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More Brits' IDs stolen than ever before

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But remember, millenials, "nothing to hide, nothing to fear", so you keep posting your personal details all over social media, and using the same password for your bank account, 'cos security is just people being paranoid.

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"'cos security is just people being paranoid."

I remember a self proclaimed android expert woman telling me how silly I was for not trusting google (or anyone else on the internet for that matter) and how it was just a phone and couldn't possibly hurt me.

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Where?

More Brits' IDs stolen than ever before...

And that Security is to be found where?

In the ARM's (pun) of the ARPANet which was spun off from MILNet with the slow dawning of the realization that the C programming language descriptor is:

a:) Microcode (in size)

b:) Viral (considered harmful)

c:) Incapable of "Garbage" collection!

"nothing to hide, nothing to fear" - Bollock's complete and utter bollock's spun by people who do not understand that the original C language was actually a "WORM" and that it has been allowed to languish for so long that huge updates are long overdue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8

www.cybertelecom.org/notes/internet_history80s.htm

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Re: Where?

@dm_dv

Oh dear...

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The report only talks about the bad side of things....

Come Brexit, it looks like this could be a cottage industry for the English (sans Scots)!!

After all, outside of the (admittedly impressive) criminal empire that makes up our "finance industry" we don't have that much to offer, even our income from Scottish Shortbread could dry up in the near future.

A good solid foundation in identity theft could support many low income towns through the hard times.

Maybe the English will be looking to take the scammers "Crown" from the Boys in Lagos or even take on the Eastern European hackers at the own game?

Just pointing out that there are always two sides to any story

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Re: The report only talks about the bad side of things....

Are you suggesting straying on to Nigeria's turf?

Or is this about Embracing and Extending their basic concept?

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Re: The report only talks about the bad side of things....

Enough bollocks about the Scots.

Just because Andy Murray is only British when he loses, the Scots are only British when the times are good and they will only call an informal referendum when things definitely go to shit rather than before they might go to shit (in case they're wrong).

Cmon Jocks you can have an informal referendum any time you like. Do it already. Do it weekly if you want. It won't be legally binding but what have you got to lose?

At best that Jimmy Krankee look alike you have whining in your parliament will resign. Thats good for everyone...her only mission seems to be independence, I've never heard her talk about anything else.

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Re: The report only talks about the bad side of things....

At best that Jimmy Krankee look alike you have whining in your parliament will resign. Thats good for everyone...her only mission seems to be independence, I've never heard her talk about anything else.

That's because she is only shown on things like the "national" news when she is talking about something that affects the UK as a whole. Independence, in other words.

Meanwhile, on the same "national" news, the people of Scotland have to endure endless reports on things like the failing health, social care and education systems. Reports which very seldom make it clear that they are not "national", but apply only to England and Wales, or even to England only.

Just another reason why the people of Scotland are fed up.

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Re: The report only talks about the bad side of things....

It won't be legally binding...

Nor was the Brexit one, though all the politicos lied to pretend it was.

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Oh for goodness' sake

It's a tech story. Can we park the IndyRef/Brexit/whatever politicking somewhere else please?

Someone should reformulate Godwin's law with respect to referendums (referenda? Dunno, don't care, tired of it already).

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Re: The report only talks about the bad side of things....

Just another reason why 45% of the people of Scotland are fed up.

Fixed to be factually correct as of the last official referendum.

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Re: The report only talks about the bad side of things....

Can the English have a referendum on whether we want to keep Scotland just to even things up?

Don't get me wrong I like haggis, deep frying everything and drinking special brew down the park in the mornings.

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Re: The report only talks about the bad side of things....

I think you will find that the Scots who wish it tend to things other than Special Brew - that is a very English(Danish) tipple

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Re: The report only talks about the bad side of things....

My bad I was thinking gold label from tennants but then again I'm a cheaper the better sort of person.

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Re: The report only talks about the bad side of things....

Special Brew is probably right. Since Haggis has origins in Denmark as well as Special Brew. Thats probably why its a good pairing.

An English referendum on fucking the scots off would be complex.

There would be those who vote to keep them because they hate them and don't want to do them a favour and those that would vote to fuck them off because they hate them.

Personally Im only against plastic scots. The ones that have lived outside Scotland for decades that have more or less lost their accent that regularly fake their own accent to cling onto their Scottish heritage.

You can be Scottish and not have the accent, its ok.

Im half Manc, quarter Italian and quarter French but I don't smoke woodbines, sell onions and get out of my car to shout at traffic to cling on to my heritage. I simply acknowledge it.

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Re: The report only talks about the bad side of things....

Shurley some mistake, the "National News" is mostly about the SE of England if not just Greater London?

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I'm a victim

Lots of people post here as me. Its probably my fault though because I can't figure out how to set a password on the AC account.

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Re: I'm a victim

Hey! How'd you get into my account?

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Well, my ID was stolen. I am the rightful head of the British monarchy but some German and her Greek fella stole it from me.

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"I am the rightful head of the British monarchy" - so you are actually Richard IV?

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Nope, I'm Richard IV and so's my wife.

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Nope, I'm Richard IV and so's my wife.

Yeah, and your son's name is Bran ...

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Should not be possible to open a bank account online

Go back to the old way, actually have to go into the bank with some proper photo ID. Stop this "cheaper because digital" stuff, it's not to improve stuff for customers, it's so they can close branches and increase profits. Any negative side effect to the customer is tough luck.

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Re: Should not be possible to open a bank account online

"Go back to the old way, actually have to go into the bank with some proper photo ID."

What if there isn't any within a reasonable distance from you? Go back to barter?

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Re: Should not be possible to open a bank account online

That's not guaranteed, back in the day, the post office screwed up some of their mail forwarding when I changed address, allowing some ID theft folk to take a loan out in my name using letters delivered to old address. Only found out a few years later when debt collectors hassled me, handily the loan date and fact that lots of evidence of my address change (including from my bank, building society & solicitors e.g. , paperwork of sale of house and new mortgage & insurance on new address) meant I was in the clear, but (just like with more digital fraud) UK plod useless at doing anything about chasing up the fraud.

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Re: Should not be possible to open a bank account online

"Go back to the old way, actually have to go into the bank with some proper photo ID."

I tried that last year, and got sent away with instructions to go home and complete a new account application online.

<sigh>

The bank is question is now about to close its branch in my town. I suspect not because of general cost-cutting, but just because it's generally useless

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Re: Should not be possible to open a bank account online

I have no photo ID, what do you recommend I do? Stop this photo ID for everything crap, it proves nothing, other than you have a piece of plastic / paper that you have your photo glued onto.

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Re: Should not be possible to open a bank account online

"That's not guaranteed, back in the day, the post office screwed up some of their mail forwarding when I changed address, allowing some ID theft folk to take a loan out in my name using letters delivered to old address. "

The late, great Douglas Adams once had an issue very similar to that happen to him: he moved but all his mail, including bank stuff, ended up at his former address. It was this very issue that was the inspiration (and the initial plot) for his text adventure game Bureaucracy.

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Re: Should not be possible to open a bank account online

"I have no photo ID, what do you recommend I do? Stop this photo ID for everything crap, it proves nothing, other than you have a piece of plastic / paper that you have your photo glued onto."

Given that many places require a photo ID to perform anything significant, how do you go about your life without one?

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Re: Should not be possible to open a bank account online

the old way certainly didn't require photo id.

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Re: Should not be possible to open a bank account online

you say "I haven't got any id, would you issue me with some"

if they start wittering about driving licence or passport, politely inform them that you're neither driving nor trying to reenter the country. then stand there and await developments.

there is no legal requirement to possess any form of identification, although some organisations issue id for their own purposes, eg railcards.

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Re: Should not be possible to open a bank account online

Define one significant thing that requires photo id. There are thousands, if not millions who have no valid form of photo id, somehow we survive.

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Re: Should not be possible to open a bank account online

"what do you recommend I do". Let me do it for you. Just give me you information, I will provide the photo my self, just as a prank, if needed, I will try to do it by internet first and no need to thank me in advance. I would suggest two bank accounts too, just for safety.

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Re: Should not be possible to open a bank account online

Easy, no one ever asks for mine for example. I do have photoid though.

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I'm confused, because when I tried to open a current account - with Natwest, with whom I have had multiple saving accounts over the past ten years - they refused to let me. Reason: they couldn't find a credit report for me. The reason for that is that I lived and worked overseas for many years and since returning to the UK have not been employed by a UK company nor have I seen fit to borrow money from anyone. I explained al this to my local branch, but they are unable to overwrite the automated controls.

So how the fuck are people opening loan and bank accounts with stolen details when my own bank won't even let me have a debit card because of their own overly strict controls? Craziness, and clearly they are putting restrictions on the wrong areas or types of customers.

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The stolen ID has a credit history, and that's why it was stolen in the first place. There wouldn't be any point if the credit history was blank like yours, as they wouldn't be able to do anything with it.

Look on the bright side, you may not be able to open a bank account, but you're unlikely to be the victim of identity theft either.

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"I'm confused, because when I tried to open a current account ... they refused to let me. Reason: they couldn't find a credit report for me."

Set an accountant on the job and be prepared to deposit a chunk in the bank account he gets you. Remember that accountants get a commission for introducing customers to banks.

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they 're eclectic?

I guess they choose the victims well!

... or they don't, but just don't care for the ones that fail? you know the pets and cattle paradigm!

At least you can rest assured you won't be the victim of ID fraud

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It's NOT "identity theft"

This is old fashioned fraud - a criminal goes to the bank (physically or digitally) and pretends to be someone else. When the bank falls for the scam and hand out the money they blame the person who the criminal impersonated.

This is the bank getting scammed, but they find it convenient to blame someone else - it's not their fault is it? It's someone else who has problem.

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Re: It's NOT "identity theft"

This is old fashioned fraud - a criminal goes to the bank (physically or digitally) and pretends to be someone else. When the bank falls for the scam and hand out the money they blame the person who the criminal impersonated.

Yes, it's their money that has been stolen, not your identity.

You can't really steal someone's identity anyway, since a person doesn't cease to have an identity when a criminal impersonates them. They are still the same person.

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Re: It's NOT "identity theft"

el reg needs to start biting some hands here instead of pumping out the banksters talking points.

irresponsible lender hands money to liar, then tells lies about innocent third party, ably assisted by experian et al.

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Re: It's NOT "identity theft"

Very definitely this!

What surprises me most is nobody seems to have posted the Mitchell&Webb 'stolen your identity' sketch, unless I need my eyes tested...

Yes I do, it seems to be audio having been a radiomatic broadcast and not on the actual televisual apparatus...

M&W Your identity has been stolen

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Re: Mitchell&Webb "identity theft"

Darn it, why do I only have a single upvote! That's classic, Thank You!

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Re: It's NOT "identity theft"

"You can't really steal someone's identity anyway, since a person doesn't cease to have an identity when a criminal impersonates them. They are still the same person."

Not really. Name changes and all that. Your identity can indeedy-doody be usurped, against your will, by a well-heeled miscreant, leaving you with little recourse to get it back OR establish a new one. Try telling what you just said to a victim of such identity theft, especially one with no close ties or family.

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Re: It's NOT "identity theft"

"You can't really steal someone's identity anyway,"

If you're in India; Oh yes they can!

You literally become 'The Walking Dead'.

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Re: Mitchell&Webb "identity theft"

> Darn it, why do I only have a single upvote!

Hmmm ... would a long-time poster complaining about a lack of upvotes on elReg? Sounds fishy to me. How do we know it's you and not some imposter?

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let's not even mention companies house

just pop on to the website and get full director details and signatures en masse.........

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"just pop on to the website and get full director details and signatures en masse........."

Used to be a problem here in NL too. But now the "Handelsregister" no longers shows signatures on-line, if you want to see those you have to go to one of their offices in person.

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Re: let's not even mention companies house

What on earth makes you think that a signature should ever be accepted as authentication?

Like fingerprints, that's SECURITY DONE WRONG.

And it's easy to get hold of most people's signature. Ask them, make them sign for a parcel, or just get them to write you a letter.

There's no way that the system should let name + address + signature = confirmed identity.

Anyone who thinks so is DOING SECURITY WRONG.

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Re: let's not even mention companies house

Passwords are completely useless when a major high street bank allows a hacker with your (not very) personal info (name,address,DOB was all they needed, possibly from Companies House) to OVERWRITE your username and password and phone number with their own details to hack into your bank account and make off with £1600 worth of goods from click and collect stores!

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