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Microsoft goes retro with Vista, Zune-style Windows Neon makeover

retro?

it's not retro until i can get my beloved windows classic look dessert theme back dammit!

and get off my lawn!

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Re: retro?

Damn Hipsters, coming on here saying the Windows Classic Look is retro.

What happened to Windows 1.0 eh? Too old for you or something?

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Re: retro?

you're not a hipster if you have been (and still are on W7) using it since it was introduced.

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and GET OFF MY LAWN!

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I WAS HERE BEFORE IT WAS A LAWN!

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"... classic look dessert theme ..."

Android seemed to be running a dessert theme with their release names but it wasn't consistent.

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Not desserts. Sweets. Eclairs, ice cream sandwiches, and Kit Kat bars are all considered sweets.

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i was here when it was still the ocean floor.

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i have my own, beloved, dessert theme which i have saved. it began as the desert theme, but i modified it. it's called dessert because of an hilarious mistake i made while playing a quiz machine in the pub years ago, but i digress.

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Re: retro?

"i was here when it was still the ocean floor."

I was here when Atlantis was a thing.

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"I was here when Atlantis was a thing."

Atlantis isn't a thing anymore?! When did that happen???

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He's right, you know.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history

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hey I was here when like came on a 5.25 floppy and it took voodoo to make the boot loader work.

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I was here when the "I was here when ..." meme was still considered funny.

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I was here when Atlantis was a thing.

I thought it is still a thing - just in the Pegasus galaxy and you need a ZPM to dial a Pegasus prefix code on the Stargate.

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Re: retro?

Used Windows 7 since it was introduced?

Oh heavens no. I was using XP at that time; it would be several more years (well into the Windows 8 years) before I would first try Windows 7. Why upgrade when the existing product is serving your needs nicely?

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Because it's at EOL which means any security holes left in it will remain unpatched, meaning you put that thing on a network (not just the Internet) and you risk getting pwned (because any other machine on your LAN could be used to bridge over to the XP machine and go from there). IOW, it's probably already in a "broken" state.

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I remember when all this wasn't trees!

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Still not as good as it used to be...

Seems to me they are attempting to fix what they broke by replacing the Win 7 style with Metro, and the original Win 7 styling is still better...

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Re: Still not as good as it used to be...

So.... we're going from having to have a touch screen to fully use the functionality of the interface to having to have AR goggles to use all the features, yes?

My feelings on this are perfectly summed up by the following exchange I witnessed at "Turtle Talk with Crush" at Epcot this christmas. (Please Insert your own comic timing):-

Small Child:- "Did you know that people sometimes eat fish?"

Crush:- " "

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Re: Still not as good as it used to be...

I'm having to use Windows 7 again for the first time since 2012. It feels so "icky". I much prefer the cleaner look of Windows 10.

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Re: Still not as good as it used to be...

Well the beauty of Windows 7 is that if you don't like Aero Glass, you're just a few clicks away from a flatter, classic theme. Unlike with Windows 10 where if you don't like what MS have done with the styling, you're SOL.

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Re: Still not as good as it used to be...

Shame upon you for expressing an unpopular opinion.

Win10 irrevocably taints all those who touch it and even the most tangential comment of not hating every line of code deserves downvotes [/sarcasm]

Have an upvote to redress the balance somewhat

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Re: Still not as good as it used to be...

Nice! That shut that stoner turtle up! I like to remind all bothersome birds that I enjoy cooking and eating them. The cats think that I'm funny.

Anyway, for VR goggles you need VR gloves! Basically, any tight-fitting glove equipped with those awful little joystick nubs they used to put in the middle of every single laptop PC keyboard ever made before 1998. There's one at the end of each one for your finger, and they malfunction in the same manner providing you with that MS VR experience you've been craving!

Oh, you guys, they said the Z-word! Break out your Zunes and rock the Friday like it was October 2011!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zune

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Re: Still not as good as it used to be...

Right, it's *STILL* 2D FLATSO FLUGLY, no matter HOW much lipstick you put on the boar...

and no doubt, still spying on you, forcing you to take "updates" or they'll shove them up your down your throat.

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"I'm having to use Windows 7 again for the first time since 2012. It feels so 'icky'. I much prefer the cleaner look of Windows 10."

should I treat this the way the ARROGANT MILLENIAL MICRO-SHAFT SHILLS treat those who do NOT like Win-10-nic?

You know, things like:

a) Refusing to 'CHANGE BACK' to something that's obviously better

b) Get on board, deal with it, it's the way things ARE, suck it up, etc.

c) don't want to "learn new things" (or in this case, re-learn old things)

d) Resisting "change" (or in this case, change BACK)

e) everybody ELSE likes it so you should, to

etc.

naw. I'll leave it alone. heh.

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Re: Still not as good as it used to be...

And it's only a theme. Why can't they make them choosable again? If people want to make it look like 2000 or Fisher Price or 7 instead of Flatland why shouldn't they?

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Re: Still not as good as it used to be...

It's a start. Now they just need to remove all the dodgy telemetry, compulsory updates and have a lifecycle of a few years between each version like they used to. That worked.

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Well, you see, things like user-selectable themes are found in products that are meant to serve the needs of the users. There is no benefit to having those in a product that is engineered to serve its publisher; it's already been maximally engineered to promote Microsoft's branding efforts and to serve its purposes.

The Windows 10 theme is carefully designed to de-emphasize the jarringly ugly flatness of UWP or "app" bits of the system. Having a return to even a modest level of skeuomorphic design would only serve to increase the appearance gap between native Win32 elements and UWP app elements, which would make the UWP things look even more out of place than they already do, and since promoting Microsoft's UWP vision is one of the primary objectives of Win 10, that would be quite counterproductive.

The same would be true of adding any colors other than the stark white on white with a side of white; anything else would only emphasize the ugly grayness of UWP out of the box, with only the exception of copying the gray UWP dullness itself, which would make the entire Windows 10 "experience" seem dull and gray too. It's one of those paradoxical situations where making the color scheme more coherent between UWP and Win32 (by making Win32 as dull and gray as UWP) would be more harmful to the goal of normalizing UWP than helpful.

Oh, you were wondering about the user's needs instead of Microsoft's? Sorry, I don't understand that. How again would serving your needs promote Microsoft's agenda? I'm afraid I don't get the gist of what you're asking. Please restate the question in a form that emphasizes how it would serve Microsoft's interests so that an answer can be properly given in that context.

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@bombastic bob Re: Still not as good as it used to be...

Moi? A millenial? How dare you, Sir!

I started using Windows with version 2.0 and progrmaming Excel Macros. I've used every version, although ME and XP were the worst, I just never got on with the Fisher Price look of XP, there the classic shell was a godsend. Vista was a huge improvement, 7 an improvement over Vista, 8/8.1 was "different", but some of its additons made it worthwhile over 7 and 10 is, for non-touch users, another leap forward over 8.1. For touch users, it is a mixed bag.

And, to be honest, I still remember the arguments about how bad Windows 95 Start Menu was and it was lucky that it still came with the Program Manager for "real" users.

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Re: Still not as good as it used to be...

That 'icky' feeling is the lack of 'data slurp' by MS, if you have selected your updates correctly, and the fact that you can get more work done when you are not 'fighting' the UI. :)

Did I mention that I am not a fan of win 10 !!!!!?????

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I still remember being excited by some of the experimental UIs a university professor showed us almost twenty years ago. Some of the things have come to pass such as searching for files instead of the more tradional nested folders but the majority of it still sits in text books. This padding was suppose to have disappeared a long time ago.

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Can you elaborate on what's "missing"?

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What is clickable FFS ?

Do they indicate what is clickable or where one should enter text with easy-to-understand clues like 3D borders ?

Or are they still putting form over function ?

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I'll say it before Bob gets here with his pointless upper case: still fugly.

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Devil

"I'll say it before Bob gets here with his pointless upper case: still fugly."

too late. heh.

Micro-shaft can't even find a 'decent interface look' with both hands and a map [especially since windows '95 through 7 are sitting there STARING BACK AT THEM, wondering W.T.F. Micro-shaft is doing...]

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Bob?

"I'll say it before Bob gets here with his pointless upper case: still fugly."

too late. heh.

Micro-shaft can't even find a 'decent interface look' with both hands and a map [especially since windows '95 through 7 are sitting there STARING BACK AT THEM, wondering W.T.F. Micro-shaft is doing...]

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Oh.. I thought he meant Microsoft Bob

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Blur disbanded

No blurring, please!

My eyes are somehow very sensitive to blurring and I just can't cope with looking at blurred images for more than a couple of seconds. My eyes "hurt" as they constantly try and adjust and focus on the blurry image.

I can't watch a lot of reality TV and news reports, where faces, logos etc. are blurred out. It just makes my eyes sore and gives me a headache. (On a side note, why don't they sort out before filming, which logos can be shown or not? "Sorry, you can't wear that T-Shirt, it is not suitable for broadcast / we don't have the rights." With live news it isn't an option, but if you are going to be filming people for a long period of time, get it sorted before you f'ing well start filming, don't do it in post!)

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Re: Blur disbanded

They have to do it in post because, sometimes, the talent insist "I'll wear what I damn well please, and if you don't like it, cancel the show!" And since sudden cancellations have occurred over talent issues, it's something producers have to take into consideration in order to keep network bigwigs happy. As for the other instances, it's like you said: impromptu and therefore impossible to control fully: especially in public places where First Amendment issues crop up. That's why people who don't want to be taped/photographed put The Finger in front of their faces.

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Re: Blur disbanded

That's become a problem since I've had both lenses replaced in cataract surgeries. Not too much an issue after the first, but the second? Yow! You have my sympathies.

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Re: Blur disbanded

Talent? In heavily scripted, massively overproduced so-called "reality" TV?

Post proof or retract.

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Re: Blur disbanded

"Talent...Post proof or retract."

I think it's just a word they have to use. Telling it like it is would only bring in the lawyers.

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Re: Blur disbanded

"Sorry, you can't wear that T-Shirt, it is not suitable for broadcast / we don't have the rights."

My theory is a little different. It's a protection racket. They deliberately get as many logos in as possible and then approach the companies and tell them if they don't pay an "advertising fee" then their logo will be blurred out for broadcast.

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Continuity

I don't mine the new UI design direction, I just wish they could keep it consistent, not half arse it and finish the job. The number of old Windows 3.11 / 95 style icons that still show up in 7, 8 and 10 make the product look unfinished.

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Re: Continuity

I don't mine it, either. No paydirt, all spoil and tailings.

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Aero

Or maybe... just maybe.... they should bring back Aero.

WIn 10 I would actually like if it had real Aero (and I wish programs would pay attention to the theme, and not just give me a metro look)

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"...and I wish programs would pay attention to the theme, and not just give me a metro look..."

Apps. Programs already do pay attention to the theme; it's the apps that won't get with the program.

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When I do need to use Windows I still use Windows 7, so Aero and the like is something I've not moved away from. It just goes to show that if you stay with a style long enough, it always comes back into fashion ;-)

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When I need to use Windows, I use Win2K. The only thing I use it for is Acad2K.

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WTF?

At least they're trying!

Come on, you sound like a bunch of old farts wanting nothing to change. MS might get lots wrong, but at least they try something new. Some of it will stick and become the norm. Other bits will be cast away.

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