Intel CEO Krzanich quits Trump's Manufacturing Council over response to Charlottesville rallies

Better understanding, sir RS, is all very well.

But violent racism must be met with committed strength, not flowers. We understand quite a lot about fascist and race-supremacy movements, and one of the things we should by now understand is that resistance -- in the strongest possible terms -- is utterly necessary early on.

The West watched Germany in the 1930s. After the brownshirts march, then comes Kristalnacht. Then the "race cleansing" and war. (And yes, when speaking about the Nazis in the US, Godwin's Law is formally and officially suspended -- by Godwin himself.)

Right now in America the brownshirts are badly outnumbered. But they are emboldened by Trump and his white supremacist whacko, Bannon. With phantom support from the President of the United States, it is absolutely urgent that the rest of America shout the racists down. Knock them down. Kick them while they are down. And make sure they and their racist delusions never crawl up out of the gutter.

There is no solving the problem of hatred permanently, I think. The multiple bell curves of human variability guarantee that there will be some hate-obsessed people among us. Some will find each other; some will be loners forever. Yes, we should understand that they are emotionally disabled. More to be pitied than censured -- as individuals. As a social movement, as a growing force working against social harmony and justice, they must be opposed. With absolute determination.

Re: all it needs now

You equate Nazis and left wing actions as equal?

GTFO.

Re: all it needs now

Wasn't it something like 2:1 first responders and police to protestors yet it took seven minutes to get anyone close to the car attack?

The police were stood down so that it could kick off, it kicked off, now MSM are running the narrative.

I know this site is biased but I had hoped from greater scrutiny and even interest from those who comment, it's too easy know what we should think from peers rather than taking the time to gather all the information available.

I often wonder how things went the way they did at the start of world war two. I do now know, it is hard work questioning what we are told, the answer may not be black or white and we may need to leave the warm comfort of the crowd.

Re: all it needs now

> Antifa

Where did this term come from all of a sudden? Could it be the right-wing media decided that "anti-fascist" sounds too much like they might be the good guys? Obviously they want us to consider them the baddies, but I see how that'd require some sleight of hand, since the other side are, you know, actual fucking nazis.

> BLM

Another meme I've found interesting, equating BLM with the white supremacists. You'll notice that they are not proposing to make the US a black-only nation or even to take away civil rights for all but the black. It's not a black-supremacy organization and so the equivalence, as they say, is false.

Knock it off, will you? The sheets are showing.

Re: all it needs now

1. The Unite The Right people were protesting the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee, which has been in place for over 100 years.

Right, anytime in the past 100 years any person of any colour could just roll up and protest about the statue and what it represented. Unite the right were not protesting they were acting as agent provocateurs so that they could could represent themselves as the victim

2. They had obtained all the permits required for their protest.

Did the permit request say they were going to bring Nazi flags and armed militia?

3. The violence was initiated by Antifa and BLM counter-protesters - who had no permits to protest and came tooled-up for the violence.

There is no way you can say that. This follows the usual far right play book. Turn up to an area in the maximum provocative manner, encourage counter protest and then act like the aggrieved party. It is direct from the kristallnacht where any resistance to these assholes is used as an excuse for more extreme violence.

Note only one side had a armed militia and only one side had deaths and serious injuries. What makes it worse is the leader of the 'free' world playing along with the playbook.

Interestingly, the police made very little effort to keep protest groups separate - almost as though the leftie govenor of the state wanted it that way, so he could decry all the 'right-wing violence'. Unfortunately, that politcally motivated ploy allowed the violence to get so out of hand that people died.

Another direct excerpt from the far right play book. Police stand back, its a left conspiracy . Police go in, it is a conspiracy to deny us our freedom of speech. The police were in a no win situation as soon as they turned up. Fox news will make sure of that

Trump decried the violence on both sides at the outset as there was plenty of blame to go round. However, that wasn't what our mainstream media, who have their own left wing agenda, were interested in. Hence the pressure to only blame one side. Have you even seen mention of Antifa or BLM? The coverage I have seen would lead you to think the only people there were Nazis.

People turned up with swastikas, for christ sake and paraded around shouting seig heil and you seem surprised the other people were upset?

The violence was purely orchestrated by provocation from one side. They had every right to protest the removal of a statue, but the manner chosen was specifically to ensure maximum provocation. The fact was they wanted violence because it played into their world view as a down trodden minority. Trump showed what side he was on. Just imagine what his reaction would of been if it had been a Muslim driving a car into alt-right protester rally. Would he be saying, oh well there was violence on both side? Of course bloody not

I have no sympathy for the Nazis there,

then stop making excuses for them

but I am wary of the complete airbrushing of both Antifa and BLM - both of whom are quite happy to use violence and property distruction to get their way. Left wing extremists should be held equally accountable for their violence.

Let me repeat. One side drove a car through a bunch of other people killing a paralegal who was peacefully protesting a group of right wing thugs dressed in Swastikas and you feel responsibility is equally held? I guess you would be one of those in 1930's saying "I don't agree with Hitler, but those Jews had it coming"

If you are interested at all in truth, I suggest you watch raw footage on YouTube. There is plenty of it. You may well come to different conclusions than those the media want you to draw.

and how do you know what is raw and which is doctored? How do you put the footage in context without knowing who took it? Funny thing about truth, is that everyone thinks its absolute, but is in fact relative