go forward?"

                http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/what-time-is-it-how-to-check-if-your-iphone-or-android-updated-for-the-clocks-going-forward-a6954831.html

            2. techmind
              Happy

              Re: Metric please

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nROK4cjQVXM

              John Finnemore Celsius vs Fahrenheit sketch :-)

              (Finnemore is brilliant!)

          2. Gazareth

            Re: Metric please

            @Loyal Commenter

            "@Primus Secundundus Tertius (are you related to J R-M?)"

            No, but he's mates with Dusty Bin.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Metric please

          cubits

          stadia

          Or perhaps the Egyptian Great Shat (half a cubit)

          1. collinsl Bronze badge

            Re: Metric please

            How long is a stadia, pray?

            1. The Indomitable Gall

              Re: Metric please

              " How long is a stadia, pray? "

              How long is a pieces of string?

              1. Ben Bonsall

                Re: Metric please

                How long is a pieces of string?

                one metric stringlength.

        3. Stoneshop
          Headmaster

          Re: Metric please

          and a new rod/pole/perch is 16 new feet

          Which means the expression also needs to change to "not touching that with a 16 new feet pole".

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