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Republicans want IT bloke to take fall for Clinton email brouhaha

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He should take the fall

He decided not to respond to an investigation, that's on him. If he legally isn't compelled to respond, that will come out as well.

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Re: He should take the fall

Be sure and make some outrageous claims about how awful this has been on you personally, because in the end that's all you will have, as there was no wrong doing. No crimes committed. Just a lot of hot air from some other asshole politicians about one of their own, doing what another of their own told them was okay to do. The Republican token-black man General Colon Powel told Mrs. Clinton to setup the email server that way. Face it, your complaint is a weak assault of an action you already find reasonable, as long as it's a Republican doing government business using outside email services. Like president Furby Toupee does each day. Yet, THIS you have a problem with? What a dolt you are. But, leave it to the US Tories to beat a dead horse and claim it tried to kick them. Tell us, has anything NEW happened, or is this more of the same recycled garbage from your heroes in red ties? AKA conservative jerkoffs. I think bringing up old horseshit is the only "new" trick they have. Crooks complaining about the alleged crimes of other crooks. Colour me uninterested. Colour you busted.

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Re: He should take the fall

I haven't seen such a collection of alternative facts in a while.

- Hillary's server did violate the law - FISMA 2002.

- General Powell did not advise Secretary Clinton to set up a private server. One downvote for what appears to have been intentional and disparaging misspelling of General Powell's given name.

- President Trump may use Twitter from an insecure device, but I have not seen it reported that he used an outside email service to conduct government business. It is not obvious that using Twitter from an insecure device is significantly worse than using it at all.

It is quite understandable that you would post anonymously, however.

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Re: He should take the fall

The Republican token-black man General Colon Powel told Mrs. Clinton to setup the email server that way.

Thus madly influencing poor Hildebeast?

"What I did do was have a personal computer that was hooked up to a private phone line (sounds ancient). So I could communicate with a wide range of friends directly without it going through the State Department on their personal email accounts. I did the same thing on the road in hotels.... I have been interviewed by the State Department IG and the FBI about my actions and decisions. I stand by my decisions and I am fully accountable"

Somebody who at least says he is "fully accountable". Must be from another generation.

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Re: He should take the fall

Tis easy to claim to be 'fully accountable' when there is no accountability. There hasn't been a Federal politician since Nixon (and he got pardoned!) been held accountable for their bullshit.

Average citizen facing the full wrath of the Feds? You won't even know their name, they'll be buried so far.

Ya, know? Pitchforks and torches aren't *that* far off - how about getting ahead of the curve with a pitchfork and torch icon, El Reg?

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Re: He should take the fall

Trump using twitter is government business now. He uses it to publicly announce policy positions.

Imagine if someone hacked Trump's phone and got access to the twitter account. What fun could they have? They could swing the stock market however they wanted with ease. They could embarrass the country on a whim. Or just go all-out and announce the US was initiating an immediate invasion of North Korea, then sit back and eat popcorn as they watch NK immediately start shelling Seoul into a smoking crater.

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Re: He should take the fall

Since he's practicing diplomacy in 140 character-sized chunks, it can be argued he's using an outside service to conduct government business.

And that's before we look at the DMs.

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Obstruction a federal investigation is a crime in the US, one of which Scooter Libby, an aide to Dick Cheney, was convicted. Whether what Mr Suazo did (some news stories claimed he wiped disks to avoid their being subpoenaed) constituted obstruction is up to the folks that understand that "subpoena" mean "under [the threat of] punishment" for failure to produce the desired testimony or evidence.

I have no sympathy for the Republicans in any of their whacko forms, but the law does apply to everyone, which is one of its redeeming features.

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Sorry, pal, FISMA is not a law that carries penalties. It was meant to spell out normative behavior and enable federal agencies to put those behaviors into practice. So please don't go down to the hardware store and buy a length of rope just now.

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If you can spell the name right ...

You can find links to epic failures. As a bonus it avoids people responding to your spelling error and avoiding any valid point you may have. [At the time, bio-weapons professionals were saying Colin Powell's mobile bio-weapons factories were ridiculous. To be fair to the man, he did apologise for being utterly wrong - a move that is almost unheard of in politics.]

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but the law does apply to everyone

Absolutely. "In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread."

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Re: He should take the fall

None since Nixon?

Gee, ABSCAM comes to mind, and various members of congress have been busted for this or that since.

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Re: He should take the fall

Imagine if someone hacked Trump's phone and got access to the twitter account.

Couldn't happen. Trump's Twitter account is on Twitter's select watch list. Tweets can only be made from specific devices like his phone and laptop. Even if Trump tried to use someone else's computer with his legitimate username and password, Twitter would flag it and suspend his account.

If someone tried to hack Trump's twitter account there would be black helicopters outside their house in no time. Federal prison is no joke.

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Re: He should take the fall

FISMA may not carry criminal penalties for violation, but employee violations certainly couldlead to adverse personnel action, and if repeated probably would. Adverse actions may vary from oral reprimand on upward to dismissal. An agency civil service executive who arranged a server like Clinton's almost certainly would be on the receiving end of upper end adverse action unless she discontinued its use pretty quickly.

By maintaining her server as her (and her closest aides') only line of email communication, Clinton put her subordinates in the uncomfortable position of either putting themselves in position for disciplinary action or finding a different, authorized, and probably much less efficient means of communication.

Clinton aside, there is plenty of blame to go around. The State Department IT staff identified the server as a problem at some point and were told to bugger off. Apparently they did, rather than either push the issue or report it to the IG or federal whistle blower contact. They also did not take the fairly obvious action of blocking communication between the State Department and clintonemail.com servers, which probably would have brought things to a head rather quickly.

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Re: He should take the fall

@Tom Dial RE: "General Powell did not advise Secretary Clinton to set up a private server"

One can understand Powells reluctance to get drawn into the whole sorry mess by denying, but some doubt about your alternative claim he didn't advise her...

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-08/colin-powell-advised-hillary-clinton-on-private-emails-new-documents-show

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Re: He should take the fall

Sorry, but neither the US News article nor the USA Today article to which it links -

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/07/powell-email-advising-clinton-personal-email-released/89984698/

even comes close to hinting that Gen. Powell advised Secretary Clinton to set up a private email server. There is a large difference, probably quite well understood by most who post on this site, between operating a collection of servers and using a commercial email account.

That said, it really does not matter what General Powell might have told her. There were major changes to the law, federal information processing standards, and State Department regulations between his appointment as Secretary of State in 2001 and hers in 2009. The rules governing her actions were those effective in 2009 and the following years.

The rules that applied to Secretary Clinton required that a server used to store and process government data - including email - had to be approved for the purpose by the department's certifying authority who, for the Department of State, was the CIO. The certification presumes verification of compliance with a long list of specific requirements that Secretary Clinton's servers plainly did not meet, and the CIO stated to the DoS IG that the server was not approved and would not have been if it had been requested.

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Re: He should take the fall

The rules that applied to Secretary Clinton required that a server used to store and process government data - including email - had to be approved for the purpose by the department's certifying authority

Would that include twitter since the orange twit uses it for diplomacy? or is it one rule for the orange-utan and another for shrillary?

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Re: He should take the fall

"It is not obvious that using Twitter from an insecure device is significantly worse than using it at all."

Perhaps not to you, but think less about "Twitter" and more about that "insecure device" that Mr Trump quite possibly carries with him for much of his life.

If, perish the thought, there turned out to be a way to hack that device, the perpatrators would not plays schoolboy games with his Twitter account. They'd just turn on the microphone, feed it through some speech-to-phonemes software, and smuggle the now-greatly-reduced data stream off to their server when convenient. If the NSA can't do that, they aren't doing their job. I bet they can, and I bet that's why they were (*) worried that someone else could too.

(* They probably aren't worried anymore. I assume that they've hacked into his device and installed some sort of rootkit of their own to keep it safe. Rather tedious that they have to use such techniques on their own man, but they probably had the tools lying about and it wouldn't have taken long to deploy them in this case.)

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Bah!

Irrespectiveless of whether the email thing is anyone's fault, I'm agin it because I don't like the congressman's wikipedia page content.

According to it, he is a complete and utter bought-and-paid-for coalshill and has abused his office to bully those who dare to challenge his view that climate change is made up.

I could forgive that (a lie; I couldn't) but it also says he retweeted a Breitbart article denying climate change and though I've never read a Breitbart article, everyone but Fox News says they are bad and that's good enough for me.

LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!

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Re: Bah!

Stevie, deflect much?

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> Irrespectiveless

You did this on purpose, didn't you?

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Re: Bah!

Fox is putrid leftist crap.

But this is all small fry. In the meantime, quite a few people who should get the swift pioneer town justice treatement are coming out of the woodwork and are planning on ruining the rest of the year: Shambolic Doings in Washington #MaybeNoThanksgivingTurkey

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Re: Bah!

Faux News is Leftist??? Just exactly how far right ARE you, anyway?

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@Jake -- Re: Bah!

Upvote for beating me to that.

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Re: Bah!

And Attila the Hun was a weak liberal.

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Re: Bah!

I think Fox News is extreme right wing, but still at least trying to keep with the facts, maybe adjusting a bit here and there, maybe interpreting a bit here and there, but not outright lying.

So yes, by US government standards, Fox News is leftist.

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Re: Bah!

"I think Fox News is extreme right wing"

eh, no. right of center is acceptable, but NOT extreme. They've got Juan Williams, after all...

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Re: Bah!

I think Fox News is extreme right wing, but still at least trying to keep with the facts, maybe adjusting a bit here and there, maybe interpreting a bit here and there, but not outright lying.

Trying to keep up with facts???? maybe adjusting a bit here and there??

This is Fox, who brought you the Tea Party.

Half their "news" material is opinion, which is then repeated in the news because "people [Fox news commentators] are talking about it"

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Re: Bah!

"Fox ... brought you the Tea Party" credits them far beyond what is due. They probably reported on it more approvingly than most of the other major media, which generally lean leftward in their reporting, but the movement itself originated without media help from Fox or anyone else, largely as a result of some Republicans' perception that the government was not working as they thought proper.

Nearly all news is delivered with a slant using a combination of selectivity about what is reported and which details, and use of loaded language. Many years ago the New York Times (before it had color pictures), the Washington Post, and the Wall Street Journal generally reported the news without notable bias. That has not been true of the NYT or Post for years. I no longer read the Journal and don't know what has happened to it under the Murdoch regime. TV news has long been better thought of as entertainment, and Fox is no worse, despite being differently slanted, than any other. The less said about the Internet the better.

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Re: Bah!

You are judging by European standards. To us, Fox is extreme right wing. But by American standards, it's merely right-wing, no extreme. Everything is shifted.

The extreme right-wing are the ones upset that Trump isn't trying to expel all Muslims from the country like he promised, and stockpiling guns and ammo for the time when Obama's secret army rises up, overthrows the government and starts trying to round up Christians for the gas chambers. They are pretty nuts.

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Re: Bah!

If you go far enough in either direction, you end up on the other side.

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Hey, it's only secret information, who cares

If I'd been as incompetent and reckless with Her Majesty's top secret information while I was working for the MoD (on email servers no less) I'd still be in jail being traded for a handful of cigarettes.

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Re: Hey, it's only secret information, who cares

It wasn't reckless, it was deliberate, but you're right about Hillary being incompetent.

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Re: Hey, it's only secret information, who cares

however, if it was something dull like taxpayer info, health data, social services records - you could have just left those on a train, no-one would ever have bothered to name you or bring any action ....

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Re: Hey, it's only secret information, who cares

but you're right about Hillary being incompetent.

But look on the bright side - she did win the popular vote.

I dream of the day when Trump rises to being merely incompetent.

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Re: Hey, it's only secret information, who cares

you're right about Hillary being incompetent.

Not a vote for shillarity's competence, or lack thereof but... You're a supporter of a president who cannot get his orders passed even with all the "houses of parliment" (can't recall the correct term for the US system at present), and you're criticising someone else's competence?

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Big Brother

Tell you what...

Haul Suazo into court. But first (or at least at the same time)...haul Herr Lügenführer tRump into the same court for failing to release the Flynn Russia documents that Congress has requested.

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Re: Even better...

Put Trump on the Rack and force him to admit he's Putin's butt boy. At least then you'll have some 'evidence.'

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Re: Tell you what...

The President formerly known as Hitler a creature of Putin meme

You haven't got the memo that now that Trump is on track with the globalist/bombstuff agenda and actually overdoing it a bit, the "russia angle" has disappeared and is dead as disco?

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Re: Tell you what...

You haven't got the memo that now that Trump is on track with the globalist/bombstuff agenda and actually overdoing it a bit, the "russia angle" has disappeared and is dead as disco?

What better way to take attention away from the Russia angle and the fact they were meddling with the election??

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"Put Trump on the Rack and ..."

Waterboard him, surely. After all, he's in favour of that, isn't he?

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What laws did he break?

He set up a private email server for her, which was legal. Regardless of what you think or what the law says about what she did with it, he's not responsible for people sending her emails with classified content. Trump could set up a Gmail account and get classified info, if he did should Google be liable? Of course not.

Congress wanted him to testify, but unless they serve him with a subpeona and he fails to appear, he hasn't broken any laws by not talking to them. He just hurt their feelings of self importance.

They should give up on this. Given the stories about Trump administration officials using personal emails for official business, republicans might want to let up on the Clinton email thing lest some of their own get snared - and unlike when Clinton did it, it is now clearly illegal for them to use personal emails for official business, even if no classified info is exchanged.

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Re: What laws did he break?

"He set up a private server ... which was legal."

That is untrue, on two counts. First, Platte River Systems did not set up the server, but took over administration at a later date which, I believe, followed Ms. Clinton's departure from the State Department. The server was set up by Brian Pagliano, who had worked for Ms. Clinton's 2008 presidential nomination campaign. He was hired, presumably at her request, as a political appointee at the State Department to advise on IT matters at a salary that probably exceeded $100,000 pa, and moonlighted as administrator of the clintonemail.com servers. According to the DoS IG report, he performed some of those duties from his office at the DoS. Second, the servers violated State Department regulations derived from National Institutes of Science and Technology standards that were written to tell federal agencies how to implement requirements of the Federal Information Security Management Act of 2002 (44 U.S.C. Chapter 35). They were set up and operated in violation of the law.

Platte River Systems was under contract to administer the systems during the period after Ms. Clinton left the State Department and before the systems were delivered to the FBI for analysis. During that period, at a time when it was common knowledge that the servers and their contents were the subject of an investigation, their administrator wiped the disk drives with multiple pass overwrites and destroyed all the backups. The administrator, and Brian Pagliano, were immunized in exchange for cooperation, but as far as I have seen that did not apply to either Platte River Systems or its officers.

The analogy between Platte River Networks' responsibilities for Clinton's servers and Google's for an email account is both specious and irrelevant to the issue at hand.

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I'm ignorant! But I'm commenting anyway!

I genuinely didn't keep up with the fuss about Hil's emails, I found the American election massively over-long, managing to be hyperbolic and dreary at the same time.

Having said that, shit, she had to be the better of the two choices. Surely? There are hermit crabs who would make better leaders of the free world than the one that's in office at the mo.

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Re: I'm ignorant! But I'm commenting anyway!

Since you weren't following closely, know that Mrs. Clinton sold her influence as Secretary of State to many foreign leaders and organizations for world record sums, and pathetically attempted to claim they were 'donations' to her charity, the one that had 80-90% overhead costs. I suppose they also expected special treatment when she ascended to the most powerful office on the planet. We are incredibly lucky that didn't happen.

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Re: I'm ignorant! But I'm commenting anyway!

That's quite a few accusations in one hyperbolic paragraph there @Big John. You got any evidence for any of what you've said?

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Re: I'm ignorant! But I'm commenting anyway!

Big John : I honestly dont know what Hillary got up to, if anything. I'm guessing that you don't stay in american politics for that long without picking up a few brown stubborn under stains. I'm less than impressed with the current president though, struggling to see how she could have been worse. That must be one of the big negatives of a 2 party system. If both the candidates are twats, you end up with a fairly high probability that you are going to elect a twat. Over here, we seemingly have a one party system at the moment.

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Re: I'm ignorant! But I'm commenting anyway!

Big John, you make Hillary sound like quite an improvement over what we ended up with.

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Re: I'm ignorant! But I'm commenting anyway!

Over here, we seemingly have a one party system at the moment.

And we're still going to elect a twat.

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