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TEPCO, the operator of Japan's stricken Fukushima nuclear power plant, has revealed photos of the facility's flooded interior. The company sent an aqua-bot into the Reactor Containment Container of Fukushima's Unit 3 last week, revealing grainy images such as the one below. Unit 3 Reactor Containment Container CRD Housing …

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  1. Sgt_Oddball
    Coat

    So..

    No sign of Blinky then?

    - Mines the one with 'Fishing times' in the pocket

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    You want Godzilla, this is how you get Godzilla (other Kaiju may appear instead)

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I want Mosura

    2. Steve the Cynic

      Wouldn't be Godzilla, though, because he came from the deep ocean and dragged up trilobites along the way.

      Just need an Oxygen Destroyer and we're all set.

      1. Ochib

        Dr. Serizawa white courtesy phone, Dr Daisuke Serizawa, white courtesy phone. No, the white phone

    3. Orv Silver badge

      Grinding for legendary Pokemon gets harder every year.

  3. Fred M

    Orange

    "images like the one below show nuclear fuel – possibly the orange blotches - spread around the debris"

    If the Simpsons have taught us anything, it's that nuclear fuel is green (and, if I remember correctly. that it's pronounced "nucular").

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Orange

      Perhaps Simpsons green looks rusty orange in the lighting condition in those pictures?

  4. wolfetone Silver badge

    Coming Soon

    Free X-Ray's at Fukushima!

    Just dip your body part in to the water and you're done.

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  5. Your alien overlord - fear me

    Grainy images?

    In this day and age? I thought they were reserved for pictures of UFOs and Bigfoot.

    1. silks

      Re: Grainy images?

      Probably grainy as the photo-enabled robots keep breaking down due to radioactivity levels - apparently breaking down much quicker than expected. Tough environment to take a photo there!

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Grainy images?

      And the fact that radiation messes with the optical sensor of the camera...

      1. Omgwtfbbqtime
        Boffin

        Re: Grainy images?

        Yup, whod've thunked it, a electromagnetic radiation sensor affected by high energy electromagnetic radiation.

        Mind, it is hard to get a filter for gamma rays that lets through visible light...

        1. oldcoder

          Re: Grainy images?

          A mirror works quite well for that... put the camera in a lead box with a view of the camera - then put a lead backing around the mirror.

          So long as there is no direct line between the camera sensor and the radiation source, visible light is appropriately filtered of radiation.

    3. adam payne

      Re: Grainy images?

      The radiation would be affecting the camera.

      Similar things happened when people were taking pictures at Chernobyl.

      1. Nolveys
        Boffin

        Re: Grainy images?

        Similar things happened when people were taking pictures at Chernobyl.

        That's why you don't use a camera to examine the elephant's foot, it's far better to use your tongue instead.

    4. Peter Clarke 1
      Holmes

      Re: Grainy images?

      Just give it to your fave TV Investigation Team and 'someone they know at NASA' will be able to get a perfect 10x12 photo of the perp from 4 pixels

    5. W4YBO

      Re: Grainy images?

      Just curious, but why wouldn't heavily leaded glass (old CRTs) work as a lens? Those were pretty good at blocking X-rays, but I don't have any idea what it would do with more energetic photons.

      1. Steve Hersey

        Raadiation energy is too high to shield with leaded glass

        The X-rays that got filtered out by ~1 cm of leaded glass in a CRT faceplate had energies of up to 25 KeV max. based on the TV's 25 KV anode voltage. That's pretty soft for X-rays.

        The radiation making it through the water at Fukushima (ignoring suspended or dissolved radionuclides for the moment) is essentially all gamma rays, with orders of magnitude higher energy than CRT X-rays. As a result, leaded glass lenses wouldn't block enough of it to notice.

        The other thing to keep in mind about radiation shielding, aside from having to shield your electronics from all angles, is that its effect is exponential rather than linear. If 1 cm of solid lead reduces exposure from a particular source by 50%, another 1 cm will only cut THAT dose by another 50% (= 25% of the original incoming dose), so twice the shielding thickness doesn't get you twice the effectiveness. Takeaway is this: Effectively shielding sensitive electronics from high radiation levels requires really bulky, massive hunks of stuff, or else staying far enough away that 1/R^2 is your friend.

      2. Michael H.F. Wilkinson Silver badge

        Re: Grainy images?

        It might help, but the radiation isn't just coming through the lens, I would guess. Adding enough shielding to block all gamma rays might be impossible due to weight constraints. The X-rays blocked by CRT tubes are rather less energetic than these gamma rays, I think (10s of keV vs >100 keV, AFAIK)

        Edit: I see I should speed-up my typing ;-)

        Doffs hat to Steve Hersey!

      3. bombastic bob Silver badge
        Boffin

        Re: Grainy images?

        the tenth-thickness for pure lead is about 1 inch. for leaded glass, several inches. 'Tenth thickness' refers to the amount of material it needs to cut radiation levels down to 1/10 of what they were without the shielding.

        "do the math" and I think you'll see that shielding could be effective, but not perfect.

    6. Tom Paine
      Coat

      Re: Grainy images?

      I hear there are whole websites devoted to them, actually.

      ...oh GRAINY pictures! My bad, reading too quickly...

  6. Peter Prof Fox

    Industrial strength endoscope?

    Surely rather than send in lots of electronics, you have a hydraulic tractor head controlled from a less hostile environment, a drag pipe and an inner optical fibre. The snake will surely have a lot longer life than a robot. Then your pipe remains there so you can go back again and again to monitor developments.

    1. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Devil

      Re: Industrial strength endoscope?

      actually, using a really long "snakeable" fiber optic cable with a lens on it might be the best solution...

    2. I.S.

      Re: Industrial strength endoscope?

      One issue with glass in radioactive environments is that it becomes opaque with exposure to ionizing radiation, and the higher the ionizing energy the quicker the darkening.

  7. Stevie

    Bah!

    Ooh! Argh! This is very bad! Badder than bad! Whoever is responsible should be dipped in boiling wait, this isn't the systemd bitchfest?

    As you were.

    1. hord

      Re: Bah!

      That's how you know how bad systemd is. It is so toxic it can be confused for radioactive waste on an industrial scale.

      As you were.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Bah!

        now, now gentlemen. Don't insult the toxic waste.

  8. Pen-y-gors

    Time for some clever industrial design.

    Obviously the challenges of getting anything to work in that sort of environment are horrific. But someone is going to have to think up the machines that can work there, otherwise how will they ever get it dismantled? I think we need some sort of international organisation that has lots of big and rugged machines that can cope with any environment, permanently at the ready to go to the rescue after some major emergency. Best locate it somewhere neutral, ideally near the equator. Nice tropical island somewhere?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Time for some clever industrial design.

      Are they actually planning to dismantle it, or will they try to entomb it like Cernobyl? If they dismantle it, they have the problem of transporting and storing many tons of highly radioactive waste. If they entomb it they don't have the transportation problem, and the storage problem consists of "let's keep this stuff where it is as much as possible".

      1. Orv Silver badge

        Re: Time for some clever industrial design.

        Are they actually planning to dismantle it, or will they try to entomb it like Cernobyl?

        Usually with reactors you *have* to entomb for a while, just to let radioactive decay reduce the activity of everything to levels you can handle. Entombing is much harder when the plant's already destroyed and contaminated, of course.

        Here's a more typical one we prepared earlier: http://www.hanford.gov/page.cfm/CReactor

        Under normal conditions they de-fuel the reactor, then remove/demolish all the auxiliary equipment and structures, leaving the core. They seal up the building openings and put a roof on it to keep the rain out. Then they wait 70 years or so for it to "cool" before they take it apart.

        1. the Jim bloke

          Re: Time for some clever industrial design.

          Problem with kids today, always wanting instant gratification.

          Put a fence around it (for given values of "fence"), and come back "when its done".

      2. Tom Paine
        Boffin

        Re: Time for some clever industrial design.

        Entombing isn't an option, due to the site's proximity to sea and local movements of (now highly radioactive) ground water. Fukashima is way more complex and difficult a situation than Chernobyl. Four reactors on site, for a start, three of which are basically rubble.

        Thank goodness all those UK and French reactors at sea level for easy access to cooling water won't have to worry about tsunami or rising sea levels during the lifetime of the onsite radioactive structures, eh?

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storegga_Slide

        https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/02/170215131551.htm

        Still, I'm sure it's nothing to worry about. After all, SLR stops dead in 2100, right? All the scenarios and charts do, anyway...

    2. Mark Dempster

      Re: Time for some clever industrial design.

      >Obviously the challenges of getting anything to work in that sort of environment are horrific. But someone is going to have to think up the machines that can work there, otherwise how will they ever get it dismantled? I think we need some sort of international organisation that has lots of big and rugged machines that can cope with any environment, permanently at the ready to go to the rescue after some major emergency. Best locate it somewhere neutral, ideally near the equator. Nice tropical island somewhere?<

      I think such an organisation would be much more focussed on saving lives, & not worry very much about cleaning up afterwards.

      1. PNGuinn
        Mushroom

        Re: Time for some clever industrial design.

        @ Mark Dempster

        Tropical Island, you say.

        Have you considered the dangers of mutant white cats?

        >>

    3. biscuit
      Joke

      Re: Time for some clever industrial design.

      I don't think this would go down well with some governments. At the very least there'd be strings attached.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Time for some clever industrial design.

        The reason there isn't good equipment that can deal with this is that all the manufacturers in the field have been concentrating their efforts on battle-hardened equipment that can deal with catastrophic failures in wind farms, solar farms, and tidal generation schemes.

        Oh... Wait a minute.... Never mind, more nuclear power in the UK! (let's site the bastards in the centre of London - that's where the power requirement is, after all)

        1. Tom Paine

          Re: Time for some clever industrial design.

          The nearest reactors to London are at Bradwell and Dungeness; working out how far those are from London, and the prevailing wind directions, are left as an exercuse for the chippy northern commentard...

    4. PNGuinn
      Mushroom

      Re: Time for some clever industrial design.

      Parker, go ask Brains If we should put pod 3 or pod 4 in the boot of the Rolls.

      After all, we wouldn't want to risk TB2 in that kind of environment.

      >>

  9. Francis Boyle Silver badge

    Fuke news indeed

    You promised me an insane robot, I demand an insane robot.

    1. b0llchit Silver badge
      Pint

      Re: Fuke news indeed

      It said "beep"... Once, just before it died.

      1. PNGuinn
        Alien

        Re: Fuke news indeed

        "It said "beep"... Once, just before it died."

        Diodes, I presume.

        Was It depressed?

        1. Robert Moore
          Thumb Up

          Re: Fuke news indeed

          "It said "beep"... Once, just before it died."<BR>

          Diodes, I presume.<BR>

          Was It depressed?<BR>

          Only the diodes on his left side.<BR>

          <BR>

          Thumb for obvious reasons.

  10. scrubber
    Mushroom

    Go nuclear

    Fukushima: the best advert for nuclear power ever.

    Outdated design, earthquake out with specs and the only issue was not having an air supply for emergency generators above the wave. And NO-ONE died! Modern facilities are ten times as safe and could withstand a plane strike. Nuclear power now!

    1. Orv Silver badge

      Re: Go nuclear

      What "modern facilities"? In the US our "newest" reactor was designed in 1973 and finally opened for production last year, using a design very similar to Fukishima's. This doesn't seem like an industry that is interested in moving forward.

      1. bombastic bob Silver badge
        Flame

        Re: Go nuclear

        "What 'modern facilities'? In the US our "newest" reactor was designed in 1973 and finally opened for production last year"

        ACK - the "no nukes" wanna-clue enviro-fascists have, unfortunately, been WAY too successful. you know, like THESE IDIOTS.

        I wonder if Trump will try to reverse that? I think he might...

        A power plant out on the west coast (San Onofre) was shut down because the N.R.C. refused to approve running it at reduced power while they solved problems with a "new design" boiler. They had 2 running reactors with this new boiler, but it rattled to much internally and one of them started to leak (the other was shut down for maintenance). So they shut down and investigated. It was looking like a design flaw, and they wanted to reduce power to keep one of them doing SOMETHING while they did a refit on the other unit, etc. (radiation that was being released was WAY below the legal limit). BUT... N.R.C. wouldn't let them. Because, ENVIRO WACKOS!

        So what did S.C.E. do? They CLOSED! THE! PLANT! ENTIRELY! laying off 100's of staff and leaving everything in-place as an ad hoc "radioactive storage site".

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Onofre_Nuclear_Generating_Station#Initial_shutdown

        This happened during the OBAKA administration, in case anyone wondered, 2012-ish.

      2. Public Citizen
        FAIL

        Re: Go nuclear

        The problem isn't with the Nuclear Industry, its with the bureaucrats who are mortally in fear of having a Fukushima Level Event in their backyard, and the hordes of pitchfork waving eco-phreak peasants who show up whenever the N Word is mentioned.

        1. Tom Paine
          Facepalm

          Re: Go nuclear

          Ahhh that poxy population who will insist on having opinions of their own. Time to end the disastrous democratic experiment!

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: could withstand a plane strike

      Yet according to NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) burning aviation fuel will melt steel and cause concrete to crumble. Then there's the Pentagon penetration, how many concrete walls did that plane punch through. So unless the 9/11 report is a work of fiction then surely every nuclear power plant is insanely vulnerable to this kind of attack?

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