I'm expecting the true irony to occur when the owners of the website start suing on the grounds of discrimination.
GoDaddy gives white supremacist site its marching orders after Charlottesville slur
Domain name retailer and hosting outfit GoDaddy has given a right wing web site that describes itself as “The World's Most Genocidal Republican Website” 24 hours to find a new hosting company. GoDaddy's decision came after activists pointed out that a site called The Daily Stormer made extraordinarily vulgar and disparaging …
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Monday 14th August 2017 13:59 GMT Anonymous Coward
Do hosting providers even comb through their list of millions of domains to find ones that might be problematic? They might have a site showing ISIS videos, but unless they have a way for people to report them and act on the reports by having someone check them...
It won't matter in the long run, if nothing else some Nazis with a little money will buy a small hosting provider and offer a home to all their hate. There's no way to really be rid of it.
I think it is simultaneously hilarious, ironic and sad that the "doxxing" technique the right wing extremists have been using against various targets is being used against them. There's a Twitter feed where pictures from Charlottesville are being checked and Nazis named and shamed. I saw last night already one lost his job as a result. Hopefully more will follow. At least the KKK feared the consequences enough to wear hoods. These guys are so proud of their views they aren't, but in the days of facial recognition that's probably not a good idea. I wonder if the FBI set up shop there to take pictures of the crowd? Surely a few of those nutjobs are wanted, and could be arrested on the spot.
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Tuesday 15th August 2017 08:04 GMT MK_E
I saw a fantastic rant on this subject that can be summed up simply as "you can't just be a weekend nazi".
You want to show up to a klan rally on saturday and go back to work on monday and stand around the watercooler like nothing happened?
If you don't want your life to be ruined by being seen throwing nazi salutes at a tiki-torch-waving far-right gathering and now nobody wants to associate with you or the rest of your citronella mob buddies, then maybe don't show up to a far-right gathering and throw nazi salutes in the street.
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Tuesday 15th August 2017 14:33 GMT Alan Brown
"It won't matter in the long run, if nothing else some Nazis with a little money will buy a small hosting provider and offer a home to all their hate"
It'd be easier to deal with if they did. How many people remember AGIS?
http://www.internetnews.com/isp-news/article.php/313771/AGIS+Backbone+Buckles.htm
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Monday 14th August 2017 15:13 GMT Anonymous Coward
GoDaddy has given a right wing web site...
Some have since pointed out that the right wing site uses Cloudflare as its content distribution network,...
Hatred is not right- or left-wing. Hatred knows no politics, it exists for its own sake. It just attaches itself to whatever is convenient.
IMO, those who use the actions of "hate" for the purposes of scoring political points, is attempting to benefit from hate. That absolutely and totally disgusts me.
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Monday 14th August 2017 22:10 GMT Anonymous Coward
@AC - "hatred knows no politics"
Not quite true. No one denies these guys are right wing extremists, just like the BLM protestors who rioted last year were left wing extremists.
The problem isn't calling that out, but those on either side who try to equate the statements/actions of the extremists on one side with the mainstream on that side. When you see comments with terms like "racist" or "libtard" or other inflammatory language being used, you know that 1) this person lacks any functional reasoning ability and 2) they are the very extremists that allow extremists on the other side to hold up as an example "see, this is what everyone in his group is like!"
It would be nice if hate was apolitical, but that's not the reality. There are hate groups on the right like those who came to Charlottesville to protest removal of a statue, and there are also hate groups on the left. Just like there are terrorists who claim to speak for Islam, as well as terrorists who claim to speak for Christians. It is up to the organizations these people claim to speak for to clearly and repeatedly denounce and disown them. Not that this be heard by the extremists on the other side who will continue to falsely claim those hate groups / terrorists speak for the entire political party / religion, but it will help insure they are believed by fewer people.
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Monday 14th August 2017 06:15 GMT Winkypop
Good for you El Reg
"The Register chooses not quote or link to the site's remarks, on grounds that it is difficult to imagine more insensitive language being used to describe a recently-deceased person, or a more sexist depiction of a woman being used under almost any circumstances."
Truly sad for everyone else.
Trump's America?
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Monday 14th August 2017 08:52 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: RE : Brexit
"Forget about the UK, the place is fucked."
Nigel Farage has said he is shocked by the salutes that were given - otherwise he supports Trump's speech.
If you Google "Farage" and "riots" you will see his history of
encoupredicting violence from similar factions in the UK over similar issues if BREXIT was stopped.
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Monday 14th August 2017 08:23 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: RE : Brexit
"[...] and I'm still very much pissed off about it and those who voted for it."
They were entitled to their vote. They had their reasons.
The blame lies with the MPs who caved in and turned the result into a mandatory action - and the unbelievably hard line being taken about the implementation. In a representative democracy MPs were supposed to think and debate carefully about the potential effects.
Matters of constitutional importance should require a threshold that shows an overwhelming majority support the motion. Narrow majorities are a recipe for chaos.
It is reported that there is now controversy over the composition of the parliamentary committee which will decide which parts of the Great Repeal Bill will not be debated by MPs. Teresa May is claiming a one seat majority - but that is based on the pre-election number of MPs. A recalculation says they should now be in the minority on the committee.
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Monday 14th August 2017 12:52 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: RE : Brexit
Haku: "[...] and I'm still very much pissed off about it and those who voted for it."
AC: "They were entitled to their vote. They had their reasons."
I don't see that Haku was disrespecting anyone's *right* to have that vote. However, he's under no obligation to be happy about that decision or to cooperate with it, nor to respect people for the choice they made, regardless of their "reasons".
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Monday 14th August 2017 11:03 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: RE : Brexit
"We were told before Brexit that if it happened it would dominate UK news for a generation.
That's starting to look like the understatement of the century."
Well, yeah. When that statement was made, I'm sure it was at least assumed that competent people would have been in charge, the exact plan would be laid out (and possibly even voted upon) before Article 50 was triggered, and that we'd have spent the first few months after it was triggered pushing forward with known negotiation plans. Instead, we had rats fleeing the ship, Article 50 triggered before anyone could work out what "Brexit means Brexit" actually meant, we spent the first few months of negotiation time on a failed attempt at getting a Tory mandate, and now that that's failed we still don't know what's actually being discussed, if anything.
People will be talking about it until at least after the dust has cleared and we can properly survey the ashes - and possibly for a few generations after that. If the worst that will happen is a bunch of morons who voted for it whining that they're being reminded of their vote (despite not really knowing what the "it" they voted for was), they should count themselves very lucky.
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Monday 14th August 2017 09:11 GMT MonkeyCee
Re: RE : Brexit
"Is there an internet law or adage for the needless or blatant mention of Brexit in a discussion forum???"
It's a discussion about a right wing propaganda website being being dumped by it's hosts because it's content a) went too far and 2) has attracted a lot of publicity.
Turns out there is quite a large overlap between neo-fascists and brexiters. They've bought into the idea that their country/privileges have been taken away from them (equal rights for wenches and darkies! But what about my right be oppress them!!!) and that the only people who can save them are $Strong_Man. In order to eliminate all these enemies of the people, $Strong_Man needs to be given greater powers. Anyone who opposes giving more powers is also enemy of people....
You might as well complain about Godwin's law too. Not a lot of water between the actual nazi's, and these wannabes. Well, the wannabes are pretty snowflake like, whining that after they've been hitting people with sticks, antifa turns up sticks, and violence belongs to the white master race damnit....
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Monday 14th August 2017 09:37 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: 'scum in the shadows'
The brexit vote didn't suddenly make people racist or even openly racist, they have always been like that, the "anti-brexit" and "anti-trump" press are just making a big deal about it where before it was under reported.
Are these all new groups? Did their rallies get reported previously?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organizations_designated_by_the_Southern_Poverty_Law_Center_as_hate_groups
No.
Do I agree with Brexit or Trump?
No.
However I'm getting a bit pissed off with the bullshit rhetoric.
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Monday 14th August 2017 10:09 GMT Dan 55
Re: 'scum in the shadows'
The brexit vote didn't suddenly make people racist or even openly racist, they have always been like that
Bollocks. Brexit and Trump did make it more acceptable to be openly racist in the UK and US. Figures about hate crime reports to the police before and after the referendum back that up.
Note: Nobody's claiming the results turned non-racists into racists. That would be stupid.
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Monday 14th August 2017 10:28 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: 'scum in the shadows'
@Dan 55
Going to have to disagree with you I'm afraid and without wishing to be the bearer of bad news but racism and hate crime have been rising year on year for a long time before the referendum.
That's the difference between under reported and reported, it gives a false impression that something has changed rather than just the change of focus.
I would even go so far as to blame the mainstream press for making it more acceptable to be racist by over reporting incidents and putting into peoples mindsets (those that think that way) that if others are doing it then it's ok. You could even look at it from the point that by showing people it is wrong (which is clearly is) and that you can report it then people are now rightly reporting all incidents where before they did not.
Trump is an arsehole however as with the link, these groups have been around a lot longer than trump and have clearly had many more rallies that were never reported.
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Monday 14th August 2017 11:17 GMT Dan 55
Re: 'scum in the shadows'
@AC:
Press Association:
Hate Crime Soared To Record Levels In Most Areas After Brexit Vote
Huff's article based on that PA report:
Brexit Hate Crime Rise Statistics Reveal Most Areas Affected
People used the Brexit vote “to legitimise inexcusable racism and prejudice”.
BBC article has nice bar charts:
'Record hate crimes' after EU referendum
Paul Nuttall's response:
Paul Nuttall claims spike in hate crimes following Brexit is 'fabricated'
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Monday 14th August 2017 11:56 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: 'scum in the shadows'
I think you're missing the point, these things have been going on for a long time and trying to blame brexit is false. I think I've made my point with the link about the rise in racism due to 9/11.
Next year it will be something else that makes the mainstream press report it, Ad infinitum.
I'm also really struggling to understand why seemingly intelligent people get swept up in the dogshit taco that the mainstream press serves up on a daily basis. These fuckwit facists have absolutely fuck all to do with supreme wanker trump, in fact they probably hate him, lets be honest they aren't going to be impressed with his son in law and main adviser who is jewish. Do people think these right wing nut jobs pick and choose which non-white christian people they hate? Do people really think they have only just appeared since Trump got into power? How quaint, I'll stick to the real world where all this shit has been going on for years and the only reason it's getting reported like it is now is because those that own the press have spat their toys out of the pram.
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Tuesday 15th August 2017 02:08 GMT Pompous Git
Re: 'scum in the shadows'
"The MSM doesn't inform any more, if it ever did"
Thomas Jefferson:"Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day...
I will add, that the man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them; inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors. He who reads nothing will still learn the great facts, and the details are all false."
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Monday 14th August 2017 15:45 GMT Rob D.
Re: 'scum in the shadows'
@Dan 55
Handy references and add this one which has a stab at discussing possible causes as well. The consensus view does appear to be that while other factors would have been at play (increased awareness, increased reporting, seasonal increase, increased willingness of victim to describe something as a hate crime), there probably was an actual spike in hate crime for a few months after the EU Referendum vote. No idea whether someone has looked at why.
https://fullfact.org/crime/hate-crime-and-eu-referendum/
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Monday 14th August 2017 14:14 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: 'scum in the shadows'
They were entitled to their vote. They had their reasons.
The blame lies with the MPs who caved in and turned the result into a mandatory action - and the unbelievably hard line being taken about the implementation. In a representative democracy MPs were supposed to think and debate carefully about the potential effects.
Matters of constitutional importance should require a threshold that shows an overwhelming majority support the motion. Narrow majorities are a recipe for chaos.
The problem at heart, is that well off people systematically ignored the concerns of less well off people. Their views were dismissed, their problems ignored. Simply put, Immigration has been wonderful if your in the top 50% of the population by wealth. The buying power of your money has increased and hiring people has become cheaper. If you own multiple houses then the population increase has pushed house prices, and rent income from your By To Let portfolio has gone up massively.
If your in the bottom 50% of the population, then you have seen your wages fall while your cost of living (housing etc) has increased beyond the point that people in the bottom 50% of our society can afford, and possibilities for career progression have become non existant as employers don't bother doing training any more as they don't give a stuff about staff development and retention because there is a huge que of people willing to work on the minumum wage. As a result for many people, the minimum wage has become the effective maximum wage and this is due to an excess of labour. If there was an actual shortage of labour then wages would increase from the minimum wage.
The Guardian has covered that we have hit a historical high of people living with their parents into their 30's, as they simply can't afford their own housing and are priced out of starting their own families unless they want to live off of benefits. Given no reason to vote "remain" it should hardly be surprising that these people voted "leave".
Winning the referendum in favour of "remain" was entirely possible, had the "remain" campaign not have been throughly incompetent and offered hope to these people, instead of offering fear, division and hatred. I contend that if the issues over one half of the voting population cared about had of been addressed then it should have been possible to persuade at least one percent more to vote remain.
Even after the event, then it might have been possible to mend fences and possibly talk about addressing issues such as a chronic shortage of housing and an oversupply of labour whilst remaining in the EU. However, the remain campaigns far extreme fringe has throughly sabotaged this with their cry of "EVERYBODY WHO VOTED LEAVE IS RACIST AND THE RESULT SHOULD BE REVERSED BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE IT AND WE ARE MORE INTELLIGENT THAN THE PLEBS!!1!!1!".
Imagine that you were part of the "leave" crowd, would this persuade you to:-
A) Consider quietly and rationally discussing ways of improving your economic position with the "remain" crowd with a view to finding a way to improve things in their lives without leaving the EU.
B) Demand Brexit be implemented immediately in line with the referendum result.
The brexit vote didn't suddenly make people racist or even openly racist, they have always been like that, the "anti-brexit" and "anti-trump" press are just making a big deal about it where before it was under reported.
So put simply and moderately, this sort of post exemplifies why we are leaving the EU. A total failure of reasoning, rationality and a total disregard for the views of over half of the voting population. In a democracy where everybody gets a vote. This sort of rhetoric just hardens opinion, and that's absurdly stupid when you are actually in a minority to start with.
And by the way, claiming that everybody who doesn't agree with you have "always been racist" causes another problem. The lunatic fringe that are stupid enough to beleive beating up random people who look like foreigners on the streets on the streets is ok hear that the majority of the voting population are racist and agree with them, and think that they are a majority rather than a handful of nut jobs which makes them bolder. So please stop encouraging the actually racist extremist nut jobs?
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Monday 14th August 2017 20:49 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: 'scum in the shadows'
So put simply and moderately, this sort of post exemplifies why we are leaving the EU. A total failure of reasoning, rationality and a total disregard for the views of over half of the voting population. In a democracy where everybody gets a vote.
EU nationals, who in many cases have lived and contributed to the UK economy for years and have estabilished lives and ties in UK, were not allowed a vote. Likewise they are only allowed to vote in local elections, but not in general elections.
So not *everybody* gets a vote. Just sayin'.
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Tuesday 15th August 2017 19:16 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: 'scum in the shadows'
"EU nationals, who in many cases have lived and contributed to the UK economy for years and have estabilished lives and ties in UK, were not allowed a vote."
British nationals living in other EU countries for many years were also denied a vote on the BREXIT issue.
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Tuesday 15th August 2017 14:49 GMT Alan Brown
Re: 'scum in the shadows'
"As a result for many people, the minimum wage has become the effective maximum wage and this is due to an excess of labour. If there was an actual shortage of labour then wages would increase from the minimum wage."
There hasn't been a "shortage of labour" (apart from a couple of brief intervals 1914-18 and 1939-45) since the start of the 19th century.
What's changed is that a bunch of people ended up in the driving seat who saw they could profit from the tactic of blaming the jobless for being jobless instead of operating a proper nation which supported all its citizens. The UK and the USA are taking a detour into 17th-19th century mercantilism. That path has already been well and truely trodden. It doesn't end well, which is why it was abandoned over a century ago.
The USA has elected 3 Trump-like presidents over the last 240 years(*). It ended badly each time ie: a short term spike in markets followed by deep, drawn-out recessions)
(*) Twice in the 19th and once in the 20th century.
The problem with recessions and rebalancing of markets is that those badly affected are likely to flock to extremist views, blaming "the other" for their misfortunes, where that target is frequently pointed out by the real authors of the woes via the popular press. Sadly, the deluded victims can't stop looking at the Mighty Oz in order to pay some attention to the man behind the curtain.
There's a meme that welfare systems don't exist to keep the poor from starving, they're there to prevent the poor from rising up and murdering the rich. If that's true then the UK and USA establishments are following a dangerous trajectory.
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Monday 14th August 2017 17:54 GMT Marshalltown
Re: 'scum in the shadows'
...Brexit and Trump did make it more acceptable to be openly racist in the UK and US....
In fact, the ones who "caused" this were the lazy twits that stayed home and didn't bother to vote because they couldn't believe the issue was as close as it was. In the US a minority voted, and a bare minority won thanks to the peculiarities of the Electoral College. In the US one advantage of the First Amendment is that we can always watch the idiots slat the "I'm an idiot" label on their foreheads when they open their mouths. Unfortunately, there are other idiots who think know what someone else thinks is a bad thing, especially if they don't like what other thinks. The Right and Left are both like that and aren't about to sit down and talk about substantive issues since both sides run on faith in their convictions.
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Monday 14th August 2017 06:58 GMT Kevin McMurtrie
Cloudflare
They can move the domain to Cloudflare's bulletproof hosting too. Hopefully the SFPD or FBI gets around to raiding this "innocent proxy" one of these days.
Thumbs down for The Register supporting a proud service provider to e-mail scammers, fake pharma web sites, fake solar installer web sites, telemarketing scams, and pro-violence groups.
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