Fedora 25: You've got that Wayland feelin', oh, that Wayland feelin'

I use Ubuntu 16.10 and have an AMD R280 GPU.

Shall I put the kettle on for us?

Steven R

"...(forget Nouveau it's crap)"

And who's fault is that?

Nvidia who will not work with FLOSS or the guys working to reverse engineer the Nvidia blob?

Re: So Proud

They've not got their act together. They still use systemd. Sadly, more and more is getting married to it. Now let's talk about Weyland and systemd...

Try MATE if you can't stand GNOME 3

There is always the MATE Compiz spin for those of us who find that GNOME 3 is unusable. I'll try GNOME 3 again later today to see if it has improved, but the last time that I did it was too dumbed down and lacked things like multiple desktops - that I just cannot do without.

Re: Who's the guy in the picture?

"How can anyone get so obese that the fat actually noticably sticks out from their face?? Whoever that guy is he'll probably drop dead of a heart attack in his 30s if he doesn't lose weight."

If you get run over by a bus tomorrow he'll have outlived you, even with his obesity.

Re: Who's the guy in the picture?

Who's the guy in the picture?

Could be Wayland himself? (weighs about as much as a landmass..)

Looking at the downvotes, there must be a number of people the "fat finger friendly" Gnome3 was written for reading here...

Disclosure: I write this as someone who comes from an obese family line and could stand to lose a fair bit of weight - in fact if I did stand more often I would lose some weight.. I am not quite yet 45 and I have already outlived my mother, all but one of her siblings (7), my grandmother, and several cousins.

Re: Who's the guy in the picture?

I wondered that too (without the, er, tackiness at the end of the initial post and indeed in various subsequent ones).

My initial guess was that maybe he was one of the recent generation of heavyweight white rap vocalists, knowing El Reg's fondness for musical subheadlines. But I couldn't see a connection and usually there's some kind of connection. So, having time on my handsright now, I followed up.

A few clicks and one drag to GoOgle image search led to this:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/bradesposito/jerry-messing

"Meet “The Fedora Guy,” One Of The Internet’s Most Famous Memes

BuzzFeed News spoke to Jerry Messing, the actor turned meme whose poor attempt at paying homage to The Blues Brothers made him one of the most widely recognised memes on the internet."

Never heard of him myself, and the same probably goes for quite a few other readers.

I kinda lost interest at that point but others may still be interested (buzzfeed? internet meme? actor??? => probably not for me).

Want a proper heavyweight vocalist (and guitar, bass, and drums), and a bit of a laugh: enjoy this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7gK3oeVUV4 Mammoth: Fat Man

Re: Who's the guy in the picture?

How can anyone's unpleasant attitude get so inflated that it sticks out and makes them look very ugly? Whoever *that* guy is will be very lonely in his 70s if he doesn't lose judgment

Re: Another major change no one is asking for

But people have been crying out for the end of X11 for a long time.

For a start there are inherent security issues with X11 that will never be fixed (like Windows its the design itself that can not be fixed - see atom tables, an unfixable Windows security flaw)

i.e

https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2015/11/looking-at-the-security-of-plasmawayland/

Re: Another major change no one is asking for

...and no one uses the remote graphics capabilities of X anymore (say its developers) so wayland doesn't need them.

I've been saying all along that Wayland should never be allowed into the wild until it's **DEFAULT** configuration supports remote graphics. Not the usual mealy-mouthed excuse of "well, it *could* support it if you wanted, as long as the end-user recompiles it with some obscure and undocumented switches, and then configures it to run". I'm OK with providing the option to disable it, but that should *NEVER* be the default.

If I wanted a kneecapped, bloated, only-works-locally solution which would require some sort of export-the-full-desktop remote option, I'd run MSWindows, because as it is, SystemD and Wayland are simply turning Linux into another borkified cesspool like MSWindows.

Re: Another major change no one is asking for

@Boltar: Wayland isn't systemd, and its devs aren't fucking Pottering. It isn't about shoving some monolithic horror on the community against our will. It isn't trying to take over. Wayland is an honest attempt to do things better, and most of the community is behind it.

Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIctzAQOe44 . It explains everything you'll need to know.

TL;DW on it: for all that there are things you like about X, it had become nearly impossible for the devs to maintain it, there weren't enough devs actually offering to maintain it, and a lot of people (myself included) wanted more modern features from our graphics subsystem which simply couldn't be done without tearing X down to the ground and rebuilding.

So they did. *shrug*

For the record: X is far closer to systemd than Weyland. X essentially became it's own OS. (The dumbest OS you've ever seen, as the video says.) Weyland does one thing, and - we hope - does it well.