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Twitter has reportedly blocked a third-party firm used by the Home Office from accessing its firehose, prompting the government to complain that the social network is siding with terrorists. In a Home Office press release dutifully churned by the Daily Telegraph and The Sun at bang on 10pm last night, the government whined …

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  1. James 51
    Big Brother

    Isn't that the line that is going to be used against journalists who publish embarassing truths about the economy?

    1. WonkoTheSane
      Facepalm

      Nope. UKGov is working on a law allowing them to be charged under the Official Secrets Act.

      https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/10/espionage_law_jail_journalists_as_spies/

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  2. Aristotles slow and dimwitted horse

    Not to put too fine a point on it...

    But Amber Rudd is a fucking idiot with a lesser understanding of the balances required between utilitarianist freedoms vs oppression of the majority than my teenage daughter.

    Just sayin'...

    1. WonkoTheSane
      Trollface

      Re: Not to put too fine a point on it...

      May taught Rudd all she knows...

      1. Elmer Phud

        Re: Not to put too fine a point on it...

        Shirley it was that global expert on cheese and pork - Liz Truss, our Minister for 'Social Justice (oh, oxymorons abound)

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Not to put too fine a point on it...

        Except the bits about prime numbers.

        They can quite agree whether they should be made illegal or simply removed from the mathematics curriculum. Or whether they exist. Except 2. That one exists.

        Our counting systems were invented in Bablyon^^^^Iraq and that makes them definitely a Jihadist

        long range plane to subvert Western Democracy. Even if they started the dastardly plans before Mohammed. That was just forward planning. See how sophisticated the enemy is.

        1. T. F. M. Reader

          Re: Not to put too fine a point on it...

          "Our counting systems were invented in Bablyon..."

          Really? We switched to base-60 and I haven't noticed till now?

          Our counting system was actually invented by Indians, i.e., in the Commonwealth for all practical purposes... A few centuries before Islam came about, actually. So perfectly consistent with values, way of life, etc.

          "They can quite agree whether they should be made illegal or simply removed from the mathematics curriculum. Or whether they exist. Except 2. That one exists."

          All this can be easily solved with binary numbers, actually. Just outlaw the least significant bit.

          1. DavCrav

            Re: Not to put too fine a point on it...

            "Really? We switched to base-60 and I haven't noticed till now?

            Our counting system was actually invented by Indians, i.e., in the Commonwealth for all practical purposes... A few centuries before Islam came about, actually. So perfectly consistent with values, way of life, etc."

            Not really. Babylonians used base 10, they then grouped the tens into 60s. So some hybrid of the two.

          2. Loyal Commenter Silver badge

            Re: Not to put too fine a point on it... @T.F.M Reader

            Well, the Babylonians did invent to concept and means of representing the number zero, which is in important part of our counting systems, and as for base-60, it depends on what you are counting, doesn't it? Unless you have moved onto decimal time, that is.

        2. herman

          Re: Not to put too fine a point on it...

          Only the prime minister should be allowed to use prime numbers. Downing street 10 is a prime example of such a prime number and all British subjects should immediately cease to use the number 10.

        3. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Not to put too fine a point on it...

          A very fine point. Thank you.

      3. Tom Paine

        Re: Not to put too fine a point on it...

        Actually... Rudd does have an absolutely /fascinating/ backstory in the form of her (quotes) "business career". Private Eye dropped a couple of gobsmacking pieces a few months ago, in the "In The Back" section that hardly anyone seems to bother to read. Old-school stockmarket or City followers may recognise the name "Jim Slater"...

    2. JimmyPage Silver badge
      Stop

      Re: Not to put too fine a point on it...

      But you DID out a fine point on it !!!

      You should have stopped after 7 words.

      1. TRT Silver badge

        Re: You should have stopped after 7 words.

        Or 160 characters.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Not to put too fine a point on it...

      With Rudd,

      Everything is about "hiding places", she's obsessed - even regards Energy Companies... (as Secretary of State for Energy, previously). She's a true mouthpiece of utter conjecture.

      For all the rhetoric, with Energy, she left in the same sorry state she found it, with an utterly useless head of Ofgem.

      To quote the Telegraph:

      "Energy companies that repeatedly offer poor customer service will have "no hiding place", under plans from Amber Rudd, the energy secretary, to strengthen the power of the ombudsman. Ms Rudd used her speech to the Conservative Party conference to announce a crackdown on misbehaving firms and industry-wide customer service problems.

      She said the ombudsman, which investigates complaints, would be given "real teeth" so he could look at systemic issues in the industry, not just individual cases.

      "Where companies have developed a pattern of bad behaviour, they will have no hiding place," she said.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11912792/Amber-Rudd-new-powers-to-tackle-repeat-offender-energy-companies.html

      1. Eddy Ito

        Re: Not to put too fine a point on it...

        It's only a matter of time before she or some equally daft pol demands that all communications devices be equipped with keyloggers that upload to the gov't in real time. 'Cuz tare-wrists are out there.

      2. Loyal Commenter Silver badge

        Re: Not to put too fine a point on it...

        People who parrot on about things like 'hiding places' are usually doing so because they understand the motivations and behaviour of others based upon their own 'theory of mind' - in other words, they project their own motivations onto others in order to try to understand them. Thus Rudd's obsession with 'hiding places' indicates that she is probably hiding from the repercussions of something herself, and is desperate to not be found out. I wonder what her 'dirty little secret' could be?

    4. John Smith 19 Gold badge
      Gimp

      "Amber Rudd..a fucking idiot..lesser understanding of the balances required..my teenage daughter.

      Much like the previous 9 or so Home Secretaries.

      All champions of the Snoopers Charter in its current or previous forms.

      It seems the only properly functioning section of the Home Office is it's PR department.

    5. Rich 11

      Re: Not to put too fine a point on it...

      But Amber Rudd is a fucking idiot with a lesser understanding of the balances required between utilitarianist freedoms vs oppression of the majority than my teenage daughter.

      Then perhaps they should swap places for a year. Rudd can go back to school and hopefully pay attention this time, while your lass can go into government and be a distinct improvement to it from day one.

    6. VanguardG

      Re: Not to put too fine a point on it...

      Your teenage daughter probably actually understands social media like Twitter. At least over here, people get addicted to that crap, probably much the same there.

      One woman in her 30's actually robbed a bank, WHILE CHATTING ON HER CELL PHONE. Twice, three days apart. Police took her into custody the day after her second "unauthorized funds withdrawal".

  3. sebt
    Pint

    depressing...

    I don't know what depresses me most.

    - The idiots who are in Government

    - The idiots who uncritically spam out their PR

    - The idiots who read it

    - The idiots who still vote for them.

    Rudd's "siding with the terrorists" crap raises an interesting question. If I had to choose to side with the terrorists or with Rudd (as her false dichotomy implies), which one would I choose? Tough one...

    Actually, the answer to this conundrum came quicker than I thought. I can't be arsed to side with either of them. Let them sort out their differences, unarmed, in a cage. While I have a beer.

    1. Aladdin Sane
      Pint

      Re: depressing...

      If it helps any, neither side wants you to drink beer.

    2. Elmer Phud

      Re: depressing...

      'Terrorists' are even much, much better at wielding a mouse than Rudd.

    3. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

      Re: depressing...

      Sheesh, anyone would think that there is an election just around the corner. Oh wait... Yep, there is.

      Be prepared for more of this before polling day.

      The incumbents have gotta look tough on terrorists because Jeremy's pals with a lot of freedom fighters (nee terrorists with a left wing bias)

      Old Trots never truly die that just wither away singing 'the red flag'.

    4. macjules

      Re: depressing...

      I find that red wine helps. After one glass politics tends to look a bit less depressing. After the bottle I could not care less.

      1. Red Bren
        Pint

        Re: depressing...

        We'll keep the red wine flowing here...

    5. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: depressing...

      @sebt,

      "Actually, the answer to this conundrum came quicker than I thought. I can't be arsed to side with either of them. Let them sort out their differences, unarmed, in a cage. While I have a beer."

      Are you some sort of naive berk?

      It's not a matter you siding with terrorism or the government. You don't choose your terrorist, they do the choosing and they really aren't too fussy. They would quite happily choose you. Ask a Parisian.

      On the other hand, you aren't having to live with a government that's actively trying to kill you. Count yourself lucky. Not everyone has that privilege. Better still their job is, in part, to keep you alive and stop someone else killing you. I strongly suspect they have more experience in this kind of thing than you do, so perhaps they know what they're talking about? You clearly don't.

      You even get a say in choosing the government. If you don't like this one, try persuading everyone to vote for one that suits your world view in the general election. If you want them to stop doing these things then fine, just don't go complaining about it if something changes your mind. I'm sure with comments like yours I suspect that they sometimes wonder why they bother seeking to preserve your existence on this planet.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: depressing...

        Grew up in Belfast with terrorists trying to kill me.

        The ones nominally targeting me were the ones supported/funded by the British government (as opposed to one supported/funded by the Irish and Americans)

        Then one lot blew up a bit of London and worryingly it looked like it could affect the banks, so suddenly there are no terrorists just a bunch of "statesmen" being invited to meet Prince Charles

        1. Rich 11

          Re: depressing...

          just a bunch of "statesmen" being invited to meet Prince Charles

          That was quite a clever ploy, though. If they'd reverted to type at that meeting, we wouldn't have lost anything.

      2. Afernie

        Re: depressing...

        "I'm sure with comments like yours I suspect that they sometimes wonder why they bother seeking to preserve your existence on this planet."

        Amber.. is that you? I didn't think you knew how to work these computer contraptions with the hash thingies.

      3. Loyal Commenter Silver badge

        Re: depressing...

        On the other hand, you aren't having to live with a government that's actively trying to kill you. Count yourself lucky.

        Unless of course, you are poor, or disabled, or an NHS nurse, in which case they are trying to starve you out.

  4. jonha

    Rudd is just a fast learner: those who don't do my bidding must be terrorists. Just look at the US, Turkey, Israel... anyone "misbehaving" gets their T-moniker.

  5. James 51

    Mr. Python had a sketch about witches and ducks. I think they've taken the logic from this scene and applied it as required.

    1. Tom 7

      Re Mr. Python

      But the pebbles were used as hygrometers in the sketch. Here they are used as brains.

      1. Aladdin Sane

        Re: Re Mr. Python

        So the government is filled with Gumbys?

        1. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

          Re: Re Mr. Python

          Oblig

          "Oh.... My brain hurts"

          sorry couldn't resist.

          1. Geoffrey W

            Re: Re Mr. Python

            RE: "My brain hurts"

            Probly coz you've been eating squirrels. I mean, "'I' dont eat squirrels, do I"

        2. hplasm
          Unhappy

          Re: Re Mr. Python

          "So the government is filled with Gumbys?"

          Yes- oddly true, whoever gets in.

    2. Elmer Phud

      python and witches

      yeah but, no but, yeah but - I cannot see any of our current coven actually owning up that they have screwed up big time or know completely bugger all.

      No 'It's a fair cop' from this lot.

    3. g e

      With the exception

      That she won't "Get better"

  6. Your alien overlord - fear me

    I think I should start an Indigogo campaign to get enough money so I can buy Twitter. Then I'd just close it down. It just facilitates too much trouble in the world.

    1. Elmer Phud

      Aaaaaaand what would replace it, oh worthy overlord?

      FB Live?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Mastodon.social

      2. Rich 11

        People talking to each other like normal.

  7. Dan 55 Silver badge
    Paris Hilton

    They don't want to go after terrorists, they want to go after tourists

    Watch: Theresa May’s Brexit blunder

    Makes perfect sense that they want to be able to scan social media for holiday pics if Britain is to lead the world in preventing tourism.

    1. twellys

      Re: They don't want to go after terrorists, they want to go after tourists

      Classic!

    2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: They don't want to go after terrorists, they want to go after tourists

      If you live in an area that attracts tourists you come to regard the two words as interchangeable.

      (OK they're not. Interchangeable is different word.)

  8. Roger B

    Anyone know where the other parties stand on this issue?

    1. Chronos

      Pointless question. It's the Sir Humphreys who push this agenda, which is why it keeps coming back regardless of who wins in the general erection.

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