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Windows 10 was launched on July 29, 2015, just over 18 months ago, consigning the Windows 8 experiment to history and introducing the idea of "Windows as a service" – or in other words an operating system that (with a few exceptions) updates itself whether you like it or not. Now here comes the Creators Update, or version 1703 …

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  1. anonymous boring coward Silver badge

    Annoyed by ads in File Explorer?

    Hang on! Ads in Explorer?

    Some people get that? (Makes my hair stand on end in horror..)

    1. John Riddoch
      Black Helicopters

      New one on me too, although I use Windows 10 Pro hooked up to a domain (Samba on the NAS) rather than a Home version which may make a difference.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Ads

      Not sure what the raison d'etre for this is. I'm looking at files on my local machine and it's showing me ads? The likelihood is that I would never, ever buy any product/service marketed in this way.

      Of course, being slightly technical, a hosts file update or a firewall rule would be swiftly put in place.

      1. anonymous boring coward Silver badge

        Re: Ads

        I'm looking at files on my local machine and it's showing me ads?

        And given how often Explorer just hangs waiting for something random that you aren't even remotely interested in, what are the odds that this won't make Explorer even more intolerable?

        If anything ever needed a complete rewrite from scratch it would be File Explorer. It it still part of the entire desktop GUI, BTW?

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Ads

        except Microsoft now has a habit or ignoring the Hosts file. :-(

      3. joed

        Re: Ads

        While you may "never, ever buy any product/service marketed in this way", you may end up in Windows Store looking for an add blocker app for your File Explorer. This is how MS wins.

    3. Dan 55 Silver badge

      If you uncheck sync provider notifications then you will also not know when your cloud storage is full or similar problems.

      Essentially they stuck adverts on OneDrive desguised as info or warning messages.

      1. Steve K

        So does that mean that if you don't use OneDrive then you won't see them?

        1. Dan 55 Silver badge

          So does that mean that if you don't use OneDrive then you won't see them?

          No. One more reason not to use it.

      2. RonWheeler

        Android

        still leads the way in this junk. Every other app spams you with ads for sister products under the guise of notifications. Sad to see MS follow it down the plughole.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Android

          But I can still compile Android without the crap or still root most devices to add blocking.

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Thumb Up

      Ads in Explorer?

      If I was head of marketing at Ubuntu, I'd try and get my ads into Explorer asap.

      This will get hacked to buggery, and the results will be hilarious.

      1. Captain DaFt

        Re: Ads in Explorer?

        "This will get hacked to buggery, and the results will be hilarious."

        MS boasts that Win10 has, what, 10 million installs now?

        I see nothing hilarious about a botnet that size!

    5. Anonymous Coward
      Windows

      @ABC ;-)

      "Hang on! Ads in Explorer?"

      I was wondering about that myself as well. And it seems Microsoft even tries to add insult to injury because how do you combine that with this one: "Privacy and Windows 10 is a hot topic."?

      Doesn't one, by definition, rule out the other here?

      Anyway, thanks El Reg for a really nice insight article. I still don't like the very flat and dull looking interface, especially not when compared to my trusty rich looking Windows 7. I still don't understand why people would go along with that.

      I mean... We've had years worth of development with graphic cards (GPU) and accelerators and all that. And what do you get with Windows 10? A flat, dull, colorless interface which sometimes makes me think back about Windows 2.0.

      Even Windows 3.1 / 3.11 was better looking (in comparison), they really worked hard on some of the icons and some were honestly small pieces of art. This became especially true when the real fans started to release icon libraries of their own.

      But now? I still have zero motivation to upgrade, and it's not because I'm unwilling to try something new but because the whole thing looks so horribly unappealing to me.

    6. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      'Hang on! Ads in Explorer?'

      Win-10 Ads are standard now... Been hiding away somewhere?..

      Win-10 bypasses Hosts file requires blocking at Router level!

      https://betanews.com/2017/03/12/disgustingly-sneaky-windows-10-ads/

      1. Kubla Cant

        Re: 'Hang on! Ads in Explorer?'

        Win-10 bypasses Hosts file requires blocking at Router level!

        Presumably you can use an ad-blocking proxy server such as Privoxy. You might need to run it on a separate box, but any old retired computer running a basic Linux would probably suffice.

        1. HelpfulJohn

          Re: 'Hang on! Ads in Explorer?'

          "... unning a basic Linux would probably suffice."

          If you are going to the trouble of running Linux, basic or not, why would you cripple it by linking it to a Win-10 box? Just replace Windows. Then you don't need the "... old retired computer ..." as an intermediary.

    7. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Yep, depending on where you live and how much you paid for your version of Windows 10. You will be monitised to pay it back.

  2. anonymous boring coward Silver badge

    "Compact Overlay"

    What a great, great invention!

    Had it in 1993 in Linux... (fvwm or some such window manager. Those were the days!)

    1. gv

      I still use fvwm -- lovely window manager.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Happy

      Had it on my Atari Falcon, nice to see Linux playing catch up.....

      1. Kristian Walsh Silver badge

        Falcon

        Ah, so it was you who bought the third one... ;)

        Pleased to meet you after all these years.

    3. I am the liquor

      WS_EX_TOPMOST

      Windows has had it at least as far back as 3.1 in 1992. Probably further. The news is they've re-invented it for The Interface Formerly Known As Metro.

      I hear the next version of UWP brings back CGA graphics compatibility.

      1. Kubla Cant

        Re: WS_EX_TOPMOST

        I hear the next version of UWP brings back CGA graphics compatibility.

        Ah, but will it have the authentic on-screen snow when refreshing.

      2. bombastic bob Silver badge
        Joke

        Re: WS_EX_TOPMOST

        "I hear the next version of UWP brings back CGA graphics compatibility."

        To go with the 'worse than Windows 1.0' 2D FLATSO FLUGLY no doubt. We don't *NEED* more than 4 colors!

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Auto Wastebasket purging based on date?

    God no, please do not make this the default.

    I have rescued many systems over the years because the 'user' does not know how to empty the Wastebasket/deleted files folder. One was a scan of a passport that had been deleted a year before. Some scumbag nicked it during a burgulary. They wanted to know the Passport number. I found the .jpg waiting to be properly removed. If this was in place then that would have gone bye-bye a long time before that.

    I know why MS wants this but please don't make it the default OOTB. I expect they will.

    I'm so glad that I no longer have to use this POS on a daily basis. I'd have been tearing what little hair I have left out long ago.

    1. phuzz Silver badge
      WTF?

      Re: Auto Wastebasket purging based on date?

      Reminds me of an old boss who would delete every email that hit his inbox, other than what he was working on right now. If he needed an email after that he'd just trawl through the bin.

      Odd behaviour for an IT manager, and he was particularly annoyed when I empted the bin whilst fixing some other email problem on his computer. After that when I had paperwork for him to sign, I'd walk up to him and throw it in the bin. Oh how we laughed!*

      (* actually laughing may vary)

      1. Nick Ryan Silver badge

        Re: Auto Wastebasket purging based on date?

        I had a particularly daft "office manager" who stored emails that she didn't want in the deleted items in her mail client. These got deleted after a while (server based, therefore a deleted items purge was occasionally needed to make space). She only finally understood the stupidity of this when I went to went to her desk, took her paperwork in her in-tray and put it in her bin and asked her if she expected to see it there tomorrow after the cleaners had been in the evening. Sometimes physical demonstrations work well.

    2. davidp231

      Re: Auto Wastebasket purging based on date?

      "Wastebasket"

      Have you been loitering on UK installs of MacOS up to 8.6? Everyone else (and 9.0.4 and beyond) got 'Trash', and Win95 gave us Recycle Bin. Oh and OS/2 had 'Shredder'.

      As for auto-purging... System 6 and below did that every time an application was opened or was restarted. I think things stayed if Multifinder was running, can't easily check.

      I think 'Wastebacket' was the bst out of all of them though, but then System 6 was the first GUI that I used.

      1. Kristian Walsh Silver badge

        Re: Auto Wastebasket purging based on date?

        The word "wastebasket" is unknown in written English before the British-English version of the Macintosh system. It was coined by someone in Apple's Engineering department because the proper translation, "wastepaper basket", was too long to fit on the icon label.

        "Bin", the direct translation of "Trash[can]", may have been ruled out because of the word's meaning as an abbreviation of "binary", or maybe it just looked too short on-screen.

        Translating this wasn't exactly Apple's finest hour, and there's a certain fascination with wickerwork running through these. German used "Papierkorb", which, while at least being a real German word, was one that didn't universally mean "trashcan" - I have heard more than one German use the word to refer to an in-tray (literally it means a "basket for papers"). The French translation, "corbeille", gave up on the concept of paper altogether, and so simply meant a basket of any kind, including one you'd use for fruit or flowers.

        However, I'm deliberately using the past-tense for all these, because over the three decades, the repeated use of these translations in computer interfaces has retroactively given them the originally-intended meaning. "Wrong" words become "right" words once they're understood by enough people...

      2. bombastic bob Silver badge
        Devil

        Re: Auto Wastebasket purging based on date?

        I usually rename 'Wastebasket' or 'Trash' or whatever, using a Navy term.

        Back in the 3.1 era I had a shareware application called 'Toilet' that would flush, with (poorly done) animation and sound effects. when items were in it, the water was green [and of course the lid was up]. otherwise it was blue. And the lid would slam shut during the flush process, just because.

  4. 0laf
    Trollface

    "Windows update no longer reinstalls removed applications"

    I'll believe it when I see it.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Indeed, I gave up removing the monitised crap they load up, as within a day, it was forced back upon me.

      1. Alumoi Silver badge
        Trollface

        It's normal because the crapware is part of the operating system and not some apps installed by malicious 3rd parties.

        So MS is not lying, removed apps will not be reinstalled. Essential system components, on the other hand...

    2. Adam 52 Silver badge

      Does it still remove reinstalled applications?

    3. Law

      Will it let you remove apps like groove music? It's neither essential or wanted, yet, I can't uninstall this crap and many other nonessential uwp apps.

      1. D@v3

        Github power shell script

        I've been 'cleaning up' a bunch of windows 10 pro machines for deployment this week, and cam across a handy power shell script that removes a whole bunch of, stuff.

        https://github.com/W4RH4WK/Debloat-Windows-10/blob/master/scripts/remove-default-apps.ps1

        True to windows nature, doesn't work every time, sometimes needs to be run a couple of times, sometimes needs a re-boot, but it does (seem) to work.

        1. Nick Ryan Silver badge

          Re: Github power shell script

          True to windows nature, doesn't work every time, sometimes needs to be run a couple of times, sometimes needs a re-boot, but it does (seem) to work.

          This is due to the incompetent way the Windows store application works. If an update for an application is queued in the windows store (this is, of course, an invisible queue and cannot be purged) then regardless of whether or not you uninstall an application in the mean time the application will be reinstalled later. This gets dafter because of the useless speed of the process (probably due to not wanting to grind a PC to a crawl on startup, therefore understandable in intention) an update to an update can also be added to this update/installation queue. What should happen is that when uninstalling an application all pending update to the application are purged from the installation queue, but this seems to be beyond Microsoft.

          Of course, every time a new user accesses a Windows 10 system all the crappy default windows store applications are installed for them - these buggers are on a per user, per machine installation profile. Which gets added to arbitrarily by Microsoft.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Happy

    As a non-Windows user, this is getting funnier and funnier.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      >You release a surveillance product dressed up as an operating system, with adverts and a rent-able office suite, and they still don't switch away.

      1. Uncle Slacky Silver badge
        Linux

        The Stockholm syndrome is strong with Windows users...

  6. Clockworkseer

    "Option to install apps from Store only"

    And next version, it will be "Option to be able to install non-store apps."

    and then a version after that, the option will move to Advanced Developer Settings (like Android/iOS) and hidden from regular users.

    Eventually... well, you get the idea.

    1. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Linux

      "Option to install apps from Store only"

      And next version, it will be "Option to be able to install non-store apps."

      Next will be:

      a) Option to allow Win32 API applications to work [followed by complete blockage, "signed" UWP-only from "the store" only]

      b) Option to allow compiling from source on your own computer [followed by "disallow this renegade behavior"]

      c) Option to keep your existing version without paying a subscription, followed by (you guessed it) monthly rental of the PRIVILEGE of using Win-10-nic on YOUR computer.

      d) Option to allow ANY! OTHER! OPERATING! SYSTEM! on ANY! hardware upon which Windows could _POSSIBLY_ run. Then (you guessed it) the Micro-shaft Monopoly

      time to abandon Micro-shaft, for "a proper operating system" without "allow you" nor "prevent you" in it.

      (see icon for what I'm recommending, k-thx)

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    LTSB is the only version I would let anywhere near me

    All other Windows 10 editions can FOAD

    1. Planty Bronze badge

      Re: LTSB is the only version I would let anywhere near me

      Ironically the only version of Windows 10 I would go anywhere near (LTSB), is the one that normal Plebs on the street can't get.... Microsoft don't want you running the version of Windows 10 that only has the good stuff, and none of the bad stuff.

    2. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Devil

      Re: LTSB is the only version I would let anywhere near me

      All other Windows 10 editions can FOAD

      fixed. you're welcome.

    3. joed

      Re: LTSB is the only version I would let anywhere near me

      The problem with LTSB is that:

      - it requires KMS server (this can be arranged for;)

      - technically, one is breaking law just by distributing it outside corporate environment (so what;)

      - just like every other Windows version it's a rolling set of features. Tomorrow's LTSB may suck as bad as Anniversary edition. No fix here.

      At this point the version to have may the Chinese copy. Would this be grey or red import?

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    'you now get a list showing which service belongs to which process'

    Here's hoping this helps kill off some of the more invasive 'features'...

    1. Anonymous Coward Silver badge
      Trollface

      Re: 'you now get a list showing which service belongs to which process'

      Well, the service which tends to bog down all the machines I've investigated is... wuauclt, aka Windows Update. That's one hell of an invasive feature!

      1. VinceH

        Re: 'you now get a list showing which service belongs to which process'

        "Windows Update. That's one hell of an invasive feature!"

        For many people, an invasive feature is exactly what it became on 29th July 2015.

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