Place holders
The new Place Holders feature in OneDrive required changes to NTFS to support the virtual files. I guess they assumed they couldn't support other file systems if Place Holders wasn't something you could just disable.
Windows Insiders with SD cards turn into OneDrive outsiders
Microsoft has tried to DoS its forum servers, by changing its OneDrive consumer policy to only support cloud backups of NTFS-formatted drives without warning users first. Unsurprisingly, that's lit up the forums with complaints, because people only found out when OneDrive popped up error messages. Windows 10 insiders copped …
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Thursday 6th July 2017 06:40 GMT Anonymous Coward
If this is all about Placeholders, here's one: The K Edition of Windows 10.
I have my Windows 10 folder/placeholder already created for the K Edition of Windows 10. We've already decided on the naming convention for the Oct/Nov 2017 release of Windows 10.
Why K-Edition?
Windows 10 F'CU, "K Ed.ition".
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Thursday 6th July 2017 04:18 GMT Anonymous Coward
Sky blue, water wet, MS fucking over customers...
It's like they WANT to piss their customer base off so bad that the customers go elsewhere.
Web cam works? *Apply update* Not anymore.
Microphone works? *Update* Not anymore!
File system works? *Update* Not anymore!
What's next, MS deciding to remove your networking device drivers as a "security measure to protect against hackers"? I'm sure THAT will go over well when their customers can no longer get online...
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Thursday 6th July 2017 04:25 GMT Nate Amsden
Re: Sky blue, water wet, MS fucking over customers...
I have been linux on the desktop/laptop since about 1997 now, wow has it been that long. But I still have a windows 7 VM and my main computer is still dual boot with windows 7 (one of the last laptops that sold with windows 7).
I have used a bit of windows 2012 (always quickly installed classic shell, though have no intention of using windows 10 as long as win7 still works. Shit, even my recent windows server deployments were all 2008R2(windows makes up less than 1% of my server infrastructure).
MS just seems hell bent on screwing power users over, it is quite unfortunate. I used to be hard core anti MS back in the 90s, but was getting to like them(even bought several copies of windows 7 and Visio) up until they started the windows 10 push.
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Thursday 6th July 2017 04:25 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Sky blue, water wet, MS fucking over customers...
"What's next, MS deciding to remove your networking device drivers as a "security measure to protect against hackers"?
I'm pretty sure it was during the Creator's update that a lot of the vendor's wifi card drivers were replaced with a generic Microsoft one that didn't work so well.
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Thursday 6th July 2017 09:48 GMT John Smith 19
"The entire philosophy of making Windows into a bad copy of Android is crazy. "
Ahhhhhhh.
The light dawns with the intensity of a nuclear weapon.
That's the reason for all this crazy s**t.
Microsoft are remembering the days when they were an effective monopoly.
The good old days (for Microsoft)
"We can do anything. We don't care if users don't like it. They'll whine a bit then do it anyway. Because we're Microsoft."
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Thursday 6th July 2017 06:53 GMT Mage
Re: Sky blue, water wet, MS fucking over customers...
You left out AUTOMATIC Win10 update that updated FIRMWARE and bricked Win10 x86 Tablets with keyboards used as Netbooks.
Not recoverable without special programming hardware and original firmware.
All of the MS "Cloudy" stuff seems to be a broken menace on a laptop / net book / x86 tablet used in traditional windows fashion to create / edit content.
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Thursday 6th July 2017 07:57 GMT Fibbles
Re: Sky blue, water wet, MS fucking over customers...
You forgot the anniversary update that messed up the partition table on dual boot systems. They subdivided the Windows partition to create a recovery partition but when rebuilding the partition table assumed anything with a filesystem that Windows doesn't native support was just empty space. Goodbye grub, goodbye Linux.
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Thursday 6th July 2017 07:48 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Sky blue, water wet, MS fucking over customers...
It's like they WANT to piss their customer base off so bad that the customers go elsewhere.
I'm getting the impression they merely want to filter out the recalcitrant sheep so they know what's left will accept anything. At which point prices will go up..
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Thursday 6th July 2017 14:35 GMT fobobob
Re: Sky blue, water wet, MS fucking over customers...
Had some twit at a datacenter (softlayer, pre-IBM) respond to a (not particularly terrible) DDoS attack by, in his own paraphrased/summarized words "drop protocol 6 to port 80 and protocol 17 to port 53". This was on an Arbor TMS, which has much more advanced attack mitigation capabilities than just knocking a shared (several hundred customers) webserver off of the Internet. Point is, assume incompetence followed by laziness in this case.
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Thursday 6th July 2017 04:21 GMT Anonymous Coward
This has been going on with Win10 for a couple years, Win8 too if I recall
One workaround was to format the SD card as NTFS, then use disk manager to assign it to an empty folder on the C drive. Not sure if it still works. I don't like syncing cloud services or backup services to SD cards. Windows has a funny habit of reassigning drive letters occasionally if a card pops out by accident. Could cause another external drive to be overwritten.
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Thursday 6th July 2017 05:08 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: This has been going on with Win10 for a couple years, Win8 too if I recall
Yes, but if you were going to dedicate the card for OneDrive sync, NTFS used to have some advantages over FAT32 and exFAT in terms of search speed, compression, large file size, security settings. I'm assuming things haven't changed much in that regard the past couple of years.
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Thursday 6th July 2017 07:03 GMT Anonymous Coward
"to other systems whether a camera, or something ??"
If you're using a card in a camera, you usually don't want anything else but the camera messes with the card contents. You usually copy files out of the card, but let the camera manage the card. Most camera software is not designed to cope with cards managed also by other systems, they usually follow "Design rule for Camera File system", and may not like alterations to its structure.
I would never attempt to sync a card used in a camera directly with OneDrive or anything alike (unless the camera has specific support), if a backup is needed copy the data to a OneDrive folder elsewhere.
Cards used elsewhere as portable disks are another matter.
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Friday 7th July 2017 15:23 GMT jelabarre59
Re: "to other systems whether a camera, or something ??"
I would never attempt to sync a card used in a camera directly with OneDrive or anything alike (unless the camera has specific support), if a backup is needed copy the data to a OneDrive folder elsewhere.
Exactly. Just load MobaXterm or Cygwin on that sucker, and rsync your OneDrive folder to the SD card.
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Thursday 6th July 2017 23:39 GMT bombastic bob
Re: This has been going on with Win10 for a couple years, Win8 too if I recall
"isn't the point of not using NTFS so the SD card is portable to other systems whether a camera, or something"
pretty much, yeah. Or a Linux computer, for that matter.
/me wonders if there will EVER be a 'user file system' (as in non-kernel), such as 'Fuse', but on winders, where people can pretty much do "whatever they want" just like in Linux and FreeBSD.
next, the ability to format exFAT or FAT or FAT32 will be removed...
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Friday 7th July 2017 15:29 GMT jelabarre59
Re: This has been going on with Win10 for a couple years, Win8 too if I recall
This is all well and good , BUT most cameras in fact I will say I have yet to see a camera that supports NTFS on a media card, so yay it works with windows, crap the camera can't use it anymore.
Cameras, tablets and media players should have just moved to EXT4 (or something similar) years ago. Adding native support to MSWin would be a simple matter of installing an IFS driver just *once*, and it would be usable regardless of the portable device it came from. Make a user-space application for those systems where you don't have the rights to install drivers. Again, just one portable r/w application would handle any device's memory card. So blatantly obvious there must be some bribery preventing it from happening.
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Thursday 6th July 2017 10:50 GMT Adelio
Re: Silly Question
Why are you using onedrive at all. Why are you trusting Micro$oft with your data. One day you will get a message saying that you have not clicked on enough advents and they are deleting all your one drive data!.
I have hundreds of gig of photos and the same with music. I back up to a local NAS drive. Much safer. Less likley that Microsoft will shaft it!
For me a cloud backup would be the LAST thing i would use.i.e. the least trustworthy.
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Thursday 6th July 2017 17:35 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Silly Question
"Why are you using onedrive at all. Why are you trusting Micro$oft with your data. One day you will get a message saying that you have not clicked on enough advents and they are deleting all your one drive data!"
Yeah - No. My company pays for some OneDrive storage, and also some DropBox. There's no "clicking on adverts". I've never heard of MS even employing such a system anyway. Apparently, using cloud services such as OneDrive and DropBox to sync data to agents in the field is important to my company. Imagine that.
However, I agree with your basic premise - I do nightly backups of the data in my care to disk. I don't trust any cloud provider that much.
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Thursday 6th July 2017 05:42 GMT Steve Davies 3
YAFGMFM
Yet Another Foot Gun Moment For Microsoft.
Will they ever learn?
I hope not as their antics provide endless enjoyment for the likes of those who comment here, MS FanBois excluded.
Didn't the Final FAT patents just expire? Perhaps that is a reason? I seem to remember reading that 2017 was the expiry time for those Patents.
If that is true then they don't their their tithes/usury/royalties from the SD Card makers and kit that uses SD cards, they are turning their attention to NTFS where the patent bandwagon still applies.
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Thursday 6th July 2017 06:14 GMT Ken Hagan
"even Redmond creations like the Resilient File System (ReFS) are blocked"
So yet another case of their right hand not knowing what their left hand is doing.
MS have looked for many years like they no longer have functioning management. Individual projects may roll out OK, but the bigger picture is lost. Two different control panels ever since Win8? Check. But that was 5 years ago, so surely it has been resolved by now. Oh dear. Patchy support even amongst the built-in utilities (like the aforementioned control panel) for hi-dpi displays ever since Vista. Check. But that was 10 years ago, so surely it has been resolved by now. Oh dear.
So if the entire senior management team falls over in the forest, does anyone actually notice?
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Thursday 6th July 2017 10:24 GMT Kevin Johnston
Re: if the entire senior management team falls over in the forest...
I would have thought the answer was obvious from the huge cheer bursting forth from said forest as the team bites the loam. People near the scene may spot a glimpse of the BOFH and PFY strolling away pints in hand smiling at a job well done.
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