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Hotheaded Brussels civil servants issued with cool warning: Leak

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"You are not advised to drink alcohol, and to eat light meals"

So you're not actually advised not to drink alcohol.

And if you don't eat light meals do you go without or do you eat heavy meals?

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Original memo and Politico's article both have “You are advised not to drink alcohol”.

Must be hot in El Reg office, sweaty fingers skating over the keyboard. Guess it proves they didn''t cut n paste.

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Does Guinness count as a light or heavy meal?

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Eats shoots, and leaves

A misplacd comma makes all the difference:

"Try not to go out in the heat, or do physical exercise."

Are they really advocating physical exercise as an alternative to not going out in the heat? (Because, to my poor, uncultured, literal mind, that's how this reads.)

Perhaps it should more correctly have been written:

"Try to neither go out in the heat nor do physical exercise."

No comma necessary there. But then, EU ...

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"Does Guinness count as a light or heavy meal?"

That depends on the number of courses.

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That's not hot. This is hot.

Aussie here, ROFL. 29 degrees C isn't hot. 40 degrees C is hot.

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Death Valley here... 40C isn't hot, try 50C you Aussie softie

It's all relative, this is a temperate climate we're talking about, 29C is hot.

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I see you've played hotty-coldy before

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Reminds me of Crocodile Dundee... That's not a knife!

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Aussie here, ROFL. 29 degrees C isn't hot. 40 degrees C is hot.

40 is normal in Oz, innit? Very nice in dry heat (like outback NSW), more challenging in humidity further north (like Cairns).

My experience longer-term in a hotter climate[1] was that 40+ in the heat of the day was a lot easier to live with than upper-20s in the wee hours of the night. Largely 'cos of the relative humidity, which would top 100% overnight. And the June heat was a lot more pleasant than the August heat+humidity.

My experience back in Blighty - where we currently have high 20s with the sun beating down on my very large, south-facing bay window - is that 30 here is every bit as uncomfortable as 40 in a proper hot climate where it's normal and somehow feels right.

[1] Six years in Central Italy.

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Re: That's not hot. This is hot.

You mean 40C or 50C without air conditioning? The local softies here in the UK rarely have AC at home, some offices also do without.

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Desert rat here. It is 48 C today.

I'm waiting for it to cool down to 40 so we can go and swim around 8 pm.

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Currently working in Brussels, the temp is closer to 33 as far as I can see.

In my opinion it's the humidity that bites. 39 in a hot and humid Caribbean island was hard work? 42 in the desert wasn't too bad.

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his is a temperate climate we're talking about, 29C is hot.

No it is not. Temperate can be continental temperate like Hungary, Romania, Russia or Bulgaria (depending on the year - it is straddling the border between temperate and subtropical). 40C+ is quite common. The saving grace is that humidity is usually < 50%.

It can also be coastal temperate like the British isles or Belgium where 29C is a big deal. It actually is as it comes with 70%+ humidity.

The difference humidity makes is two-fold. First it is easier to tolerate heat during the day if it is lower.

Second, low humidity equates to significant radiation cooling at night so you can sleep. Even if it was 35C a few hours ago, it happily drops to 18C by 10pm making it quite tolerable (especially out in the countryside). That does not happen during a heatwave in places like Belgium or UK. It stays at 24C at night and is throughly disgusting.

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Anything above 20 C is hot.

Up to 25 C: Hot, but kind of acceptable.

Above 25 C: When will the bloody summer end?

Above 30 C: Please, God, just kill me!

Above 35 C: Lying on the floor unconscious.

Some people are just not built for hot weather...

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I was going to say, isn't 29 Celsius equal to something like 84 Fahrenheit? Now I'm from sunny Silicon Valley (where it was about 100 Fahrenheit yesterday) and I accept that a lot of office buildings and homes in Brussels don't have air conditioning, but that is not "hot", guys.

And the guidelines mentioned are making it sound like Belgium is approaching the End of Days.

(And the if the hot weather has you right-pondians down, remember that this is the kind of weather that has Paris out by her pool, in her bikini and high heels)

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Re: That's not hot. This is hot.

44 C today and tomorrow here in Fresno, CA, USA. Just as miserable until sometime in September, perhaps October. And people wonder why I say I live in Hell, CA. And no, we don't do air conditioning.

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I spend a lot of time in Texas, and I can tell you that even peak summer with a heat wave in Texas is fine with aircon and little humidity compared to 25C here and humidity. We were tired after sitting down today during lunch, and we didn;t even eat anything.

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Ex Pom in Oz - It's the middle of the winter here and 20C - It feels bloody cold.

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I'll see your Aussie temps and give you Vietnam. Has been hitting 40+ here although dropping to 32 av now, real feel in the Saigon coupla weeks ago was peaking at 49C, with upto 90% humidity.

The heats OK, but combined with the humidity it's a killer. Not only for sapping strength but once you start sweating it can't evaporate off, so you just drip.

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" this is a temperate climate we're talking about, 29C is hot."

Hot enough to buckle rails in London, with attendant commuter chaos. :(

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"The heats OK, but combined with the humidity it's a killer."

That can be literal.

If the wet-bulb temperature goes above internal body temperature, mammals are in big trouble.

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why am I remembering the stories of SR71 and air traffic control? (Google "Aspen 20 ground speed check")

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"The heats OK, but combined with the humidity it's a killer."

That can be literal.

As someone who travelled over from Yorkshire a few months back, I am not suprised, an hour out just walking about and I was needing a lie down in a cool room because I'd start feeling out of sorts, felt like you was operating permanently at the edge of heatstroke. :)

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"44 C today and tomorrow here in Fresno, CA,""And no, we don't do air conditioning."

This just seems unimaginable without aircon.

I've spent some time in Arizona and the closest I've come to frost bite was the nights in an Arizona motel room.

They seemed to think all visitors like aircon up to 11.

But I think humidity is the biggest PITA. I met someone who worked in Hong Kong. They said that even with aircon they were changing their shirt three times a day. I've often wondered what SF is like. People say it's cold and damp (the old Mark Twain like about "The coldest Winter I spent was Summer in San Francisco," boom boom) , but that's by Californian standards.

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some offices also do without.

Especially the ones in Listed Buildings..

Fortunately, the Victorians built our place with nice big windows and roof vents. So, on the whole, not too bad - especially if you sit by the windows.

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Some people are just not built for hot weather...

Hot weather is fine. Hot, humid weather isn't. Especially at night[1]

[1] Fastest way to a migraine for me is to not get enough sleep. Like, for example, in the last three nights. Sumatriptan is wonderful - even if it does cause some 'interesting' side effects..

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Re: "44 C today and tomorrow here in Fresno, CA,""And no, we don't do air conditioning."

I've often wondered what SF is like.

A while back we stayed with some friends that live the other side of a range of hills south of SF. The weather was more like southern England that prototypical California.

Drive over the hills to SF and the temperature went up by about 10C.

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> Desert rat here. It is 48 C today.

Oh, so only mildly warm then. Bet you're not wearing a tie though :-)

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> Anything above 20 C is hot.

Nah. Allow me:

* < -30: Cold

* -30 − < 0: Comfortably cold

* 0 − < 10: Neither cold nor hot

* 10 − < 40: Alright

* 40 − < 50: Getting a bit warm

* 50+: Hot

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That's nice for you, but IF YOU CHOOSE TO LIVE IN A DESERT WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?

This is not the Sahara or the Outback: it's Central London. And 34 degC, I think, is objectively uncomfortable (at whatever the humidity here is, I've no idea) and therefore TOO HOT.

I swear, the next Aussie to start cracking ribticklers about how it's not a heatwave until it's over 40 degC is going to have a great deal of difficulty getting their cork-festooned hat and six-pack of pissy lager back out without surgical assistance.

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Re: "44 C today and tomorrow here in Fresno, CA,""And no, we don't do air conditioning."

SF is actually remarkably cool damp and manky if you've confused it with LA, Florida, or the rest of SOCAL from watching too much TV and not reading the Rough Guide book until you're on the plane, at which point you discover you'll be needing to call your b/f to fedex half your fucking wardrobe over, because all you took were summer dresses, vest tops and flipflops.

Not that I'm bitter. Wonder how she's getting on now?

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My sympathies. Partner's on Zomiltriptan: mongs her out for six hours or so, but that's better than lying in agony in a darkened room with occasional breaks to throw up. :(

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If your bulb's wet, doesn't that cool you off?

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The place to be is Longyearbyen, Svalbard.

https://www.worldweatheronline.com/longyearbyen-svalbard-weather/sogn-og-fjordane/no.aspx

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For me, comfort = 5-25C. At 5-15 I can work, any higher and i sweat and wish for the misery to be over.

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Same here in scandinavia, because electricity prises have gone socialist(get less for more).

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"Get the air moving in your office by opening doors and windows for as long as possible while it is cool. At the hottest times, keep windows closed and blinds down. You can also switch off the lights."

I'm pretty sure they don't understand the basics of AC (not that AC, air conditioning)

"You are not advised to drink alcohol, and to eat light meals"

Check, I've got a bottle of Vodka and some meringues.

"Try not to go out in the heat, or do physical exercise."

No problem with the latter part of this.

"Wear light clothing - no suit and ties where possible"

Just Y-fronts and a vest for me while eating a scotch egg. (savour the picture)

I've seen some silly advice in my time but this is class.

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I'd be more concerned about this offer, "...directors and heads of unit may allow those staff who so wish to leave early...".

Obligatory Dilbert on leaving early

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"Just Y-fronts and a vest for me while eating a scotch egg. (savour the picture)"

I usually read El Reg on the crapper, shirtless with a fag. Ive never thought to eat a scotch egg and leave my pants pulled up at the same time.

Perhaps ill try this. Shitting and consuming an egg filled pork product does sound particularly lavish.

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@A/C

I was with you until you got to the scotch egg.

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It's the chardonnay of the working class.

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I'm assuming they don't have AC

Otherwise the recommendation to open windows would be rather stupid. If they have AC and they are whining about 29C, then they deserve all the scorn being heaped upon them. I wouldn't even turn on my AC if the high was forecast for 29C, because 29C outside means it wouldn't even reach 25C inside.

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Eh?

I can see you've never socialised in the Home Counties* then, where the habits of the bourgeoise long ago rubbed off on the masses. Even BLOKES drink wine here. The genuine aristos don't touch pub wine with a bargepole; they stick to real ale.

* OK, south Herts.**

** B'wood. If that means anything.

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West an Y-Fronts...

You AC, are Rab C Nesbitt and I claim my £5. PP

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"In HELL, the British do the cooking"

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Re: I'm assuming they don't have AC

If you have big windows in the south facing wall, the inside gets hotter than outside, i.e a greenhouse.

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mandatory Siesta people!

Break out the Dos Sucky, limes and to-kill-ya!

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