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US prosecutors demand data to unmask every visitor to anti-Trump protest website

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All around the world there must be tin-pot dictators saying to themselves, "if only our courts were as accommodating as the Americans".

Surely someone must have mentioned the 4th amendment to the Judge during his time at law school?

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The 4th Amendment died decades ago.

War on Drugs, dontcha know.

After that it was Terra-ists!

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Ken White? Well then...

If Ken White of Popehat fame thinks the Gov is up to something bad, then they probably are.

I mean, Ken can be a bit of an arsehole at times, but in my view he's usually correct about these sorts of things.

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I am currently debating whether to click on that link or not. On the one hand it might make their sifting job a bit harder if suddenly there were tens of millions of IP addresses in the log, On the other hand I wouldn't put it beyond them to take the trouble to ID everyone and put them on a travel watch list.

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(raises hand)

Ooh! Me! Me! Can you put me on the watchlist, just so that I can never be tempted (should I have a mental breakdown or similar) to go to the US?

I'd be interested to know - among the travel watchlist, and the immigration watchlist, and the list of people who are a certain religion etc. - how many people would voluntarily add themselves to such a list just to show the US quite how many people DON'T want to deal with their current shite.

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You may already be on the list, as may anyone else reading this story, if they use a browser which pre-fetches linked pages in case they are then viewed.

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Lists

I'm on the list (I think)

ESTA's were fine.

Was trying to check-in online and I got flagged. The rest of the family didn't. I asked and was told I was on "a list" and had to go through an extra hour of security checks...

Then, at the airport (both sides) - I get the extra checks (ballistics, everything).

Sadly - I've normalised it so turn up earlier to expect it now.

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I think "The Register" is already counted as an anti-Trump protest web site by the TLA (although possibly this hasn't been announced), and is watched.

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Best case they get their list of 10s of millions of IP addresses, but to what end? They then have to carve up the IP addresses to the relevant ISP, then submit request to each of the ISPs to translate the IPs into actual users - ignoring the fact that they wouldn't be necessarily the visitor to that page...

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Of course Trump's government will also ask...

For all the visitors to websites coordinating neo-Nazi protests, since those have actually promoted, threatened, and resulted in, violence, injuries and deaths.

Of course.

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Re: Of course Trump's government will also ask...

They might, you never know. That's the beauty of an reasonably independent law enforcement community.

And, depending on the sites, it'd still quite likely be unreasonable.

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Re: Of course Trump's government will also ask...

I see you have a Nazi downvoting you. Very sad.

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Re: Of course Trump's government will also ask...

I'm going to ask The Reg who is the phantom down voter. They spend the entire day looking for articles that have 0 and add one.

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Re: Of course Trump's government will also ask...

The ACME SPLAFFER could probably do this automatically, but I don't think it's creator would do that.

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Re: Of course Trump's government will also ask...

They already have that list, it's one of their donors list.

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Re: Of course Trump's government will also ask...

<quote>That's the beauty of an reasonably independent bought and paid for law enforcement community.</quote>

There!

FTFY!

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What's missing from this story?

So... has Dreamhost actually filed a motion, or whatever it is they need to do, to resist the order legally? Or are they just blogging about it and aiming for martyrdom?

I would have guessed that legal channels would stand a good chance of success in this case, but only if they're correctly pursued. "The court of public opinion", while entertaining, is not really the most appropriate jurisdiction for the case.

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Re: What's missing from this story?

So... has Dreamhost actually filed a motion, or whatever it is they need to do, to resist the order legally? Or are they just blogging about it and aiming for martyrdom?

Well, since you've presumably actually read that blog post, you'll know that they have made an appropriate legal response. As well as blogging to inform the general public about how their government is trying to suppress any political dissent.

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I did my bit. Anyone else?

That is, visit the site. Maybe we can get it to a billion IP addresses?

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Re: I did my bit. Anyone else?

That is, visit the site. Maybe we can get it to a billion IP addresses?

Not very likely if the visiting populance are just el-reg types - you want to get someone with a large twit or FB following to post the address - tell them it's a link to some outrageous new Kardashian story - or celeb porn - whatever...

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Re: I did my bit. Anyone else?

Maybe we can get it to a billion IP addresses?

IP addresses with no other information mean nothing, so I'd expect there to be time stamps and activity logging. Even the dumbest of NSA analysts would be able to sort the data and ignore everything after a given time. Ringleaders will not be the latecomers.

But you might find that they pass the foreign IP addresses of shit-stirring latecomers onto US immigration, in case you one day choose to visit The Land Formerly Known As The Land of the Free. And if you're living in a Five Spies country, your domestic security services will happily identify you to the Yanks.

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Re: I did my bit. Anyone else?

Logs have timestamps, so unless you've gone back in time and clicked back in January, then you've done nothing.

This is an IT news website FFS, how can any reader not understand the concept of web server logging with datestamps?

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In my newsfeed 'highlights' today

Donald Trump

North Korea

Charlottesville

Kim Jong-un

Taylor Swift

Jon Snow

Neo-Nazism

Ku Klux Klan

Daenerys Targaryen

Eastwatch

This is 2017, right?

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Re: In my newsfeed 'highlights' today

The morons in the US voted for Trump. What did you expect.

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Re: The morons in the US voted for Trump. What did you expect.

Actually, they didn't. That may be the worst part of the whole mess is that for the POPULAR vote, AKA how PEOPLE actually voted, Hillarious won. But because the USA is such a shining example of democracy, Trumped-Up won the election even though he LOST the vote of the people thanks to the antiquated and highly debatable institution known as the Electoral College. It isn't even the first time that this has ever happened, but definitely this time around has the most dire consequences.

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Re: In my newsfeed 'highlights' today

This is 2017, right?

Yes, 2017. The year when the most appealing people in your newsfeed are fictional hereditary rulers wielding power by sword and dragon.

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Re: The morons in the US voted for Trump. What did you expect.

Don't worry, the UK voting system is equally fucked and with the the new electoral borders, they are even more corrupted

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Re: The morons in the US voted for Trump. What did you expect.

You see, that's all the US needs...Jeremy Corbyn to come and sow the seeds of peace.

He can share a podium with the KKK and any bat shit crazy white supremacist group and refer to them as his friends...because as we know, all issues and groups just need to be talked to calmly and they'll soon see the error of their ways!

Can you imagine if Maybot had ever said "friends from the KKK"?

Thank fuck for boundary changes if it keeps that bearded twat out of power and his cabal of evil Stalinists.

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Re: The morons in the US voted for Trump. What did you expect.

Wow, you are the second troll on this discussion. I salute you!

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Re: The morons in the US voted for Trump. What did you expect.

"Thank fuck for boundary changes if it keeps that bearded twat out of power and his cabal of evil Stalinists."

So you're not a believer in democracy then?

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Re: The morons in the US voted for Trump. What did you expect.

" but definitely this time around has the most dire consequences."

Really? The last time millions of people died half way around the world from the US.

Whilst this situation has the *potential* to be much worse, it hasn't actually happened yet.

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Re: The morons in the US voted for Trump. What did you expect.

last I checked, the Corbyn machine was all set to call any result that wasn't to its liking as "rigged" (just like they do in other tin pot dictatorships or countries). That man and his idiotic advisers respect characters like Chairman Mao and Joseph Stalin...characters who are not known for their love of democracy...in fact I'd go further: they're known for heartlessly massacring vast swathes of their own populations...but hey...maybe I am just being revisionist...I am sure Seamus Milne or Diane Abbott can set me straight and "make the case" for Mao and Stalin.

The boundary changes are to improve democracy, not to destroy it...but it still pleases me that it fucks over beardy and his merry men (and one token woman).

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Re: The morons in the US voted for Trump. What did you expect.

"The boundary changes are to improve democracy, not to destroy it"

To give an example how fucked they are.

Our village (yes village, not town) was split about 70/30

The 70 percent were allowed to vote for the local parish councilors all of whom live in the village. The other 30% had to vote for the neighboring town, the winner of which lives 20 miles from that town, let alone the village.

Yes that makes sense.

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Re: The morons in the US voted for Trump. What did you expect.

Bound to be some anomalies...

http://boundarycommissionforengland.independent.gov.uk/2018-review/

The changes are not partisan however...no matter what your average Che loving Corbynista says, the commission in charge of these changes is not run by baby eating, child abusing, pig molesting Tory scum. Unless you believe anybody who disagrees with anything JC says is classified thus, in which case you are lost anyway.

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Re: In my newsfeed 'highlights' today

They didn't have a choice. Everyone else in either party was far worse. Hard to believe, I know; but true.

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Ooops

I clicked!

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Re: Ooops

Off to the reeducation centre to be sprayed orange and made to study The Art of the Deal!!

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Re: Ooops

What do they do to your hair at the reeducation centre?

Or do they just torture you until you say "the hair is wonderful"?

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Re: Ooops

Off to the reeducation centre to be sprayed orange and made to study The Art of the Deal and force-fed a double portion of vanilla ice cream with chocolate cream pie through the nose!!

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The clue is in the domain name

The domain name has disrupt, as in stop, hinder, interfere with, the inauguration in its name. That's a bit more than free speech and anything against the president is a crime, be they right wing or left wing.

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Re: The clue is in the domain name

What do you mean "anything against the president is a crime"?

It is a crime if they are trying to harm the president. It is not a crime to hate the president, protest the president, say mean things about the president, or anything else connected with the president other than trying to harm him or his family.

I'll bet 95% of those who think the president should somehow be protected from criticism and protest did not hold that view when Obama was president.

If they investigate and find that some people were planning to destroy property or commit other crimes then that's a crime and they can be prosecuted. But being "against the president" is not and should never be a crime, even if Trump would make it a crime if he could.

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Re: The clue is in the domain name

To add a quote in support ...

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

Theodore Roosevelt

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Re: The clue is in the domain name

Indeed.

One of the defining characteristics about many of the places I don't consider fit for living is that they have laws on the books criminalising criticism of the ruling party (while often including 'democracy' somewhere in their name). (As an aside; add places where 'blasphemy' is on the rule books, for exactly the same reasons - the only difference between a king and a god is that you have a chance of getting rid of a king.)

Which sounds wonderful for the mythical 'honour' of the country - hey, we don't like people who are rude about the king, do we? - but is more practically an admission that every member of the government's opposition, or anyone who even expresses an opinion that they are not living in the best of all possible worlds because of some government decision, is fair game for trail, arrest, incarceration, or death - not necessarily in that order.

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Re: The clue is in the domain name

"Patriotism is to support your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it."

-Mark Twain

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Re: The clue is in the domain name

"they have laws on the books criminalising criticism of the ruling party"

Those countries including England (only for non-citizens since 2010) and Canada. Australia until 2010.

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Re: The clue is in the domain name

"The domain name has disrupt, as in stop, hinder, interfere with, the inauguration in its name. That's a bit more than free speech and anything against the president is a crime, be they right wing or left wing."

Ooooh, The Axe, you're SO right! AARP, the American Association of Retired Persons, has a WHOLE WEBSITE called "Disrupt Aging", where we are indoctrinated in things like healthy eating and exercise to stay fitter. We are obviously dangerous radicals, and need to be monitored carefully! In fact, I'm so fired up, my next jewelry line (I'm a jewelry craftsperson) will be called "Disrupt Pearls" and obviously will be dragged off the art fair table to incarceration. Free the Beads! Or, string us up, if you prefer....

That's my husband in the pic at right, you didn't have a crone icon.

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Hopefully this is deemed unconstitutional, but it shows just how dangerous a combination of data mining and an authoritarian government can be.

If it's allowed to stand, I really would worry about the future of the USA as a functioning democracy, as this would have a massive chilling effect on freedom of speech. You would have to think about potential implications of every website you visited. That's pretty much how people have to behave in authoritarian states like China and really is contrary to reviving the USA would claim to be.

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"You would have to think about potential implications of every website you visited."

You mean you don't already?

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So, Trump now wants to jail the people who don't like him ?

In America ? Seems like that shining beacon has rusted through and through.

On the other hand, he'll have largely enough forced labor to build that wall . . .

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The Handmad's Tale...

...begins...

And seriously, we're just on the edge of nuclear war between a paranoid closed police state and North Korea...?

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