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Microsoft recommends you ignore Microsoft-recommended update

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A new meaning to

"Clueless in Seattle" brought to you by Wiley E. Coyote.

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Re: A new meaning to

Really? Wile E. Coyote's only ever been a danger to himself.

I would have thought this Fustercluck more along the wiles of Larry, Moe, and Curly.

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Re: MS - Getting more like the inept

Keystone Cops every day.

A great laugh but honestly, they need to grow up and face the facts that their software testing is crap and they should stop releasing anything until they get that sorted out.

More like 'release and be dammed' than 'softly softly'.

Thr World of MS is full of danger. You have been warned.

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Re: MS - Getting more like the inept

... that their software testing is crap and they should stop releasing anything until they get that sorted out.

Didn't you get the memo? The users are the (paying) alpha/beta testers now. How can they NOT release anyting?

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Re: A new meaning to

you may have missed the point... Microsoft *IS* a danger to itself, if releasing 4.7 bricks one of its core server applications.

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Re: A new meaning to

The Three Stooges were competent compared to Slurp's ineptitude.

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@Captain DaFt, re: Wile E. Coyote.

I disagree. Mister Coyote is a danger to others, especially anyone walking at the bottom of the cliff he just fell off, once he reaches the bottom at terminal velocity.

*Chunky Salsa splatter*

Ewwwww... =-)p

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It's shit like this...

...that makes me want to drop a gigaton nuke on MS HQ.

You rolled out an update to the general public & then tell us you haven't even finished validating it yet?

Nuke 'em from orbit, repeatedly, until it glows in the DAY, just to be sure.

*Frustrated howl*

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Must have been like this when the Roman Empire collapsed

Surviving only on the fear of past glories, whilst all it's emperors either went insane or fiddled watching it burn.

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Re: Must have been like this when the Roman Empire collapsed

It's like re-watching IBM/Apple (first collapse not this one)/DEC/RIM/HP all over again.

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Flailing Helplessly

The Windows Update Team must be down to one full time employee by now. This poor sod is the only one who knows how to and when to issue a patch. Yes, I know that is not true, but for all the fubars that have occurred since April 2015, you get the impression that they are flailing helplessly.

There was an entire build that got released by mistake, bogus OEM drivers that mysteriously appear, updates that break all manner of windows products and now an update that has not been fully validated. I am wondering if the Windows 10 patching scheme (and the W7/8 rollouts) have become so unwieldy that they have lost control of it all.

It also appears that it is not a priority to get the fixing, fixed.

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Re: Flailing Helplessly

Perhaps it's to encourage us to embrace the cloud? Maybe they haven't followed that idea through far enough. If everything is in the cloud, we might not need Windows (on "real" desktops) at all, cut everything back, fire more of the staff and sell lots of their own server based stuff - A bit like a mainframe, only shinier and not so reliable...

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Re: Flailing Helplessly

@Tim99 Yeah, that'll fix it.

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I can see many upsides for cloud based computing.

As a company, you don't have loads of servers you need to update. This will reduce costs, not only in the purchase of new hard and software, but electricity, space and staff. The cost reductions are offset somewhat by the need to install a beefy connection, and the costs of maintaining cloud servers, but still it's likely to be considerably cheaper.

There are serious downsides though.

1) You are introducing a lot of extra hardware/software between you and your servers. If the servers are in house, you will have probably a router, a few switches and several network cables. Moving the servers off site, you also introduce a lot of hardware/software run by your telecoms provider. In computing, as in life, introducing more stuff that can go wrong increases the likelihood that something will. Yes, you can introduce redundant hardware and links, but that costs money, and one of the selling points of basing everything in the cloud is that it reduces costs.

2) With the reduced staff, you may not have staff that can fix things if the system fails.

3) One person, typing the wrong commend, or pulling the wrong cable, could potentially affect hundreds, or thousands of customers rather than just one. OK, that's not much of compensation if you are affected, but it's still a downside.

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Re: Flailing Helplessly

You missed one. "When you outsource critical business functionality you have put your company's future in someone else's hands." And your outages will just become pat of the other 99.999%'ers who are also down and have zero leverage to get prioritized.

Here, have some service credits to make up for all those lost sales and lost productivity. K thx

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"Perhaps it's to encourage us to embrace the cloud?"

Well, something certainly seems to be blowing in the wind!

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@ Stuart Castle -- Re: Flailing Helplessly

So, to sum up: The "advantages" of cloud computing aggregate to the suits in the Corporate Suite, while the disadvantages fall on the poor sods who are the developers, and the poorer sods who become the "customers".

Have I got that right?

Ain't that (Corporate) America!

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"1) You are introducing a lot of extra hardware/software between you and your servers. If the servers are in house..."

Then it's not "cloud based computing"

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Re: Flailing Helplessly

"1) You are introducing a lot of extra hardware/software between you and your servers. If the servers are in house..."

Then it's not "cloud based computing"

You can set up your own cloud servers y'know.

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Re: Flailing Helplessly

"You can set up your own cloud servers y'know."

Ahem. You missed the "in-house" part.

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"You can set up your own cloud servers y'know."

Ahem. You missed the "in-house" part.

But I have mine set up "in-house". It's in my mate's house, in the closet in his spare bedroom. Only because he has an all-you-can-eat internet feed and I can't afford to do much myself mind, if I could I'd have it in my own house...

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Anon to avoid flying cabbages.

"It also appears that it is not a priority to get the fixing, fixed."

It appears that their priority of fixing their fixing needs to be fixed. - TFIFY

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Re: Anon to avoid flying cabbages.

Judging by the level of Downvoting that is given to any post critical of MS, it seems that the MS Release Engineering team are busy deflecting criticism from their failings rather than getting the problems fixed.

A sign of the times perhaps. MS gives up on engineering and employs only PR people?

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Re: Anon to avoid flying cabbages.

Judging by the level of Downvoting that is given to any post critical of MS, it seems that the MS Release Engineering team are busy deflecting criticism from their failings rather than getting the problems fixed.

So far on this thread it's only the one of them..

So..

That'd be the entire team then?

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Re: Anon to avoid flying cabbages.

Well so far, I'm seeing the usual one down vote which you get regardless of topic.

It's either a Googlebot experiment, or some sad lonely individual going "FEEL MY WRATH, FEEL THE POWER OF MY DOWNVOTE!"

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Re: Anon to avoid flying cabbages.

Sir, have one of these >>============>

So far on this thread it's only the one of them..

So..

That'd be the entire team then?

Concise, and much funnier than my inadequate post.

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Re: Anon to avoid flying cabbages.

Concise, and much funnier than my inadequate post.

Much thanks. Here, come along and join me :)

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Like Trump

Microsoft has an image to keep. By consistently producing bad code they can't be faulted for getting it wrong in any given instance. It's just like Trump. Take no notice. Just trying to own the world.

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Typical Big Corp

This type of behaviour is typical of any big corporation. They get so big that no-one can truly control the monster and each part is desperately trying to look after itself, rather than thinking of the bigger picture.

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Re: Typical Big Corp

> ... each part is desperately trying to look after itself, rather than thinking of the bigger picture.

Thankfully. Given their ability to extract from the majority of the worlds computers, and an absence of morals, if they were well focused they'd be a larger problem than they are now.

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Google vs Microsoft...

Google just announced dropping Gmail Inbox Ad slurp because of falling Cloud sales vs Amazon/M$. Corporate customers complained of confusion about email slurp. Wonder if M$ will be forced to drop Win-10 slurp eventually, as Enterprise customers start questioning how well firewalled off they really are from Home user guinea-pigs like in Google scenario. Views?

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How am I supposed to IGNORE the update...

how am I supposed to IGNORE the update, when it's being CRAMMED up my ARSE?

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Re: How am I supposed to IGNORE the update...

You ignore it by paying extra cash to be a business user (who can delay updates for a month or two) rather than a beta tester home user.

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Re: How am I supposed to IGNORE the update...

You ignore it by paying extra cash to be a business user (who can delay updates for a month or two) rather than a beta tester home user.

That's god advice, but, considering what they did to their 'Professional' version - think I'll play it safer and just not run their crap if I can avoid it.

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Re: How am I supposed to IGNORE the update...

Simple. Let it update, then ignore it. Then try to ignore any problems the update may cause - well, that may be a little harder to ignore. Do you have vacation time coming?

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Re: How am I supposed to IGNORE the update...

It affects MS Exchange. I doubt many exchange admins in biggish enterprises are applying patches immediately unless there is a serious security exploit they need to fix. They use WSUS or whatever it's called now and do it when they are ready and after the thickos have tested it for them in the wild.

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Re: How am I supposed to IGNORE the update...

They use WSUS or whatever it's called now and do it when they are ready and after the thickos have tested it for them in the wild.

Thickos.. That would be those who don't qualify for the enterprise levels and therefore have updates forced on them when MS wants, regardless of what it breaks?

So you're saying most MS users are "thickos"?

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Re: How am I supposed to IGNORE the update...

wow, take it seriously why don't you

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Music, maestro!

'Nuff said

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"and a security improvements"

"and security improvements" or "and a security improvement" - was it several or just one?

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Re: "and a security improvements"

No, it was several security improvement.

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Fucked by MS updates, again

I've got some users here who aren't really happy to be unable anymore to find mails in Outlook 2016 following an Office update.

You don't push update: you are fucked because of vulns left wide open

You push update: you are fucked because it breaks basic functionalities.

It's like asking if you prefer being put at stake or quartered.

I wonder if I'll be able to convince top management that Google Apps could be a nice alternative to that bloody Exchange/Outlook evil pair...

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@Potemkine! -- Re: Fucked by MS updates, again

It's like asking if you prefer being put at stake or quartered.

Since The Three Stooges have already been mentioned in this thread, I refer to them for the "correct" answer to this conundrum. The answer (according to Curly) is the stake, because a hot stake is better than a cold chop.

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WTF?

Wait....

...someone a MS actually validates the stuff they put out?

I though that was the job of their victimsusers!

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Have you noticed?

I like the way all through this set of comments there is one or two downvote to anything against MS which obviously doesn't do any testing or logical release management.

Like there is an ever present MS employee trying his best to suggest this isn't an MS cock up of possibly huge proportions. (how many people use Skype, or exchange, or both?)

The lonely fanbois crying out against the anger.

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Re: Have you noticed?

Does anyone over 12 actually care about upvotes/downvotes?

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Re: Have you noticed?

Does anyone over 12 actually care about upvotes/downvotes?

Well, the folks at El Reg went to the trouble to implement the system, and a number of quite intelligent and I'm sure quite a bit older than 12 talk about it, so I guess that'd be an obvious yes.

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Re: Have you noticed?

Well I don't think people need to take them personally and feel the need to comment because they got a downvote, they really are piddling trivial things that matter less than toe-splash.

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Re: Have you noticed?

Well I don't think people need to take them personally and feel the need to comment because they got a downvote, they really are piddling trivial things that matter less than toe-splash.

That may perhaps be your opinion, but others here share a different opinion.

And I do understand the desire to know why an accurate response to a question can sometimes get so many downvotes without challenge or explanation. That's not taking it personally, that's wondering if you're mistaken and wanting to know what was wrong with what you posted.

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Re: Have you noticed?

No fucks given here.

Nor any down votes, or up votes. Or any notice taken of them.

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