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China announces it wants more immigrants, better diplomats and science-led industry

okay, but...

tell you what CN, repeal your one-party system, take human rights and patent/IP abuses seriously and then we in turn can take you seriously.

also, Mao was a terrible person.

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Don't forget their ridiculous claim on the *entire* South China Sea. Their so-called 44-Dash Line is a line width error away from running through downtown Manila.

The "44" is intentional. ...I hope that they come to their senses.

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Let's not forget their ridiculous Internet censorship and surveillance. Get rid of that and maybe we can talk turkey, China.

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Goals, goals, goals. But first, the most important goal:

"To get rich is glorious!" (致富光荣)

That is, before the goals you want, we must enrich the country by enriching the people. Once they have entrenched the yuan as the dominant world currency, then they can bestow beneficence on citizen and world alike.

(If you looked at world history, and with a long view, seeing the successes/failures and importantly the misdirected/mistimed efforts, in what order would you implement development, diplomacy, democracy, beneficence? And I think that is why the majority of Chinese aren't too vocal about direction - they are going along with "A rising tide floats all junks." I haven't seen too many missteps since Mao. Lots of face stomping, but not development missteps.)

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Well, get rid of ridiculous international warmongering, surveillance and spying. Get rid of that and maybe we can talk China, turkey.

Goose and gander, matey.

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Interesting all the comments from the armchair experts, whose vast knowledge about things Chinese is based solely on a walk to their local take-away and Daily Wail articles.

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Is that china's international warmongering, surveillance and spying? Or the US' international warmongering, surveillance and spying? Or Britain's? Or Russia's?

If its one thing that we all seem to agree on its the need for international warmongering, surveillance and spying :)

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Actually... fix the toilets first, specially the public ones. Then we'll talk.

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Personally I'd rather the world wasn't run the way I play anything from the Total War or Civilization series - an all consuming economy within a police state.

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You mean like the UK still hasn't fixed it's public toilets - since Victorian times.

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Once they have entrenched the yuan as the dominant world currency, then they can bestow beneficence on citizen and world alike.

Actually, that is already in progress. One of the pillars that kept the US dollar from crashing as it ought to given the countries staggering debt is that everyone needed it as a reserve currency. Now the Renminbi is accepted as a reserve currency in its own right it can start eating away at the dollar position. Add to that that the US has just lost its grip on the Euro thanks to a looming Brexit (messing up the Euro and the EU block was UK's main role in its "special" relationship with the US) and that pillar one gone.

Pillar two is the use of the US dollar as energy currency, which was the real reason the US went to war on Saddam Hussein: he had the temerity to start selling oil in Euros. The US could not afford the rest of the Middle East to do the same and so destabilise the dollar, so they dreamt up an excuse (eagerly assisted by one T Blair who did well out of it) and bombed the bejezus out of the nation as a warning to all the others. The problem: China did a big oil deal last year with Russia which involved no dollars at all, and they're a tad too big to bomb - they could actually meaningfully strike back, unlike the sort of backward places where you can just keep on sending drones, kill innocents and call it "collateral damage" to make it right (sorry, my cynicism escaped there, I'll put it back in its box).

The last gotcha with the US dollar is that it's not money (represented by real value), but currency (a floating value that can be manipulated at will) - those holding stores of dollar reserves are kept beholden to the US for not messing around with its value too much or their dollar stores devalue with it. There are only two things that hold up the US dollars up in value right now: trust and fear.

The Chinese government has always played the long game - and Trump is helping them mightily with taking the trust factor down quite a few notches. Or do you not realise just how low the trust in the US must have sunk for the Chinese to start offering something better?

For people who have been watching US international relations, this day is certainly one for the history books.

BTW, slight aside: here's an explanation of the difference between renminbi and yuan

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Well, get rid of ridiculous international warmongering, surveillance and spying.

Not sure if you're talking about the Chinese or the US here. As far as I can tell, the US has got a far larger and better developed network for spying and clandestine operations than the Chinese. At least the Chinese do not pretend to be anything but what they actually are.

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> You mean like the UK still hasn't fixed it's public toilets - since Victorian times.

I've not seen a broken public toilet in the UK for years. Then again I've not seen a public toilet for years as they've all been closed around here.

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At least you can usually count on one per town. You don't even get that in some countries.

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also, Mao was a terrible person.

Mao has been dead for 41+ years so that's not exactly a current concern. Nor can anything be done about it.

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No Mao was great! He was a beautiful leader, he made China Great again. Walls - they have a Great wall - and you can SEE it, not like that invisible wall keeping us safe from Mexican Muslim terrorists like the ones responsible for the Springfield massacre, and the Mexicans paid for the Chinese wall! And the Chinese also have a MOAT between themselves and Mexico - the Mexicans paid for that too.

And their leaders are a great colour - YELLOW - that's so much more beautiful than ORANGE.

Facts - they don't have lies or alternative facts - just what the leaders want people to hear - they are almost as good at it as the US dictator, Trump.

China's political system is so great, the people vote, then the establishment chooses the loser as the new leader - it's such a beautiful system.

(Sorry, too long for a tweet!)

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"fix the toilets first, specially the public ones"

Fix the food too. Last time I was there breakfast looked like Disgusting Things boiled in snot.

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Magical Thinking

That's just magical thinking on China's part. China will fail. The Don on the other hand has a rational plan which can't fail because it was approved by an Angel of Light in the guise of Bannon.

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Re: Magical Thinking

Do we call him Lucy from now on?

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Nah, China is too big to fail...

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So that's the plan then?

Watch what Trump does, do the opposite? ☺

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Re: So that's the plan then?

So by that logic, they'll field a spokeswoman with unnaturally large hands.

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Lana Kane?

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good try

, not.

They want innovation, but block innovation by limiting internet connectivity and using old education system. Most innovations today are based on previous innovations. You get free internet, you create search engine, webpage, entertainment, etc. Limiting them means they have to recreate the wheel.

See that fake apple store? Yea, they can only copy since innovation is limited for a good reason.

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And they're getting smarter with the engagement of better opponents/grander proponents

You have to admit that one thing at least, surely? Denial is delusional and results in self-harm and endless defeat.

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"politically steadfast, and strict in following discipline.”

Nope, lost me right there I'm afraid.

I'm politically steadfast in that I'm not a fan of oppressive regimes. If I take potshots at my glorious 'leaders' on twitter, I don't want to be disappeared thank you.

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Re: "politically steadfast, and strict in following discipline.”

If I take potshots at my glorious 'leaders' on twitter, I don't want to be disappeared thank you.

No, no, no, you got that all wrong. It's "extraordinarily rendered". If you take potshots from within HK, yes, that's a troublesome issue, but if you do this from anywhere else you won't have to worry about people in black sticking a needle in you and then flying your now inert body back to a place outside China so it can claim it doesn't do bad things to people.

The US certainly cannot claim the moral high ground here.

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Re: "politically steadfast, and strict in following discipline.”

In this context I like this statement in a recent speech by Angela Jolie:

The lesson of the years we have spent fighting terrorism since Sept. 11 is that every time we depart from our values we worsen the very problem we are trying to contain.

In my opinion a nice and succinct summary.

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Realpolitik

Europe should get closer to China, at least to counterbalance the new US-Russia axis.

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Europe should get closer to China, at least to counterbalance the new US-Russia axis.

It's a b*tch to move, though..

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It's a b*tch to move, though..

I don't know about moving closer to China, but Europe is moving away from the US at about 2cm/year according to the geologists.

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"It's a b*tch to move, though.."

All you need is a couple of big trucks and a marching choir :-)

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"Europe should get closer to China... [...] It's a b*tch to move, though..."

Well, once the Hard BrexitTM has happened, Europe will be a bit lighter.

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Unlike, oh, where exactly?

While making these claims, China runs concentration camps where dissidents are harvested of organs for the Party hierarchy, and any member of the media who dares criticise the Party line is liable to wind up in concentration camps being DNA -tested for matching those Party members.

They are dredging ecologically sensitive reefs in order to build military bases on reefs that properly belong to the Philippines according to the International Court in the Hague. Where is the outrage such actions should provoke from the Greens?

Compared to this moral abyss, the USA has plenty of moral high ground compared to China.

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Re: China deports North Koreans in violation of UN treaties

Kim Jong-nam has he just been killed?

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Sorry!

Didn't they boycott Ivanka Trump? Shoes.com, now in receivership!

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