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Italian F-35 facility rolls out its first STOVL stealth fighter

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Let's hope they don't change sides half way through a fight.

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Turkey

Turkey should have been booted out of NATO decades ago.

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Re: Turkey

Why? Before Erdogan took the power the situation was quite different. And it does control the access to the Black Sea, while being a foothold in Middle East. The big mistake was to underestimate Erdogan.

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Does the US know that when the going gets tough, the Italians swap sides?

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Do you think that would trump a low bid or a handy tax break?

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Yes, but in the last two WW we switched to the US side... what happens if we start on that side is not know, though...

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Rol

Come on guys. That's totally mainframe, and not in the slightest PC.

That's like saying the British are out and out racists, because they voted for Brexit, when the truth is, only a fraction of the population are goose-stepping zombies, and the rest were told it was in the bag, so didn't get off their arses to vote.

You can't judge an entire population by the frothings of a handful of nut jobs that miraculously found themselves wielding power.

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Judgemental

You can't judge an entire population by the frothings of a handful of nut jobs that miraculously found themselves wielding power.

But you can judge a population by how easily they roll over and let nut jobs seize power.

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Re: Judgemental

But you can judge a population by how easily they roll over and let nut jobs seize power.

So, on that front how are we doing? Or should I ask again in June?

Mine's the one with the emergency passport in the pocket.

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There was an 80% turnout in the referendum.

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"the rest were told it was in the bag, so didn't get off their arses to vote"

Well, the referendum did have the highest UK electoral turn out for just about anything (including a c65% youth turnout according to the Graun), so by your logic we are in fact a nation of goose-stepping zombies.

"You can't judge an entire population by the frothings of a handful of nut jobs that miraculously found themselves wielding power."

You're presumably referring to the retards on both sides of the Commons chamber? You know, the ones who dragged us down the route to European Union without actually checking to see if we wanted all of that?

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There was a 72% turnout in the referendum.

And UKIP has the cash receipts for a significant number of them.

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Re: Judgemental

Ah... so that's the explanation for the US.

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Re: Judgemental

>But you can judge a population by how easily they roll over and let nut jobs seize power.

Perhaps I've had a beer too many, but I can't think of a population that has done the opposite with any prayer of winning, in modern times. I could make some arguments for some of the Greek city-states, but I'm coming up quite blank from then to now.

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goose-stepping zombies

As a Brit who voted FOR brexit I am rather convinced that the goose-stepping zombies were and are on the remain side.

It'll come as an awful shock to many of 'em when / if they realise that.

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Re: Judgemental

Perhaps I've had a beer too many, but I can't think of a population that has done the opposite with any prayer of winning, in modern times. I could make some arguments for some of the Greek city-states, but I'm coming up quite blank from then to now.

Early days I know, but think of the French presidential election.

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Re: goose-stepping zombies

Oh, they'll never realize that.

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there were enough nut jobs to vote them into office

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Keep it factual

"There was an 80% turnout in the referendum."

No there wasn't, it was 72.2%.

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The Turkish question isn't going away. The way the West has appeased Erdogan and his chums is disgusting, and it is hard to see a way to any stable settlement in the Middle East which doesn't eventually put him on the other side of the problem to us. Unless of course we are happy for him to gas the Kurds, turn a blind eye to Daesh, carry on with his insidious propaganda aimed at European countries, etc, etc.

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Karanlık hızı nedir?

That's a Turkish question.

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You are not buying this equipment

Anyone with the ideas that a country which has bought the F35 has bought it should have their head examined.

It is not bought. It is not even leased. It is actually provided so you can put your pilots into it to fly missions on Americans' behalf hitting targets they allow, when they allow with what they allow and in a way that they allow. On top of that, we are paying for the favor.

I am starting to wonder - how many "Bad Boy, Bad Boy" hookers in black leather panties had to be provided to the negotiating team. Based on the terms of the purchase agreement they definitely seem to be so heavy into this that they will probably be flagged for attention under the new Teresa may "public morale in shagging depiction" legislation.

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Re: You are not buying this equipment

The F35 has been decades in gestation. There's a chance that it contains an "off" switch controlled from DC or thereabouts. A whiff of global domination is the potential prize to any dissenting country or group that can figure out how to activate that switch. Or devise a weapon with one purpose: to take down F35's. In the most recent (39-45) global conflict, there were more--and more varied--fighters in play. In contemporary money, you could (my guesstimate) build about 200 Spitfires for the cost of one F-35. One of these babies defines an awfully large bassinet. A squadron? Whoa, Nelly.

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Re: You are not buying this equipment

In the most recent (39-45) global conflict, there were more--and more varied-

The reason for this is that conflict quickly terminated all delusions of fighters doing close-in air support as a main day job as well as the idea of "universal" fighter. WW2 fighters were highly specialized: air superiority (Spitfire, Yak-9, La-5, Me-109), Escort (P51), night (Dorado, Mosquito), intercept (Me-262), etc.

While they often did close air support, they did not have that as a day job (except the night ones). There were Mosquitos, Stukas, Pe2, Il2 for that. They could carry more, stay over the battlefield for longer, take more punishment and do a much better job.

What is happening today is repeating one of the biggest German mistakes of WW2. Hitler delayed the deployments of Me-262 by nearly a year until it had the ability to do some rudimentary close air support retrofitted (completely unnecessary for its actual use). We just do the same to fighters now instead of having proper close air support aircraft.

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Re: You are not buying this equipment

"There's a chance that it contains an "off" switch controlled from DC or thereabouts."

On the plus side, one of the major issues with the F-35 has been the software and networking. There may well be an off switch installed, but the chances of the signal both getting through to it and functioning correctly are reassuringly low.

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Why filed under "bootnotes"?

Just because it talks about Italy?

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Re: Why filed under "bootnotes"?

>Why filed under "bootnotes"?

Fiat-35B...

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Better Waxoyl that puppy...

...before using in inclement weather.

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Re: Better Waxoyl that puppy...

...before using in inclement weather.

And hope that the electronics are not built by anyone from Ducatti..

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amazinbg how long Marham is remaining

The only reason for it's continued existence is purely down to being close to Sandringham...

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Re: amazinbg how long Marham is remaining

Pray explain? Either you're implying that the US want to bomb Sandringham, or that they are protecting it.

The US aren't part of our RRF (to the best of my knowledge). Geologically, Sandringham is well protected with our without the local USAF.

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Re: amazinbg how long Marham is remaining

Sandringham isn't well protected at all, its got Bracknell on its doorstep. The people there have a nasty tendency to write angry letters and rant about things. If they're not careful the people there might escalate to phone complaints. Unruly bastards.

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Re: amazinbg how long Marham is remaining

Methinks you're confusing Sandringham for Sandhurst?

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Re: amazinbg how long Marham is remaining

Sandhurst has Bracknell on its doorstep, Marham has Norwich on its doorstep, so presumably a generous No-claims discount...

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A good yokel's substitute for Slough?

NFN

TTFN

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Re: amazinbg how long Marham is remaining

Sandringham. Sandhurst. Bracknell. Slough.

All these areas are the same grey amorphous concepts to me. It amazes me that people live in Bracknell though. Its so boring and uniform and average. Its the Milton Keynes of Berkshire.

Its a town that seems to have been built specifically around Ikea furniture.

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Re: amazinbg how long Marham is remaining

>Pray explain? Either you're implying that the US want to bomb Sandringham, or that they are protecting it.

The Queen has a residence at Sandringham... Sandringham is close to Marham, the royals use Marham as their own personal airfield, flying in and out frequently.

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Fiat

Well, you know what they say about Fiats - "Fix It Again, Tony". Hopefully Sergio Marchionne won't have anything to do with this.

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Re: Fiat

Fiat 35B, everything wired with the same light blue wires Italians love to use. Nobody knows what goes to where and why.

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Re: Fiat

You mean the man who saved Chrysler butts, CEO of Ferrari, and made an 1.8 billion in profits in 2016? No, unluckily Leonardo/Finmeccanica is not run by him, now the CEO is an ex banker (!), and not one with a good record...

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Re: Fiat

They seem to have been able to fix Chrysler fairly well. Came to think of it, I would not claim to be an architect because my grandfather was one, is that an illusion that comes being born English.

Also referring to some other comments. Long ago I listened to some stuff Nick Clegg said, and I apparently liked, and then I had to read up about him on the Wiki.

I found this, and was surprised for two reasons. First, it's obvious some Brits would not like it at all, and secondly because it's so fucking true.

"all nations have a cross to bear, and none more so than Germany with its memories of Nazism. But the British cross is more insidious still. A misplaced sense of superiority, sustained by delusions of grandeur and a tenacious obsession with the last war, is much harder to shake off".

Shake it off.

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They seem to have been able to fix Chrysler fairly well.

Chrysler seems to inhabit the bottom of the quality ratings - but they were doing that before Fiat came along.

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Re: Fiat

To be fair, British cars used to have a terrible reputation abroad for reliability, especially the electrics ("Lucas: The Prince of Darkness" etc.), but that's not a problem any more.

Now pretty much every car manufacturer in the UK is foreign owned (except Morgan) our reputation for building crappy cars has all but disappeared!

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Remote Brick...?

Considering some of the diagnostic smarts built into the F35, my major concern is can the US remotely 'brick' some of the avionics and capabilities.

Shades of Nest bricking of Revolv kit.. "Sorry the F35 is no longer supported would you like to be a new shiny F36 instead"

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Re: Remote Brick...?

Presumably when we ordered ours we insisted they came with the source code, compiler and source code for the compiler?

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Re: Remote Brick...?

You'll be lucky if it's just the US remotely bricking any F35s...

Ah, way to much effort... all an adversary has to do is to mess up the module in the integrated, interconnected, all-singing, all-dancing software that orders the right spare parts. Boom, done.

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Finmeccanica

It is operated by Leonardo, the company formerly known as Finmeccanica,

Ah, the clods who couldn't build a train that could actually go faster than 40 km/h in winter[0] without parts dropping off, and where two certification agencies each inspecting half of one train set found close to 1000, and about 300 faults in their half, where 10 is the maximum allowed for a set in operation.

[0] Sets from other manufacturers, introduced in the past 15 years or so break down in winter too, but at least they do so at 130km/h.

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Re: a train that could actually go faster than 40 km/h in winter[

Shit, that's a *lot* better than we have over here, sign 'em up! Our trains don't even run if there's a slight chill in the air!

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Re: Finmeccanica

Actually Ansaldo was sold to Hitachi, and you will still buy trains from them. Also is the supplier of part of Tornados, Typhoons, and the owner of Agusta-Westland....

Also, Italian high-speed trains (Frecciarossa) don't look so slow to me....

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