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Bank robber reveals identity – by using his debit card during crime

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Natural selection at it's finest.

At least for the next few years he won't be contributing to the gene pool.

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JC_

Re: Natural selection at it's finest.

Classic! Isn't prison rape just a hilarious joke?

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Re: Natural selection at it's finest.

"Classic! Isn't prison rape just a hilarious joke?"

Not if its done without the benefit of soapy water or cooking oil

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Re: Natural selection at it's finest.

Don't worry. It will get more chance to reproduce than the average nerd. Lots of women prefer this kind of men, it's the trill factor. Why mate with a responsible, clever man? It's just boring, c'mon.

He will also have a chance to start a relationship through prison letters.

Watch the "Idiocracy" movie. It is set in a distant future, but it looks that future wasn't so distant...

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Re: Natural selection at it's finest.

"it's the trill factor"

So the guy's a singer, too??

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Re: Natural selection at it's finest.

True, but he would have been caught anyway, since everyone in the UK is already spied on 24/7

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Re: Natural selection at it's finest.

@joe. That's an impressive camera that can see and record San Diego from the UK. Stick to the snooker, reading, or perhaps geography, doesn't seem to be your forte.

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Re: Natural selection at it's finest.

Oh, maybe you'll see him at X-Factor as soon he's released from jail <G>

The other day on a newspaper that once was one of the most respected ones in Italy, I saw an article about the criminal who became a model because women liked his face in his mug shot when he was arrested.... now he will get a lot of chances to reproduce, don't worry.

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Re: Natural selection at it's finest.

"Stick to the snooker, reading, or perhaps geography, doesn't seem to be your forte."

I don't thinl grammer is your forte Symon :p

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Re: Natural selection at it's finest.

I don't thinl grammer is your forte Symon :p

Or spelling yours... :-)

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Re: Natural selection at it's finest.

"it's the trill factor"

So their Budgies bounce with health!!!

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Why don't I just mosey on down and rob the bank

I'm having a bit of trouble grasping the logic of his actions. From what I gather, he leisurely presented himself at the bank, presented himself without any mask of headgear, displayed his intentions and got some money. Did he have a gun ? Not specified. He then leisurely went back home while the bank, the FBI and a bunch of computers churned frantically. When finding the law at his door, he folded and waived his rights, resulting in a 4-year sentence.

Feels like he was tired of his apartment and wanted to try something else for a while. And 4 years instead of 20 - that might indicate the absence of any weapon. For sure the judge does not appear to think that he's overly dangerous.

He's a nut, for sure, but more in need of nice men in white coats than surly wardens in black gear.

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Re: Why don't I just mosey on down and rob the bank

Agreed, sounds like a plea for help

In a country with no unemployment benefits, and minimal health care, for some people prison is the safest, warmest, best fed place to be

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In a country with no unemployment benefits, .....

Are we to assume that you get your facts about the US from the opinion columns of the Graun?

US payments in respect of unemployment benefits were $2.28 billion for the month of November 2016, and were somewhere around $35bn in the year to November. And that's in addition to programmes like food stamps that hand out a further $70bn a year, an assortment of targeted family aid programmes that hand out more than $200bn more, and other non-family social security programmes that dish out about $190bn - altogether around $500bn a year, excluding pensions or disability benefits. On a per-capita population basis this is the same order of magnitude as similar UK benefits costs which total around £80bn a year.

and minimal health care,

There's a certain amount of truth in that, but I don't think you should be too complacent. The US has about the same, maybe slightly more doctors per capita than the UK. And in which developed country has the Red Cross recently described the state health service as suffering a "humanitarian crisis"? I live near one the hospitals particularly singled out for criticism, and my other half works in the NHS, and I know for a fact the situation is really, really bad. I'd rather become ill in the US than in Worcestershire.

for some people prison is the safest, warmest, best fed place to be

For some, perhaps. But the rate of assaults in the US prison system is about 1 in 5 inmates attacked by another inmate, and the same proportion reporting assault by prison staff. And there's some prisons feeding the inmates for 40 cents per meal, so I doubt that's going to count as a filling and nutritious meal.

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They spend a lot more per head on health over in the US yet health coverage is not universal even with Obamacare so it depends if your priority is you (I'm assuming you'd earn enough to be able to afford healthcare) or if you feel everyone should get a level of care. If we funded the NHS as well as Americans pay for their system wyoud also probably find you'd get the same level of care they do but covering the whole population!

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Re: Why don't I just mosey on down and rob the bank

If I go to the bank, present my debit card and ask for $565, that's called "making a withdrawal".

Who was it who, when asked "why do you rob banks?", replied "that's where the money is"? That's just not true any more. You have to be pretty far down the bell curve to even think about robbing a bank nowadays - the payoff-to-risk ratio must be one of the lowest of any type of crime.

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Re: Why don't I just mosey on down and rob the bank

This is in the US. Would not even be surprised if this was a good move for him, if he as health issues and no insurance. Inmates get taken care of better then the general population.

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40c per meal isn't as bad as it sounds, I live on 2 minute noodles or a bowl of plain rice at home(not a food person)!

Theirs would be more nutritious from basic human rights laws in place surely?

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>There's a certain amount of truth in that, but I don't think you should be too complacent. The US has about the same, maybe slightly more doctors per capita than the UK. And in which developed country has the Red Cross recently described the state health service as suffering a "humanitarian crisis"? I live near one the hospitals particularly singled out for criticism, and my other half works in the NHS, and I know for a fact the situation is really, really bad. I'd rather become ill in the US than in Worcestershire.<

There is definitely a crisis in the NHS, brought about by the last 6 years of government deliberately running it into the ground in order that they can propose rescuing it by full privatisation. However, for the time being the health service is still free at the point of access. Did you know that the most common cause of bankruptcy in the states is medical bills? Even a heart attack can easily cost $1m.

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Who was it who, when asked "why do you rob banks?"...

Willy Sutton.

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On a per-capita population basis this is the same order of magnitude as similar UK benefits costs which total around £80bn a year.

I don't know where you have got your figures from but they are well off. £80bn doesn't even cover pension costs. https://fullfact.org/economy/welfare-budget/ breaks down the figures and arrives at a total of £217bn.

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Curious

How is the guy being 'a registered sex offender' relevant?

Why was it mentioned?

Are these people more likely to rob banks, and do the job badly?

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How is the guy being 'a registered sex offender' relevant?

Why was it mentioned?

Are these people more likely to rob banks, and do the job badly?

Maybe they get distracted more easily?

:)

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Re: Curious

It is a headline grabber. Just be thankful that 'terrist' wasn't lobbed in too. You can be a sex offender for getting caught short and taking a leak in a public place. So the tag sex offender is meaningless.

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"How is the guy being 'a registered sex offender' relevant?

Why was it mentioned?"

It's just possible that the register also had his address, just in case they needed to check that the bank's records weren't out of date. It also indicates prior convictions which might affect sentence. Just a couple of obvious answers, I'll leave you to work out if there are more.

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Previous criminal record?

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How is the guy being 'a registered sex offender' relevant?

It's another database. So they could get a picture of him easily.

It aids detection, not likelihood of criminal behaviour. Although it probably shouldn't have been queried in this situation, as there was no hint of sexual activity...

Vic.

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The article says they got his photo from the "Motor Vehicles database" - not from the sex-offenders database.

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Get his ID from Motor Vehicle records? Where's the fun in that?

Now, his new mate Bubba knows...Oh, dearie.

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A registered sex offender is on permanent parole basicly. They have to register where they are living at all times with the local authorities; an address that may not match the driver's license. Also, the bank would have his address on file from the account information.

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Perhaps the bank was next door to a school? Hopefully he was as inept at sexual offending as he was at bank robbery.

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A registered sex offender, or offender of any kind is less likely to have a job and therefore more likely to turn to crime in order to survive.

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Sounds like

He wanted to be arrested and banged up to me. I don't think this is a case of a bungled robbery at all.

Lets look at the facts.

Hes a registered sex offender. So probably cant get a job and likely has very few friends.

He gave away his identity.

He didnt resist arrest or the search of his place.

He waived his rights.

I think he wanted to go to jail.

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Re: Sounds like

Being a sex offender does not make him popular in prison, to say the least. I think he's just stupid and dumb.

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Being a sex offender does not make him popular in prison, to say the least.

That depends on the specific offence that got him on the register. US press would not call hime "just" a sex offender if it had anything to do with kids, which is when he would indeed not have a pleasant stay. If, OTOH, it was something to do with a bike which is apparently enough to get listed in the UK I suspect it'll be less of an issue.

To be honest, I'm a bit puzzled by that tidbit as well - apparently there's so little meat to the story that they have been casting the net wide to add anything that was interesting to a US audience.

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I have a gut feeling that the "a registered sex offender", tidbit was put in to help the collective conscience and aid with the "let's all point and laugh at the bungling pervo, possibly even paedo..." element of the story.

Perhaps. I dunno, maybe...

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Re: Sounds like

Well it's not like it's hard to find out what it means. In this case the offense was sexual battery. What it doesn't say is when the offense occurred as he's 57 years old, it could easily have been a long time ago.

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@ Eddy Ito

That site is offensive. I find it unacceptable that a private company is allowed to splash such details of personal life for all and sundry. It should be a government-owned database with managed access and curated data. This is tabloid material made for exciting puritans.

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Re: @ Eddy Ito

Court records are public, and almost everyone convicted of a sexual offence is named in the court records, along with the sentencing.

It trivially simple for any tabloid to create their own database of "sex offenders" - or indeed any other offence.

The only question is whether they think making it public is good commercial sense.

Worse still, because suspects are named, they can even maintain a database of innocent people who have been accused of same.

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Worse still, because suspects are named, they can even maintain a database of innocent people who have been accused of same.

The only difference is that the accused aren't required to input their last known address so if they move it becomes much harder for the vigilante types to stalk them. For instance there were several links for this particular individual with addresses in multiple states. I don't know if this is the current one or not it was merely the first in the search results I found.

Of course I could have simply used the California government database which is more up to date and lists his address as "incarcerated". It even has a handy map search which is likely to scare the pants off most who won't realize what it takes to be on the list. In looking for a few seconds I managed to find a gent who is in his 70s and has been on the list since 1959. My guess is that given his "crime" his high school sweetheart was the daughter of a local VIP.

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Nothing new here

I remember some idiot ordering very dodgy videos from overseas using a credit card registered to his halls of residence address, nearly twenty years ago. I won't go into too much detail about the material, child "actors" were involved and NOT in a good way.

The package was intercepted in transit, and an undercover police operation was launched to catch said idiot when he went to collect it from the local sorting office.

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The problem with crime is that sometimes you just can't get good staff.

http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/hapless-burglar-chased-hit-shovel-12409920

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Excessive sentence

He doesn't deserve jail time. He should have to go through school again, starting in Kindergarden, and not being allowed to leave until he's got the US equivalent of some A-levels. Thern he might be safe to live on his own and handle sharp things and matches.

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Your honor, I object

He was found not guilty at trial when his lawyer argued that 1) That police had failed to advise him of his rights before he committed the crime 2) The defendant would have exercised his 5th amendment rights (not left the self-incriminating evidence) if he had been so advised

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Re: Your honor, I object

Is that supposed to be an attempt to suggest that the courts are too lenient? Don't give up the day job.

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Is that supposed to be an attempt to suggest that the courts are too lenient?

Nope, just an attempt at a little humor. Go pick your fight somewhere else.

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People don't believe me...

Living in San Diego, my friends from afar don't believe me when I describe the sea of stupidity that is Southern California. Here's just another example.

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In the context of criminal behavior that you can't wrap your head around, I was just reading about Esteban Santiago, the 26-year-old who shot up the Fort Lauderdale, Florida, airport yesterday. 5 people died and 8 were wounded. Of the 8 wounded, 3 are in intensive care.

There was this in The New York Times story:

"Mr. Santiago, appearing 'agitated and incoherent,' said 'that his mind was being controlled by a U.S. intelligence agency,' the official said."

It occurred to me that pretty much most of El Reg's forum regulars are "agitated and incoherent," so expect a visit from various three-letter agencies. You've been warned.

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There's practically no mental health support

So instead of taking his guns away and getting him the mental health services he needed, they let him keep all his guns and stopped watching him.

This blood is on the US Government and the NRA's hands.

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