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Facing mass defections from CEOs repulsed by President Donald Trump's weak handling of fascists marching in America's streets, the White House has disbanded its manufacturing council. In the days after the Charlottesville white-supremacist rallies and the President's initial tepid condemnation of those marches, the leaders of …

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  1. Keven E

    Under pressure

    Trumps tweet... "Rather than putting pressure on the business people..."

    What an arrogant twit. He really thinks being POTUS is like (private) ownership of a business.

    1. jake Silver badge

      Re: Under pressure

      Trump is clearly in the early stages of dementia.

      It may have worked for the Reagan Whitehouse, but Nancy was quite intelligent, and not born behind the Iron Curtain ... Be afraid, people. Be very afraid.

      1. Mark 85

        Re: Under pressure

        I'm not so sure about the dementia but it appears we're seeing things that were there during the campaign but glossed over by all the Clinton crap. I'm just not sure what he believes or what his intentions actually are.

        As for the Nazis... I retract my previous position about dialog. Time to shut them down.

      2. John Smith 19 Gold badge
        Unhappy

        "Trump is clearly in the early stages of dementia."

        I can understand the appeal of this line of reasoning, I really can. It promises an end to his behavior and a return to sanity. It's a simple solution.

        My old History teacher taught that you should always be very wary of people who offer simple solutions to difficult problems.

        And blaming Trumps behavior on dementia is a simple solution. Let me suggest other reasons for his response to this situation.

        a)They are part of his voter base, although his views may be a bit liberal for their tastes. Like this guy , Trump does not believe in laws, he believes in borders.

        b) He lacks any empathy with others. The feelings normal people would feel at hearing of the events and their perpetrators simply don't exist in him. IOW his reaction to an advisor saying "Mr President you have to make a statement condemning this behavior by the alt-right" is "Why?"

        Stalin said "One death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic," but that's not quite detached enough.

        For the gated-community-raised-pre-school-bully-turned-construction-speculator one death is also a statistic. "I never met the the girl (although she's cute). I didn't know the girl and I'm never going to know her. Everything else is fake news," as the D might put it.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          IT Angle

          Re: "Trump is clearly in the early stages of dementia."

          Northing to do with the topic at hand but when a comment is long and the 'Expand Comment' option is available, clicking on links that are (presumably) in the top of the gradient section that will be expand downwards - but are still entirely visible on screen, e.g. "like this guy" - doesn't work.

          A fine case of clever UI and coding removing useful functionality.

          Anyway, back to the debate...

        2. jake Silver badge

          Re: "Trump is clearly in the early stages of dementia."

          It's not a simple solution. In fact, it's not a solution at all. Nor does it promise an end to anything. Nor was my comment based on this single instance of his behavior.

          What it is is a theory that fits the evidence as observed over the last several years.

      3. Hans Neeson-Bumpsadese Silver badge

        Re: "Trump is clearly in the early stages of dementia"

        Actually, I think he's just a psychopath (or at least has significant psychopathic tendencies). Occam's razor, and all that.

        In all seriousness, Jon Ronson's rather excellent book "The Psychopath Test" is a very interesting read, particularly when you think about the content in the context of people that you know (of).

        1. John Smith 19 Gold badge
          Unhappy

          "Jon Ronson's rather excellent book "The Psychopath Test" is a very interesting read, "

          Although it's about a good bit more than that.

          Running the PCL-R on people can be quite interesting, Are they 0,1,2 or 3 on each question?

          Although obviously Trump is a 0 on #20 (criminal versatility) because he's not been charged with anything (unlike the inmates of the maximum security slammer Dr Hare worked in).

          Or at least not found guilty of anything, which I'm sure he would argue is exactly the same thing.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    A shame, he started off so well.

    It'll all end fine, I'm sure. Just teething problems.

  3. TheElder

    Dell is loyal?

    Looks like Dell may have just hit the Dellete key for many customers.

    1. Whiznot

      Re: Dell is loyal?

      Dell still has customers? Who knew?

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      2. jake Silver badge

        Re: Dell is loyal?

        Dude! I'm so not getting a Dell.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Facepalm

          Re: Dell is loyal?

          From Dell's 'Corporate Social Responsibility' page - http://www.dell.com/learn/uk/en/ukcorp1/cr:

          Every day, Dell is pairing technology with innovation to make a positive social and environmental impact – building a Legacy of Good. We are committed to putting our technology and expertise to work, where it can do the most good for people and the planet, making possible today what was impossible yesterday.

          Every team member at Dell shares this commitment because being a good company is the right thing to do, but it is also right for our business. We’re creating real value for our customers, employees, and partners while driving social and environmental good in the community.

          Surely there's nothing in here that stops them working very closely and intimately with the Mr Trump, a man who has definitely redefined what being a President means.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Dell's 'Corporate Social Responsibility' page

            Like most large companies, they are (and do) the opposite of what they say.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Dell is loyal?

      OK, so you just became one of very few voices able to champion their agenda with POTUS. There is a strong argument to say it's smarter to stay in that position than to walk away from it.

  4. redpawn

    No Surprise

    Our Cheto 'n Chief has been spewing racist comments for decades excused as "let Trump be Trump" he is not a politician. He just got a little too loud with his white supremacist ranting yesterday for most business folk to tollerate and one of the groups he claimed to disband had already done so.

    Standing against Nazis and their sympathizers is not optional for a president.

    Resign Now! You are beneath contempt.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The question I want to ask is that now cloudflare has f*cked them off are they really that popular that it's worth them getting the extra redundancy to mitigate ddos attacks?

    That's a worrying thought as I just assumed this was used by marginalised pricks who w*nk off to homosexual porn (nothing against the gays btw) in the bedroom at their mothers house.

    1. John G Imrie

      are they really that popular

      No, not popular, but there are a lot of Hacker groups, think Anonymous, who would like to gain credit for knocking them off the web, again.

  6. bombastic bob Silver badge
    Megaphone

    Political Correctness "key words" and "tricky phrases"

    Trump doesn't speak this language.

    neither do I.

    Trump told the truth about BOTH SIDES being wrong. The white supremacy ass-hats had a permit, and they should be allowed to speak [even if we hate what they say].

    But of course, a bunch of VIOLENT counter-protesters showed up, "ready to rumble". And they did.

    Some people were there protesting the removal of a statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee, a figure from history, and the re-naming of the park. And yet, the news media would have everyone believe that Trump is a racist simply because he didn't utter the correct "key words" and "tricky phrases" within the narrow time frame as determined by the left-wing LAME-STREAM media.

    It was the fault of BOTH sides. This is what Trump said. It is the truth. It is a fact. And no matter how anyone *FEEEEELS* about it (not 'think' but 'feel', the 'F' word) the truth is the truth.

    The left just needs to put on their "big boy" pants and DEAL WITH IT.

    1. redpawn

      Re: Political Correctness "key words" and "tricky phrases"

      @bombastic bob,

      How sad your life must be having not found your own "big boy pants" after all these years. Wake up and smell the coffee. Your president is worse than a train wreck. He is a liar, a racist and a corporate criminal. The sooner you wake up and Trump leaves the better.

      Yes in this case I am feeding the little Troll. Sorry El Reg. I tried not to react.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Political Correctness "key words" and "tricky phrases"

      Bob, Bob, Bob, sorry but the facts are as follows,

      Protesters with permit stage rally.

      Anti-protesters using the same freedom rights stage counter rally.

      Original protester drives car into other rally.

      Anti-protesters die.

      Trump does not condemn murderers at start and even goes on to say they are as bad as each other.

      How can you claim one side is more violent than the other when one side kills people on the other side?

      It's not your fault, you have been programmed to see left and right, why not step back and look at the facts? I couldn't give a shit about left or right, they are both as bad as each other when taken to extremes.

      If I was to hazard a guess as to what the bigger picture is I would think that by causing social unrest you can instigate martial law, where America goes from that is anyone's guess but it won't be pretty.

    3. Palpy

      Re: Political Correctness "key words" and "tricky phrases"???

      Like "racist Nazis" is tricky for Bomba Bob to understand, I suppose.

      As has been noticed by rational people, Nazis and race supremacists want to take the rights, and sometimes the lives, of other human beings. That's the mainstay of their political ideology.

      Those who try to keep that from happening are the opposite -- they are fighting for equal rights for all human beings.

      Looks like Bomba Bob has chosen his side. It's the one Himmler and Goering were on.

      1. Jaybus

        Re: Political Correctness "key words" and "tricky phrases"???

        "Those who try to keep that from happening are the opposite -- they are fighting for equal rights for all human beings."

        That would be nice! However, I don't see Antifa in that role. When I see them attack in their black uniforms with helmets and bats, I am more reminded of the Communist vs Nazi riots of Weimar Republic Germany. Yes, Himmler and Goering ended up on the winning side of that one, but not for lack of trying by the SPD. And btw, both sides wanted to take the rights, and sometimes lives, of other human beings. And both sides attempt to do so by terrorizing the middle (ie. sane people). Given that we also have an example of the case where the far left / alt left / Bolshevik side ended up on the winning side, how can you blame someone for refusing to believe that one is better than the other?

    4. TheElder

      Re: Political Correctness "key words" and "tricky phrases"

      The US permits very "free speech". It is in the Constitution. It is my opinion that if you think the law is incorrect then fix the laws, don't break them. Just like speed limits. I do not speed, I drive the legal limit. I also have a perfect driving record. That reduces my insurance cost by 40%.

      1. samzeman

        Re: Political Correctness "key words" and "tricky phrases"

        What can one person do to fix laws they disagree with? You can't vote on that stuff if you're not in congress. There isn't a candidate out of the two that could ever win that supports my views.

        Also, disregarding ethics for the law is a terrible idea, and the constitution was written by slave owners, and this isn't a situation where.... wait.

        Hold on.

        This is actually a situation where that particular free speech does apply, I think, as it's Trump doing it. Huh. Never thought I'd see the day. Still, morals and ethics should come above the law.

    5. Bloodbeastterror

      Re: Political Correctness "key words" and "tricky phrases"

      @bombastic bob

      How is it that I can identify your posts before I look at your name? Is it the irrelevant and random use of CAPS? Is it the absurd and badly-stated rantings?

      But in this case, welcome. You've got right inside Trump's head and managed to convey the chaos within. Well done. Good job.

    6. Florida1920

      Re: Political Correctness "key words" and "tricky phrases"

      But of course, a bunch of VIOLENT counter-protesters showed up, "ready to rumble". And they did.

      You're so full of crap it's coming out your mouth. The Nazis used pepper spray and violence against unarmed protesters. Look at the videos. White supremacists trash with a permit are still white trash. Any president who lacks the balls to say that isn't worthy of the position.

      Oh, and another thing: Robert E. Lee was a goddamned traitor. That statue and every other monument to traitorous Confederates should be melted and the bronze thrown into the sea.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Political Correctness "key words" and "tricky phrases"

        Hang on a bit... "White <supremacists> trash with a permit are still white trash" (sorry, I can't replicate the strike-out line) isn't what I'd call fair comment.

        There's a distinction between "white trash" and "white supremacists" - it's only the latter group which is CERTAINLY malignant. Being poor, disadvantaged, disaffected, and (I dare say) somewhat dysfunctional doesn't make you a Nazi.

      2. John Smith 19 Gold badge
        Unhappy

        "Oh, and another thing: Robert E. Lee was a goddamned traitor. "

        I suspect that might have something to do with a sense of "Peace and reconciliation" following the American Civil War. Letting bygones be bygones and all that.

        Kind of a "We're all Americans now, not North or South" idea.

        It lead to the birth of a nation (in several senses of the phrase).

        1. Florida1920

          Re: "Oh, and another thing: Robert E. Lee was a goddamned traitor. "

          I suspect that might have something to do with a sense of "Peace and reconciliation" following the American Civil War.

          Lee was a sworn officer in the United States Army. He ignored his oath and joined the rebels. The Charlottesville statue dates to the 1920s, during a period when the KKK was resurgent and whites wanted to reassert their supremacy. That it has endured this long is a disgrace. That it is "old" and depicts a historical figure in no way justifies its continued public presence.

      3. Mark 85

        Re: Political Correctness "key words" and "tricky phrases"

        Oh, and another thing: Robert E. Lee was a goddamned traitor. That statue and every other monument to traitorous Confederates should be melted and the bronze thrown into the sea.

        Funny thing (not ha-ha funny) is that Lee didn't want to see any either. He believed the country needed to heal and one way to help that healing was "no statues".

    7. JLV

      Re: Political Correctness "key words" and "tricky phrases"

      @BB

      Dude, let it go. Any such arguments would be of debatable value, if there were no Nazis involved. Then, yeah, you could argue that Robert E. Lee is an almost legendary military figure - he was.

      But... there are reasons why renowned WW2 German military leaders, like Guderian or Rommel, don't have too many statues erected in their name. The causes they fought for make it hard to eulogize them, no matter what their personal politics were (Rommel got executed for supporting the plot to kill Hitler). Speaking from the POV of a military history fan, I'll say that's in a way regrettable, but one also needs to respect the feelings of those who suffered under those regimes.

      That would always have been a touchy debate.

      Mix in Nazis, not just right-wing nutcases, but swastika-carrying right-wing nutcases and El Trump should have had the political common sense, if not decency, not to equivocate in his condemnation. That he didn't the first time around ("I wuz just lookin fer da facts") is bad enough.

      That he was stupid enough to re-fuck that up 2 days later is just lamentable. That you're not able to get that yourself is fully in line with expectations.

      If you're into promoting Southern pride and historical sensibility, from a perhaps "slightly white-centric viewpoint", that's your choice and 1st amendment right. But choosing to defend it in a context of Nazi involvement really only helps to discredit it in the view of the majority. Instead, he should have condemned it outright and re-framed the Robert E Lee aspect at a later point.

      You, and Trump, don't have the common sense to see that.

      Bit like I deeply regret Le Pen senior, who could always be counted on to say something stupid like "the Holocaust? A historical detail". His daughter's much more dangerous because she is better able to further the French extreme right's agenda.

      Luckily, while Trump did get himself elected, he's been sufficiently clumsy politically - and to be fair, just in plain managerial incompetence - that he's achieved quite little so far.

    8. Alt C

      Re: Political Correctness "key words" and "tricky phrases"

      Bob please, I know you like to defend Trump at every opportunity and you're entitled to that reality distortion field but it is not in any way PC to come out and say Nazis are bad - whoop do do they had a permit the others didn't but they would be the first once in power to ban any sort of protest with or without a permit - they like to paint themselves as victims every time.

      Very nearly everyone in the free world knows the only way to deal with these people is head on. c.f. the history of the run up to the second world war.

      In previous posts both you and big John have gone on about how the 'leftists' like to smash things up when they protest and the right don't - well you've been proved correct the alt-right kill people - me i'll take my protesters smashing a few windows rather than driving cars into people and killing them thanks.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        The right don't smash things up? Eh? Re: Political Correctness "key words" and "tricky phrases"

        What's this idea about "the right" (i.e., neo-Nazi types) not smashing things up?

        What about Kristallnacht? Or, for that matter, the Night of the Long Knives?

        Have these people not heard of history?

        The whole point, the heart and soul, of Nazi methods, is to smash things up and murder the opposition with the intention of terrorizing any potential opposition into cowed submission.

        That's why those who oppose neo-Nazi types are right to do everything in their power to marginalize, belittle, ostracize, undermine, and - should the neo-Nazi types try it on - fight them physically. It's either that, or allow the horror to re-run itself.

        To borrow a trope from "them": such actions are a regrettable necessity in order to preserve our culture and civilization against the inferior folk who seek to overwhelm the flower of humanity (by "inferior folk" I mean "neo-Nazi scumbags"; by "flower of humanity" I mean everyone and anyone of any and every nation, race, creed, colour, sex, sexuality, age, and so on who's not a neo-Nazi scumbag).

        Not only that, opposing neo-Nazis doesn't make you left wing or any other wing - it just shows that you're fighting for decency, humanity, and civilization.

        Seriously, Germany from circa 1933-1945 provides the lesson here: if the decent people don't fight the Nazis with everything to hand, they can take over and then it's horror piled upon horror. If Mr Godwin, the man behind Godwin's law, says it's okay to compare these modern neo-Nazi types to actual historical Nazis, you know it's serious.

        1. The First Dave

          Re: The right don't smash things up? Eh? Political Correctness "key words" and "tricky phrases"

          @AC

          "Have these people not heard of history?" - said on a story that begins with tearing down what passes for an ancient monument in the USA.

        2. bombastic bob Silver badge
          Devil

          Re: The right don't smash things up? Eh? Political Correctness "key words" and "tricky phrases"

          "What about Kristallnacht? Or, for that matter, the Night of the Long Knives?"

          Nazis are actually MILITANT LEFTISTS, since they are 'National Socialists'. Fascism for some reason is considered right of center, though it's closer to communism. it's almost like it went around the circle and met the other extreme on the opposite side.

          These neo-nazi asshats should be allowed to speak. engaging in violent riots and other lawlessness should never be condoned. BOTH sides were wrong. that doesn't change. Quiet protest without violence is sufficient. There aren't very many of them, and if you consider ME to be trolling, consider what THEY do...

          (and you fell right into their trap, didn't you?)

          1. John Smith 19 Gold badge
            Big Brother

            " it's almost like it went around the circle and met the other extreme on the opposite side."

            Funny how that works, isn't it?

            The key point is not wheather the person who's stamping on your face is a Fascist or a Communist.

            It's the stamping itself.

            1. jake Silver badge

              Re: " it's almost like it went around the circle and met the other extreme on the opposite side."

              Left wing nuts, right wing nuts, what's the difference? They are all power hungry, and a disease on the backs of humanity. Is there a cure? They say laughter is the best medicine ... and you've got to admit it, they are pretty clownish.

              I propose that all wingnuts should be pointed out and laughed into oblivion. If enough people do it, it should work fairly quickly, there is nothing they hate more than not being taken seriously.

              Imagine, if 50 people a day ...

          2. Merchman

            Re: The right don't smash things up? Eh? Political Correctness "key words" and "tricky phrases"

            Just because they had "Socialists" in their name does not make them such. Try educating yourself.

            https://twitter.com/MikeStuchbery_/status/898254826277978113

    9. jake Silver badge

      PDNFTT (was: Re: Political Correctness "key words" and "tricky phrases")

      Those who feed trolls are doomed to keep them.

    10. Winkypop Silver badge

      Re: Political Correctness "key words" and "tricky phrases"

      Trump is exactly the tyranny that the founding fathers warned of.

    11. Palpy

      Re: Political Correctness and my previous post.

      OK, I compared Bombastic Bob to Himmler and Goering. I was angry. I apologize.

      Here's why I was angry. I was going through my late mother's effects. I found a photo album marked "1943", an album I had never seen before. It had pictures of young men in Army uniforms, Navy uniforms. Young men in Jeeps, hugging pretty girls (my mother!) and mugging for the camera.

      They were going overseas to fight fascists. To fight Nazis. And if they had happened on Richard Spencer carrying one of his swastika flags, they would have taken him out behind the bar and beaten the stuffing out of him.

      My uncle flew a bomber in the Pacific theatre. The attrition rate in the early war was horrific; he survived. He wrote letters home about killing the dirty, subhuman Japs. And a few years after the war, he asked for those letters back. He was ashamed of his hatred, ashamed of the inhumanity of his words. He no longer wanted to fire even a hunting rifle.

      I do not favor violence. But if we must fight Nazis in America, we will fight them. If we have to fight racist bastards in our country, then we will fight them.

      There is no excuse for the white supremacists in America. There is no excuse for neo-Nazis in America. And there is no excuse for those who refuse to stand against them -- with words and actions. The Nazis came to Charlottesville carrying clubs, and wearing armor, and primed for violence. Then let violence be visited upon them.

      My mother served in the Marines, in a time when women could not fight but could serve on the home front. I cannot do anything but honor everyone who stood against the Nazis in Charlottesville. I cannot do anything but rage against a President who dishonors his office by pretending that those who stand against Nazi racists are as bad as the Nazis themselves.

      OK, that got awfully serious. Here's something more fitting for our august and sarcastic forum: Bob, I have scrubbed scum out of my toilet bowl which is more ethically honorable than the scum which currently occupies the White House.

      That is all.

      1. lorisarvendu

        Re: Political Correctness and my previous post.

        @Palpy. You do your Uncle proud sir! You damn well better not get any downvotes for that post.

      2. jamesb2147

        Re: Political Correctness and my previous post.

        @Palpy - I understand where you're coming from. Unfortunately, the Nazis really *want* you to go to war with them. It'll start the Great Race War and even if they individually die, they'll know there's some closet racist out there who will be inspired to take their place and kill a few good black people.

        Ultimately, if you're not with them when it comes to creating a nation of "clean" folks, they'll kill you to make it happen. Whatever it takes.

        You might be interested in researching Life After Hate, a support group founded by an ex-neo-Nazi, Christian Picciolini. He has an informed opinion on the topic, more than I can say for 99% of people, myself included.

    12. td97402

      Re: Political Correctness "key words" and "tricky phrases"

      Bob says: “Trump told the truth about BOTH SIDES being wrong.“

      My reply is that violence to advance hate and bigotry is no virtue and violence to fight hate and bigotry is no vice.

      The two sides are not both wrong. You espouse a false eqivalence and thereby give cover to the Nazis, KKK and their ilk. It actually makes you one of them.

    13. PapaD

      Re: Political Correctness "key words" and "tricky phrases"

      So, by this logic

      During the second world war, the allies were as much to blame as Hitler and the Nazis, for not just accepting their hateful rhetoric, invasions and general destruction of everything we hold dear.

      And to not condemn this kind of rhetoric is a tacit acknowledgement of it as acceptable.

      This is not an alt-let/alt-right thing, this should be an everyone vs a hateful/racist minority.

    14. Tom 38

      Re: Political Correctness "key words" and "tricky phrases"

      You don't turn up to a peaceful rally wearing combat gear and carrying assault rifles. I'm just saying, that's an unpeaceful rally.

      Trump isn't a racist because he burns crosses, or uses pejorative racist language; he is a racist because he gives his tacit approval to those who do by refusing to condemn them. This isn't speculation, it is what these fascists themselves reported after he first spoke on the matter on Saturday - encouraged and relieved.

  7. TrumpSlurp the Troll
    Trollface

    Daily Stormtrooper?

    Couple of newspapers here could use that site if it is going free.

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