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Forget aircraft – now cretins are laser-blinding ferry boat crewmen

Anonymous Coward
WTF?

15 days jail time ?

So partially blinding and permanently injuring two people which would be grevious bodily harm in the UK

the captain of a ferry and his first mate suffered permanent retinal burns after local resident Mark Raden thought it would be a hoot to laser them

With priors

Raden, who the local Coast Guard said has a history of lasering incidents

I cannot find the words to express my absolute contempt, for the pitiful compensation to the injured, the charge of reckless endangerment instead of assault and the jail term.

a_yank_lurker
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Re: 15 days jail time ?

Sooner or later one of these laserings will lead to a fatal accident. I doubt most of these imbeciles have enough assets to be worth suing. It seems the penalty currently is too light given the horrible risk of fatalities.

Mark 85
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Re: 15 days jail time ?

I'll bet his lawyer plea-bargained the hell out of this... or.. he gave the LEA some info on something else someone did. Just seems too light a sentence when you consider if he flashed an aircraft.

Phil O'Sophical
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Re: 15 days jail time ?

It seems the penalty currently is too light given the horrible risk of fatalities.

It clearly isn't a deterrent. Why not treat this in the same way that they would treat someone who fired a gun at the ferry captain?

TonyJ
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Re: 15 days jail time ?

Assault? Attempted murder, surely? What if he'd caused it to hit another vessel or object and it'd sunk with lives lost?

What the fuck is wrong with these bottom-feeding, scum-sucking, algae-eaters that they feel the need to do this??

boltar
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Re: 15 days jail time ?

"What the fuck is wrong with these bottom-feeding, scum-sucking, algae-eaters that they feel the need to do this??"

God knows. Mentally deficient in some way presumably. Perhaps ask whichever single moron it was that modded down the OP - he's probably one of them.

Anonymous Coward
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Re: 15 days jail time ?

Heavy metal poisoning. I'm not joking they have found in the US prison system most criminal have some sort of heavy metal poisoning. Which leads to poor decision making and violence The water system in the US is fucked. Think flint but worse. You have cities in the US that has had its drinking water contaminated for over a decade

HieronymusBloggs
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Re: 15 days jail time ?

"most criminal have some sort of heavy metal poisoning"

The Romans did pretty well despite drinking water from lead pipes and containers. I suspect there are still houses in the UK with lead water pipes, which were common until fairly recently, yet relatively few people indulge in this moronic activity. (Note that I'm not playing down the seriousness of contaminated water supplies; I'm just sceptical about it being a significant factor here).

Richard Simpson

Re: 15 days jail time ?

Well, firstly, what percentage of Romans were drinking from lead containers? I am guessing a relatively small percentage of wealthier people with the rest getting their water from well/stream/puddle with wooden containers (which will of course be much less well represented in museum collections as they will have rotted away).

Secondly, being a bit of a psycho may have been an advantage in Roman society which was generally much more violent than ours.

Most lead piping was removed from UK homes decades ago and no new houses have been constructed with lead piping since perhaps the 1960s. I am in my 50s and I have never lived in a property with lead pipes. Most laser wielding loons are in their 20s and therefore are even less likely to have done so.

Of course some people claim (with some justification) that leaded petrol causes violence enhancing brain changes, but most 20 year olds were born after it was phased out.

Vic

Re: 15 days jail time ?

The Romans did pretty well despite drinking water from lead pipes and containers. I suspect there are still houses in the UK with lead water pipes, which were common until fairly recently, yet relatively few people indulge in this moronic activity.

There was a tale doing the rounds that much inner-city moronic behaviour was down to airborne lead from car exhausts. The switch to unleaded fuel has, apparently, made things better - but many people were exposed for many years, so there is a long tail of affected people.

I've no idea whether or not his might be true.

Vic.

DougS
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It isn't just a tale

It is about as close to proven as sociology can get:

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposure-gasoline-crime-increase-children-health

It has been studied heavily in the US looking at the declines in the use of leaded gasoline in various states and even in the city level in some states, as well as internationally in many countries all over the world. Even at a neighborhood level in New Orleans. The decline in violent crime matches the decline in lead exposure every single time, every single place, no matter where they look.

There are links in that article to some of the academic papers.

Anonymous Coward
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Re: 15 days jail time ?

"most criminal have some sort of heavy metal poisoning"

It's in the vaccines I tell ya!

In the glorious future, Hail Clinton, the proles won't be permitted tools of resistance like lasers, guns or drones, hence these 'incidents' must occur in order that we may be freed from the burden of our freedom.

mics39

Re: 15 days jail time ?

What, freedom to indiscriminately blind, kill, bomb and ram passenger jet? No wonder you sick fucks keep voting cretins like Bush and Trump. Selfish Americans ...

DougS
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Hail Clinton?

You do realize your guy won, right?

Maybe one of the things he'll do to "make America great" is pass a law banning state and local government from keeping kids out of school unless they've had their vaccinations. Trump loves conspiracy theories, and many of his voters tend to be anti-science, so he's probably down with the whole "autism is caused by vaccines" bullshit.

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Queasy Rider

Re: effect of lead

A few points to note: It was the crazy Roman leaders that were most DIRECTLY exposed to pure lead, not just their drinking cups, but their dishes, pots and pans, and eating utensils. Thus, not just a higher exposure, but an exponentially higher exposure. You point out that only a relatively few rich were most affected, but since Rome was basically ruled by about a hundred families, that meant every last one of their leaders were potentially bat shit crazy or mentally deficient.

And I'm surprised nobody here noted the existence of lead in modern business practices. Activist scientists were rather distressed not just by leaded gasoline, but by industry's use of anti-fouling paints, solder, leaded paint in the toy manufacturing business, crib makers, playpen makers etc. Everybody knows that there is nothing babies won't put in their yaps and chew on, especially when they are teething, gnawing like rodents. Just glance at the rails of their cribs if you need proof. Sure the use of lead in paints has been restricted and banned, but the damage has been done and it will take scores of years to flush those victims entirely out of the population and the lead out of the environment, like asbestos. And these people are from every economic class. Maybe this explains the tech industry leaders' anti-social bent, too much time spent as youths with soldering irons.

kain preacher
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Re: 15 days jail time ?

Are not talking just about lead. Copper, cesium. Cadmium and water that looks like oil.

kain preacher
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Re: 15 days jail time ?

The US still has lead based water pipes. Lots of them. Will still have houses with lead paint.

Dr Scrum Master
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aircrafts?

Fire the subs!

Ralph the Wonder Llama
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Re: Fire the subs

They have already - hopefully - been sacked for previous indiscretions too many to mention. Those responsible for sacking the previous subs have been sacked. They have been replaced at great expense and at the last minute by 47,000 Mexican Whooping Llamas.

Or something.

Stevie
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Bah!

Aaand so it will go on until laws are proposed to limit access to the laser tools, at which point an outbreak of crying, wailing and gnashing of teeth will occur.

Crying crocodile tears, mendacious wailing and ... no, it's no good. I don't have a tooth-themed metaphor for insincere behavior by idiots.

As usual, a few brainless organ-bank candidates piss in the pool and ruin it for everyone.

DNTP
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Re: Bah!

We don't want responsible people to not be allowed to own cool things, which is why we think idiots who deliberately do stuff like this to pilots should be charged with assault, battery, reckless endangerment, attempted murder, whatever else, and given thirty-to-life so they have plenty of time to realize that for once in their god damn worthless lives, their actions have consequences.

werdsmith
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Re: Bah!

I think it is time to treat them the same as a firearm as far as use is concerned. Shining a laser in public should be treated the same way as discharging a firearm. So legitimate safe use for experimenters, lighting effects, engravers and even sad Powerpoint bore-monkeys etc can remain untroubled whilst fuckwits get locked up.

Ledswinger
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Re: Bah!

and given thirty-to-life so they have plenty of time to realize that for once in their god damn worthless lives, their actions have consequences

Whilst that might seem well deserved, the US already has something around 0.9% of adults in prison, and a further 2% on probation or parole. Whilst locking up laser wielding fuckwits might be just, there's millions of fuckwits, so where are you going to put them? And can we afford the additional cost of locking them up (around $50k a year each)? And for this calibre of individual, there's already the prospect of fines and jail, so why will the rationalise a longer sentence as a greater deterrent? With 8,000 offences reported each year to the FAA, putting those people away for only six months each would cost $200m. This is for known laser illuminations, I assume the attempted number is several times greater....

Whilst it will be shouted down mercilessly, I seriously suggest that corporal punishment would be an excellent punishment for this type of offence. That would have lower cost than jail, done publicly would probably be a greater deterrent to others, and I suspect that the perps would actually be able to better associate the pain and humiliation of having their arse flogged in public with the idea of "don't do it again", compared to the alternative of a visit to the big house, or fines they can't and won't pay.

M E H
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Re: Bah!

Is there actually a legitimate use for a handheld laser that powerful?

Apart from amusing cats/presentations I don't know why anyone would want a laser pointer and they don't need to be any more powerful than a simple torch.

Doctor Syntax
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Re: Bah!

"I think it is time to treat them the same as a firearm as far as use is concerned."

In the US?

Bill Michaelson

Re: Bah!

A minimum age for possession, or appropriate adult supervision is probably a reasonable legal constraint. Beyond that, yes, misuse must incur appropriate penalties.

Rich 11
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Re: Bah!

Whilst it will be shouted down mercilessly, I seriously suggest that corporal punishment would be an excellent punishment for this type of offence.

There are reasons why corporal punishment has been abandoned in much of the world, and why we decry flogging in Saudi Arabia and other countries. Let's not take a backwards step just to satisfy one person's need to observe another person's suffering. Yours is a gut response to a wider complex problem, as your words suggest you already know.

Not all punishments are going to work as a deterrent with everyone. Removing people from society for years or decades isn't always appropriate either -- it's always expensive and often unjust (look at what the 'three strikes and you're out' policy has done in the US). The justice system in many countries needs reform, and a concentrated effort made on rehabilitation as being the most reliable and cost-effective way of protecting society. That's where all the evidence points.

Anonymous Coward
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Re: Bah!

Is entertainment not a legitimate use? By anyone's definition, subject to safety constraints.

Stevie
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Re: Legitimate use 4 M E H

I believe that the instrument in question might have been intended to be fastened to a firearm as a sighting device.

kain preacher
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Re: Bah!

You don't need any new laws. This should be battery on person ,assault, assault with deadly weapon. All can get yo years in the clink.

Anonymous Coward
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Re: Bah!

California now treats it as brandishing a weapon and in cases like this assault. There are appropriate laws on the book already. Just use them

HieronymusBloggs
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Re: Bah!

"There are reasons why corporal punishment has been abandoned in much of the world, and why we decry flogging in Saudi Arabia and other countries"

There's a difference between flogging someone for having a beer and doing it to someone who tried to blind the pilot of an aircraft or ferry.

Robert Helpmann??
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Big Brother

Re: Bah!

Whilst locking up laser wielding fuckwits might be just, there's millions of fuckwits, so where are you going to put them?

I suggest any number of small islands in various oceans might prove useful for this purpose. Just air drop food in from time to time. There's no real need for guards, so it would end up being relatively cheap. We might even set up cameras all over the place and create a reality show from the footage and turn a profit. Yes, this could work.

allthecoolshortnamesweretaken
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Re: Bah!

"I suggest any number of small islands in various oceans might prove useful for this purpose."

So, technically, Britain?

John Brown (no body)
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Joke

Re: Bah!

"and given thirty-to-life "

The US already has the worlds highest per capita prison population. Maybe Trump needs to build a wall around a significantly large chunk of the US and partition the country. Maybe an IQ test could be used to decide who gets to live on the outside.

Vic

Re: Bah!

their actions have consequences.

But their actions don't have consequences - not for them, anyway.

This pillock has a history of targeting people with lasers - e.g. shining them into faces at close range. It's deliberate. Just search for "Mark Raden laser" to get a taste of what this animal is like. And yet he has had little or no punishment for any of these attacks; even this latest one has only cost him a fortnight in clink and a couple of grand.

I don't normally approve if the double-jeopardy civil suits than invariably accompany criminal trials in the US, bat at least this time, his victims were awarded $100K against him. It remains to be seen if he will ever pay.

Vic.

John Brown (no body)
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Re: Bah!

"assault with deadly weapon."

Most of the worlds military would be very happy to find that a "deadly" hand held, cheap and easily portable laser weapon was available that just needs a couple of Duracells to "re-load".

John Brown (no body)
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Facepalm

Re: Bah!

"There's a difference between flogging someone for having a beer and doing it to someone who tried to blind the pilot of an aircraft or ferry."

Spot on mate! Lets just cut the bastards hands off and see them try to do it again. Fuck yeah!

kain preacher
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Re: Bah!

I wounder if they can try him federal court since this involves ships.

Anonymous Coward
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Re: Bah!

The Falkland islands are relatively uninhabited, a long way from anywhere and it would have the additional benefit of really pissing off the Argentinians. If the Falkland islanders can't be bribed to put up with it, try South Georgia.

werdsmith
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Re: Bah!

"I think it is time to treat them the same as a firearm as far as use is concerned."

In the US?

Yes in the US. I'm pretty sure that the law in the US doesn't allow shooting at airliners or shooting people in the eyes for no good reason.

Oh Homer
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Flame

Motive?

I don't get it. Are these idiots mentally deranged or just evil?

Anonymous Coward
Anonymous Coward

Re: Motive?

Or just Septics?

HieronymusBloggs
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Re: Motive?

"Or just Septics?"

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that wasn't rhyming slang.

ma1010
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Re: Motive?

I don't begin to understand it, either. But there are lots of twisted people of this type. I think it's the same sort of mentality that writes viruses that just screw up computers and spreads them around to infect computers of people they don't even know. I've always wondered what the point of that was.

Perhaps more or less the same sort of motivation here? Just 5 year old mentalities playing with grown-up stuff, I guess.

Anonymous Coward
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treatment

The morons with the lasers need the Goldfinger treatment.

No Mr. Moron, I don't expect you to talk. I also don't expect you to die... We'll stop the laser after it removes some parts of your body that you will not like losing.

Anonymous Coward
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Re: removes some parts of your body

Ensuring they won't reproduce? OK with me.

TRT
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Cretins...

round our way have taken to lasering bus drivers and lorry drivers down the high street.

Anonymous Coward
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Re: Cretins...

On behalf of Cretins everywhere, I deplore your use of our name; no cretin would ever be stupid enough to.... you know the rest.

These "people" are so low on the evolutionary scale, they are best described as "Pond Scum".

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