Defra recruiting 1,400 policy wonks to pick up the pieces after Brexit

Re: Brexit

"There will be no meeting of minds on this one."

And when it's finally impossible to ignore the consequences we know what the few who will still admit to having been Leavers will say. We've already seen the "No true Scotsman" explanation being rehearsed.

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you can only get British citizenship back once, it's expensive, and relies on Home Office say-so.

Incorrect. You get it back once just by asking, if you try the same game again it gets harder, of course. The Home Office only wants a say if you're not a full British citizen at the time you renounced it, i.e. if your citizenship was obtained by some other way than birth in the UK to British citizens. Read the official form, it is quite clear.

Obviously if I move permanently to another country I would no longer be a permament resident in France. That's not a time-based clock, and yes I do know that limited holidays don't count.

People like you let loose with a vote in the referendum in the first place got the UK into this mess.

Sadly I had no vote, becase Cameron reneged on his election promise to remove the 15-year limit on expat voting. I'm sorry you feel that I wasn't a suitable person to be "let loose" with a vote, democracy is hard to live with at times, isn't it. Perhaps you regret that the vote wasn't an EU-run one, where we could have been made to vote again and again until we got the right result?

However, if I had been able to vote, I would have voted to leave. I would do so again today. I have not been misled, I have studied the issues for many years and after decades living outside the UK I am probably a lot better informed about the EU than many voters who have only lived in the UK.

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I have an Indefinite B1/B2 US Visa in one of my passports.

Try getting into the USA on that now.

"Permanency" on a travel document can e revoked by the issuing authority at any time.

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"If you move to another country and start permanent residency there, you will lose your permanent residency in France. "

That's right. Something similar happened to an Australian mate of mine: left NL for a year or two to work in the Middle East and promptly lost his permanent residency in NL. Bit of a problem as the house he owns is here. Ah, no problem, his wife is EU so they'll have to let him in - oh, wait, she's UK :(

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Which newspapers do you read?

Of the UK ones, usually the Telegraph and Independent to get some balance, sometimes the FT. Also Les Echos in France, and various local ones.

How about reading something that's even remotely interested in the truth, y'know, for a change?

Care to point me at any UK papers that fit in that category?

For anyone interested in reality, it is now certain that, best case, Brexit is an utter disaster.

Since there are still 18 months of negoitiations and posturing to go before we have any idea of what Berexit will actually look like, that statement is about as far from reality as one can get.

why would those with decency, common and sense, intelligence, a relationship with reality and the interests of the country not do the same?

Full of yourself, aren't you. Let me guess, you're a LibDem voter?

Can you, perhaps, step back a moment and consider that you are demonstrating exactly the holier-than-thou, we-know-what's-best-for-everyone, sanctimonius righteousness that is precisely why so many people are pissed off with the EU? Someone with that attitude is the very last person I'd want in charge of a village council, let alone a country.

Somewhere down the line, we need to wake up and stop this nonsense before it's too late.

Yes, as noted before, democracy is such a bummer, isn't it. Better just to stop all that nonsense and do what we're told, eh papa?

I campaigned for Remain and spoke to many, many Brexit voters and racism was the ONLY thing that mattered to them

Well, that says a lot more about where you campaigned than anything.

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"The racist* moron's who campaigned for Brexit"

And that attitude right there is why you lost.

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it's always been the pro-leavers who have been the moaners.

Strange, they're the ones who got what they wanted, what have they to moan about?

The term "remoaner" is used for the people who voted to stay, didn't get what they wanted, and throw their toys out of the pram every time the subject is mentioned.

Fortunately there are plenty of pragmatic remainers who, despite their disappointment, are prepared to work to make the decision successful. A far more constructive attitude.

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@ BongoJoe

"That's it. I have had enough of this expression, "remoaner"."

I understand that. Its like being called brexiter, brexshitter, racist, xenophobe, idiot or if you want to go to the golden oldie eurosceptic! Although that last one fell out of favour when we were proved right having almost the same arguments as we are having now.

"From what I have seen over the past year and a bit over no end of web sites it's always been the pro-leavers who have been the moaners."

I can only assume you are doing extremely selective reading. Did you miss the protests, march, legal challenges and political party pledge to scrap democracy and dictate that the result should be declared illegitimate and undone without any further discussion? Or the constant insistence that good news be represented as bad and that any good news must be because we are in the EU but bad news because we are leaving.

Did you miss all of that? Any of that? Fgs I have yet to see an EU topic discussed without this kind of rubbish. Remoaner seemed to appear in response to brexiter.

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>>Would it be too much to ask that you STFU with the whinging and actually try and make it work?

>How?

If you approach a difficult challenge with the attitude of "I don't see why I should bother, it'll all end in disaster anyway, it's all your fault, you're stupid and you've ruined my life, you racist moron" then you really can't be surprised that:

a) It will end in disaster, and

b) The people who are actually trying to make it work get royally pissed off with you

If you're not willing to work towards the solution, at least try not to be part of the problem. Please.

Re: Brexit

Assuming you to be one of the minority of the 37%

Proof that we're in a minority?

Why is it OUR job to work out how to make brexit work

I've never suggested that it is. It would just be good if you'd stop getting in the way of people who are trying to make it work. Some of us actually care about this being successful, even for the folks who didn't want it.

As for not understanding what it is, it seems to have escaped your notice that it is a negotiation, and one of the key things about a negotiation is that you don't know the result until you've actually negotiated.