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If Anonymous 'pwnd' the Daily Stormer, they did a spectacularly awful job

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The Daily Stormer may struggle to find another host.

I'm going to crack open a bottle when I get home tonight!

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Anonymous Coward

I upvoted you because things like the daily stormer have no place in society.

However I do wonder what is the cost of forcing these people underground?

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Re: Forcing the Underground

Ah, the ugly costs of "free speech".

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Re: Forcing the Underground

Pretty much, it's not so much the free speech but more the hidden aspect. Personally I'd rather have these arseholes in plain sight with intellectual debate so eventually they realise they are on the wrong path. The echo chamber is amplified when no one else is around.

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Re: eventually they realise they are on the wrong path.

I wouldn't hold your breath...

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Re: Forcing the Underground

Arguments with extremists rarely convince them to change their ways. In those situations, you argue to convince the audience.

Giving extremists the ability to speak in the open is often the best way to turn people against them.

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Re: eventually they realise they are on the wrong path.

"I wouldn't hold your breath"

Given what their spiritual ancestors did to Jews I think holding your breath around them would be a very wise move.

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" The Daily Stormer may struggle to find another host."

Doubtful.

I'm sure there's some ISP in Montana/Arkansas/North Dakota/South Dakota/Whatever run by like "minded" souls who will offer them sucre.

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Re: " The Daily Stormer may struggle to find another host."

Yup. Seems that Google has ended up with them. They must be diversifying.

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Heh... more likely humans at Google haven't noticed, and/or someone rational has decided that they haven't violated any terms of service YET.

Which is probably the right thing to do. I would hate for there to be a blacklist exercising pre-emptive restraint, because that will inevitably catch innocent people (e.g. people posting parodies that some dingbat doesn't realize are parodies.... it took me a few moments last night to figure out that http://www.officialmikepence.com/ is, err, not official.)

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Re: Forcing the Underground

Banning speech does little to stop the behavior and reinforces the group dynamic of these awful people by making them feel persecuted together (never mind the absurdity and irony of that - it's how people's brains work). In the long run, sunshine is the best disinfectant. Unfortunately, people would rather respond emotionally and indulge their feels - and notice everyone saying this feels the need to post anonymously because the world is full of people who think that defending the rights of assholes means you agree with them. Nope. It just means you have intellectual consistence and you understand that rules intended to attack assholes position will eventually be turned against regular people.

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Re: Optional

Google kicked them out already.

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Re: Forcing the Underground

"Arguments with extremists rarely convince them to change their ways."

Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

George Carlin 1937 - 2008

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@AC - "banning speech does little to stop the behavior"

A hosting provider refusing to host them is NOT banning speech. They have free speech, but no business is required to help them distribute their speech to the masses.

Let them find one that is willing to host them, and doesn't kick them out after they keep spewing hate despite the protests, and we get to watch with glee as their business falls apart once the 98% of their client base which is not sympathetic to the Daily Stormer's drivel flees!

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> "I upvoted you because things like the daily stormer have no place in society."

They do have a place in society. That place is on a bridge, facing down a 1974 ex-police Dodge Monaco piloted by Jake and Elwood Blues.

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Re: Forcing the Underground

Stormers speech isn't really being banned. Its only the DNS thats been switched off. The web site can still be reached via its IP address. I do tend to agree though that people should only ever be banned under extreme circumstances. I would love to see a lot more light shone on this site and its operator, Andrew Anglin. Especially him. Bet his neighbours would love to know more about him. Outing other people is a common tactic among those like him.

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"Illinois Nazis, I hate Illinois Nazis" :)

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Re: Forcing the Underground

I would have to think Anglin's neighbors already know about him. He probably lives in a rural area where people keep to themselves. Since nazis also tend to be heavy armed militia nuts, he's probably not a neighbor you want to get into a fight with. You ignore him, and secretly hope to see a lot of black SUVs filled with guys wearing FBI or ATF jackets come to town someday.

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However I do wonder what is the cost of forcing these people underground?

We know the cost of not putting them underground.

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Re: @AC - "banning speech does little to stop the behavior"

If you want to show up to a klan rally and need a ride, I'm not violating your rights if I refuse the use of my car. Simple as that.

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Re: eventually they realise they are on the wrong path.

> Given what their spiritual ancestors did to Jews I think holding your

> breath around them would be a very wise move.

Ah yes, because crappy jokes about millions being gassed to death are sooo funny.

Twat,

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Re: " The Daily Stormer may struggle to find another host."

"I'm sure there's some ISP in Montana/Arkansas/North Dakota/South Dakota/Whatever run by like "minded" souls who will offer them sucre."

Any such ISP will find themselves reminded of what happened to AGIS

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Bah!

I detect the powerful smell of mendacity, Big Go Daddy!

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If you're going to have free speech then unpopular speech needs to be protected just as much as popular speech (Voltaire and all that). If websites got shut down just because I didn't approve of them, there'd be no need for IPv6.

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But this does not qualify as free speak since their hosting company is the one shutting them down.

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Free speech laws only apply to government. Corporations are not government (yet).

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> ... unpopular speech needs to be protected ...

Suggest to visit the site and look at the article in question, have your barf bag ready. This is amongst the most vile shit I have seen in a long time. I'll not even try to indicate what you'll see.

Fun fact: Nazis like those are much less on the "free speech" side when in power. Indeed they have a certain tendency to kill you if they so much as suspect you not being on the party line. Sometimes together with your family, just for good measure.

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"If you're going to have free speech then unpopular speech needs to be protected just as much as popular speech (Voltaire and all that)"

Please, go away and read real Voltaire, not Internet Voltaire. He'd be the first one to be calling for the authorities to shut them down.

Voltaire was writing about opinions, not hatred. And he wanted all discussion to take place in an open and civilised manner between educated people. That meant that both sides had to be polite and mutually respectful. The far Right doesn't come near that. (Nor obviously does some of the far Left, but in this case that's irrelevant.)

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It's a shame your limited attention span only permitted you to read the first sentence of my post.

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That's because Voltaire was a stunning hypocrite. He assumed that he had the right to be provocative as he could be and suffer no consequences.

I understand that all heroes have feet of clay, but Voltaire...

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I do not understand why so many people seem to think "free speech" is being violated by this. Your right to free speech ends on my property line, or my servers in this case.

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They are free to speak whatever they like, I as a company owner have a certain latitude in whether I want my company associated with that speech.

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@Thoguht

If you're going to have free speech then unpopular speech needs to be protected just as much as popular speech

Again, xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1357/

The government didn't shut down DS. FFS, President Generalissimo Cheeto didn't even have enough balls to condemn it until he was forced to. For the most part, the Internet goes out of its way to protect speech. But you have to draw the line somewhere. Historical hint: Munich was not the line.

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For your information, GoDaddy was the domain registrar, not the host.

Quite a big difference.

Skipping the discussion of whether domain registrars should give a flying f*ck about what the domains they sell are used for, and whether content like the Daily Stormer should be allowed anywhere, I can note that the domain has already been transferred from GoDaddy (to Google! Probably not a coincidence...). Thus this is totally irrelevant. It might even have been totally irrelevant by the time the article was written. ('Updated' timestamp on the domain is 14:51 UTC and article is 14:23, presumably UTC, but it was pending transfer before that)

Really - El Reg, shouldn't you (plural) be able to tell the difference between a domain registrar and a web host? It's pretty basic stuff when reporting on web sites...

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Anonymous Coward

We at least need to give Google the chance to take them down.

I doubt they have a guy who sits there with the big red button waiting for the Daily Stormer to move DNS ...

But I would not be surprised if they let them be.

More traffic, more ads, more offshore accounts, more funding of shady political analysis/data cruncher outfits.

More Alt-right feel emboldened that they can just say any old hate hidden behind the 'free speech' bulldust.

Or feel they (Alt-right) should kill someone or at least walk around with assault rifles to threaten those who disagree.

I can smell the smoke of the piles of book burning, just like as it is 1930s Germany ...

Shame, this is meant to be the land of Liberty and the Free ...

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To be fair to El Reg, GoDaddy DO supply web hosting as well (for those who want a one-stop shop.

Agree that further journalistic investigation required to determine hosting company if different.

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go daddy does both.

https://www.godaddy.com/hosting#basictypes

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Not relevant, of course, since the same WHOIS lookup that told you GoDaddy was the domain registrar would've also told you who hosts their DNS, and that's not GoDaddy. The host of the DNS also happens to align perfectly with the IP addresses it belongs to.

If GoDaddy hosted the DNS, then the next step would - of course - be looking up the IP address to find the actual web host regardless.

Plus GoDaddy's domain registration business is significantly larger than their webhosting business, atleast in terms of number of domains. I would have slightly more understanding for such a mistake if it was about a company that's mostly known for doing web hosting and primarily register domains for their web hosting customers, but that's clearly not the case here. (And it would still be very sloppy.)

Not that I mind GoDaddy getting a bit of flak, since I personally have nothing but bad experience with them...

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Sorry El REg they didn't host it - I checked the beeb site and found the GD statement:

"The domain is no longer at GoDaddy and we don't host the site," the Arizona-based company tweeted at 17:51 BST.

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Terminator

I now have this fantastic image of Google Analytics engineers salivating over the data feed, shoveling it into their latest AI, turning the raw sewage into an essential safeguard for mankind!

"T1000, if you ever agree with any of these people, kill yourself"

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Considering how fast Microsoft's Tay was turned into a Nazi, I don't think we want to feed Daily Stormer content into Google Analytics!

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Genetics

I wonder how many people would still be racist after a genealogical DNA test?

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> ...still be racist after a genealogical DNA test?

Inbreds? ---------->

There is a video here where a white supremacist is confronted with the fact that he has black ancestors. It is very emotional 8^)

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Re: Genetics

For the most part, genealogical DNA testing of the sort offered by Ancestry.com etc is useless.

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Re: Genetics

Try to persuade the tin-foil-hatters/NRA supporters to take a DNA test without a warrant.

And then most will likely claim the DNA sample is contaminated in a sinister government ploy.

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Re: Genetics

Everyone has black ancestors if you go back far enough surely?

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Re: Genetics

At least one of the anti-semitic idiots found out that he was jewish, if my skim of the weekend's news was right.

(yes, it's not speled rite. no, i'm not correcting it.)

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Re: Genetics

We all have African ancestry. Every last one of us. The only difference is how far back in time our African ancestors were.

This racist idiot found out he had some African ancestry that was a little more recent than he thought it was. Oh the irony.

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What these numbskulls don't seem to understand is that in my *country we say "The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi".

* includes other regions

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