back to article iPhone 8: Apple has CPU cycles to burn

While the iPhone 8 retains the same unremarkable design for the fourth year running, the internals are a different story. Thanks to extraordinary improvements in semiconductor design, it has been able to shrink the capacity and size of its battery pack, while opening up a significant performance lead over Qualcomm and Samsung …

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  1. Semtex451
    Alert

    Could someone please call an ambulance for Andrew?

    I don't think he's feeling at all well

    1. RyokuMas
      Joke

      "I don't think he's feeling at all well"

      If he's feeling unwell, I hate to imagine how certain commentards who are all to quick to question what the iPhone's cosmetics may be inspired by must be feeling...

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        >I hate to imagine how certain commentards who are all to quick to question what the iPhone's cosmetics may be inspired by must be feeling

        Imagine how they'd feel if the headphone socket came back, they kept the same width, added another 12 hours of battery life and an SD slot so you could actually use that amazing camera.

        ...for the vast majority of users 5 minutes out of the box it's going in an ugly rubberised case - cosmetics are irrelevant .... and the higher the price the uglier the case.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Also delusional.

      I would take the Sony XZ1 phone giving 960FPS superslow-mo 720p 19Mp anyday, over the iphone 8 sporting last-years Sony sensor offering 1080p 240FPS with a 12Mp sensor.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Try getting work at your desk with that "Mobile First" nonsense. Maybe in India or China. Not anywhere else. And no one is producing studio quality music production on an iPhone. So blah blah blah. Stand in line and get yourself that iPhone 8, or pre-order yourself an iPhone X, if you must. I'll pass on both. I'm sure others will, too.

    1. Aitor 1

      Next step.

      The next step is to make a base for it that cools it and prepare the sw for the mobile phone to be the laptop brain.

      1. Stuart 22

        Re: Next step.

        "The next step is to make a base for it that cools it and prepare the sw for the mobile phone to be the laptop brain."

        Or hold it under the cold tap if it's IP68 rated.

        1. Blank Reg

          Re: Next step.

          I wonder if the glass back can withstand the thermal shock of cold water after it's gotten good and hot from transcoding that 4k video.

      2. The Man Who Fell To Earth Silver badge
        WTF?

        Re: Next step.

        I just put a lot of ice in my pocket along with the phone.

        1. Mikel

          Re: Next step.

          While rendering I have my wife put it in her pocket, and the frost proximity takes care of the rest.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Next step.

            >While rendering I have my wife put it in her pocket, and the frost proximity takes care of the rest.

            He chose... poorly.

    2. Voland's right hand Silver badge

      Passing is temporary

      This has the distinct smell of an ARM CPU coming to a Macbook near you in the immediate future.

      1. Simon Harris

        Re: Passing is temporary

        "This has the distinct smell of an ARM CPU"

        As recognisable by Pennsylvanian sniffer dogs?

        https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/13/electronics_sniffer_dog_for_child_abuse_crooks

      2. Charlie Clark Silver badge

        Re: Passing is temporary

        This has the distinct smell of an ARM CPU coming to a Macbook near you in the immediate future.

        Maybe, but if you run single-thread ARM vs. Intel, then Intel still tends to come out quite a bit better. Still, could be a nice bargaining chip in negotiations.

        1. Steve Todd

          Re: Passing is temporary

          @Charlie, not so much, no. The Core i7 in the mid-2017 13" MBP produces a single-threaded Geekbench score of 4590. The A11 comes back with a score of 4204. Less than a 10% advantage in single threaded applications isn't something users will notice.

          1. Naselus

            Re: Passing is temporary

            "The Core i7 in the mid-2017 13" MBP produces a single-threaded Geekbench score of 4590. The A11 comes back with a score of 4204. "

            All that really shows is that Linus Torvalds is right when he says Geekbench is a crap benchmark, though. It has a significant bias toward ARM against x86. Other benchmarking tools tend to show a significant difference in Intel's favour, which only becomes more pronounced over extended testing.

      3. john.jones.name

        ARM macbook -> not a hope

        the integer performance is nowhere near good enough let alone Floating point

        Yes the Apple designs are good but they are designed for battery life in the same way a iPhone has a limited amount of RAM and simply increasing it will not improve performance beyond a certain point.

        Intel have made some mistakes but still have the general workload crown by a long long way

      4. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

        Re: Passing is temporary

        This has the distinct smell of an ARM CPU coming to a Macbook near you in the immediate future.

        Hopefully.. And maybe with a lower-power AMD coprocessor to accellerate those x86 bits for people who want to run Windows (linux comes in ARM flavours too).

        I'd buy that.

    3. big_D Silver badge

      I arrive at work, put plug my smartphone into a USB port to recharge and it stays there the whole day, whilst I work on a beefy PC with 3 screen setup.

      I probably spend around 60 hours a week in front of a PC and about 2 hours in front of the phone.

      1. Mikel

        ->big_D

        Your phone doesn't go even one day without being on the charger? That's sad. Have you thought about getting one with more legs? I only charge my Moto G5 Plus every second day, and only while I'm sleeping.

        1. big_D Silver badge

          Re: ->big_D

          I have a Nexus 5X, it can last about a day and a half. I use it to listen to podcasts and audio books when I walk the dog, so it does get a little workout every day (BT headphones). It is also attached to my Fitbit. but updating that is about a minute a day.

          But actually "using" it for anything other than audio is very limited. I find such a small screen impractical and unless it is an emergency, I wait until I can get to a "proper" screen.

          The plugging it in is just habit and at least it is fully charged when I need it.

  3. Dave 126 Silver badge

    The iPhone 8 uses Sony's new stacked camera sensors which have processing and memory built in.

    https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/22/iphone-8-teardown-reveals-few-surprises-but-more-camera-details/

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      It's last years Sony sensor. Sony are fitting this years improvements to it's XZ1, and offering a whopping 960FPS

      1. FIA Silver badge

        It's last years Sony sensor. Sony are fitting this years improvements to it's XZ1, and offering a whopping 960FPS

        Although aparently not 120,240 or 480 which seems a little odd...

        See here.

  4. Simon Harris

    "Top consumer camcorders ... don't even come close."

    They do, however, have decent optics and removable storage.

    1. TRT Silver badge

      Re: "Top consumer camcorders ... don't even come close."

      And a battery that you can change.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Odd....

    from the Apple site:

    4K video recording at 24 fps, 30 fps or 60 fps

    1080p HD video recording at 30 fps or 60 fps

    720p HD video recording at 30 fps

    Oh sorry you mean a very limited short burst mode (yes I know you stated that), unlike a sustained mode.

    And where is the HDR on video?

    Where is the 20x optical zoom?

    Someone clearly wants to get back in Apples marketing good books.

    My little hatchback is about the same up to 10mph as most supercars, does more MPG and has a better equipment list. Therefore my car is better than a supercar.

    1. Hello to Jason Isaacs
      Happy

      Re: Odd....

      Your car is better than a supercar.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Odd....

        "Your car is better than a supercar."

        That's the problem, isn't it?

        Supercars are not very good at the job of transporting people and things from A to B. £20000 of family car is very good at ti.

        There is no supercar phone, in general they just get more competent as they get more expensive though a law of diminishing returns sets in.

    2. Dave 126 Silver badge

      Re: Odd....

      What gives you the impression that the iPhone only records high frame hi resolution in short bursts? I found no mention of such a limitation in any reviews. Obviously the NAND storage will fill up quickly, but it is quick enough.

      If you revisit the list from which you copied and read down, you'll see 'Slo-mo video support for 1080p at 120 fps or 240 fps' - though apparently you need to switch the codec to HEVC.

    3. fobobob

      Re: Odd....

      Can't find it now (i'll keep looking), but someone did a little write up on why American police departments should have selected a minivan (i forget which type) over the Ford Crown Victoria, as the minivan was superior in pretty much every parameter aside from top speed.

      1. Oblamo BinLyen

        Re: Odd....

        They are using Ford's SUV's, forget which one (Explorer??) but they are like bird droppings, all over the place.

      2. Mikel

        @fobobob

        Everyone knows police can't see minivans. So naturally they can't find them to add them to the fleet.

  6. Lloyd

    Windows

    So, does iTunes work properly yet on Windows or does it still self destruct constantly?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: iTunes on Windows

      For my second cycle of iPhone very recently, I did the same as the first round: I got "last year's model" for cheap, and it is more featured and powerful than I need. This time it's the 7; last one was a 6.

      But this time around, my iTunes on Vista (8-year-old Dell tower) can't connect to it, and there are no more updates from Fruit HQ. So this iPhone's nice, big memory is lacking the GBs of music I intend to carry with me, and work has been less than productive. I'm going to have to migrate my entire iTunes library over to my missus's Win 8.1 laptop (4?-year-old Dell). Thinking I'll keep the media on a flash drive and only load the application itself, so she still has lots of space to keep fiddling with Photoshop Elements. (We're not power users, but we're passively keeping non-tablets relevant.)

      If Fruit HQ decides to drop Windows support entirely, I can imagine buying a Mac Mini and migrating not only the media but my household-financial operations (about all I do on the old desktop). Maybe my external ioSafe drives can be converted into Time Machines.

      (Why not Apple Music? Too cheap and too stubborn, admittedly. Also why I'm using an old version of Quicken, and an old Vista machine, and using USB external HDs for backups...)

      1. richardcox13

        Re: iTunes on Windows

        > I'm using an old version of Quicken, and an old Vista machine, and using USB external HDs for backups

        When Quicken abandoned the UK consumer marketplace they made 2004 available for free (there's a licence code on their web site[1]). With the caveat of needing elevation, it runs fine on Windows 10.

        On topic: when mobile phones can happily drive a couple of more than HD resolution displays, use a proper[2] keyboard with a TB or so of NVME connected storage then maybe it can replace a desktop.

        [1] Or at least there was when I looked a year or so ago.

        [2] Ie. mechanical.

      2. D@v3

        Re: AC

        If you are running vista and looking to migrate to Win8.1, i feel exceptionally sorry for you.

      3. robin thakur 1

        Re: iTunes on Windows

        What I did is use iTunes Match to get my GBs of music to the cloud and now mostly use Apple Music. Anything Match can't match...will get uploaded and is then accessible anywhere storable offline etc. I've not had to use iTunes in conjunction with the iPhone since about 2013 (other than for buying Music occasionally, so whenever I see people whining about iTunes these days, all it tells me is that you are probably stuck in the past and haven't properly used the Apple ecosystem for a while.

      4. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

        Re: iTunes on Windows

        If you are still using Vista then iTunes won't be the only thing that won't work before long. It is just slightly better than using XP on a machine that is connected to the Internet.

        No security updates. AV software going EOL etc etc etc

        The writing has been clearly marked on the wall for some time when it comes to Vista.

        I'm afraid that it is time to upgrade your OS. If it can't hack Windows 7 then there are plenty of reconditioned machines availble on the internet. Some start at less than £100.

        Many of these will be even capable of running Windows 10... Should you desire to.

        1. fidodogbreath

          Re: iTunes on Windows

          If you are still using Vista then iTunes won't be the only thing that won't work before long.

          Vista sucked ass. Why on earth would anyone choose to continue using it?

    2. gurugeorge

      Re: itunes

      I was converted after seeing my top spec android left dead by an iPhone in 2011 - The iPhone had half the ram, half the processor speed - but loaded a website while my android was still showing a white screen. Btw I haven't used iTunes since 2012 - but have only used iPhones since. There is a reason that 2013 iPhone 5s costs more than last years Samsung galaxy.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Windows

      That's not the question you should ask. The question you should ask is 'does iTunes work properly yet on OSX or does it still self-destruct constantly?'. And the answer is that every other version of the fucking thing decides that some bit of state I care about doesn't in fact matter. Usually this is podcasts but sometimes it's other stuff.

      1. Vector
        Angel

        @tfb Re: Windows

        "...every other version of the fucking thing decides that some bit of state I care about doesn't in fact matter."

        Then you're not using it properly. The proper way to use it is to accept everything Apple has decided for you and be on your merry way. They know far better than you...

    4. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

      Re: Windows

      does iTunes work properly yet on Windows

      Don't be silly - they can't get it to work properly on MacOS and that's its native platform..

      They just make it suck harder on Windows because.. you know.. Windows.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I'd rather read one of Andrew's articles than buy an iPhone.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      It is like choosing which is less painful, a hot poker in the eye or a hot poker in the rear...

  8. onerob

    Some hurt feelings in the comments. Calm down dears.

  9. Dan 55 Silver badge

    Wasn't this fantastic GPU allegedly made with Imagination's stolen IP and poaching their employees?

    The six-core CPU A11 is now complemented, for the first time, by an Apple-designed GPU.

    Apple can now support 4K at 60 frames per second (fps) and 1080p video at 240fps. Top consumer camcorders costing around $1,000 from Sony and Panasonic can't match either frame rate. They don't even come close.

    While the Californian juggernaut carries on regardless, yet another supplier ended up as roadkill. GT took two years to come out of bankruptcy, the remains of Imagination got picked up off the tarmac by Chinese investors after MIPS was offloaded.

    1. ThomH

      Re: Wasn't this fantastic GPU allegedly made...

      "A lot of people are saying X. Now I've asked some people — smart people, the best people — and, you know what these people are like. They don't speak to me, I speak to them. And, I don't know, but a lot of people are saying X!"

      1. Dan 55 Silver badge
        Happy

        Re: Wasn't this fantastic GPU allegedly made...

        "A lot of people. Many people. Imagination's lawyers! I don't know folks, but when there's Imagination's lawyers involved and they've said Imagination is in dispute with Apple, and they've started an... official... dispute... resolution... process, official process, well, some people would say there's no smoke without fire. And if they said that, they'd be right to say that. And the smart lawyer people are saying that too."

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