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How Rogue One's Imperial stormtroopers SAVED Star Wars and restored order

Holmes

on that (lack of) accuracy claim:

"Only Imperial Stormtroopers are that precise" - Obi-Wan Kenobi

Merry Xmas :)

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Anonymous Coward

Re: on that (lack of) accuracy claim:

...'are *so* precise.'

People in pedantic houses shouldn't throw stones something something.

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Re: on that (lack of) accuracy claim:

Accurate =/= Precise

Obi-wan noted the marks on the Sandcrawler were precisely 2" away and to the left of where they were aimed for. How's that for pedantic AC?

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Re: on that (lack of) accuracy claim:

Accurate =/= Precise

Accurate ≠ Precise

(as long as we are discussing accuracy and precision)

Which has the best bad character - is it calculating Commander Orson Krennic or bratty Kylo Ren?

Admiral Thrawn.

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Re: on that (lack of) accuracy claim:

"Only Imperial Stormtroopers are that precise"

Obi-Wan Kenobi was a snarky bastard. ☺

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Anonymous Coward

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It turns out the imperials where just having fun hunting desert rats and hit the crawler and the farmstead entirely by mistake.

"PHEW PHEW"

"Oops. I think I just hit a farmstead by mistake".

"You idiot! Wasn't that the Owens' farm? You already did that Jawa rustbucket. We go on like this, locals will become unhappy! Did I tell you about that Black Hawk story?"

"I said I'm sorry, ok? Anyway, better not talk about that at base..."

Damn shame.

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Re: on that (lack of) accuracy claim:

Don't you mean Grand Admiral Thrawn?

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"It turns out the imperials where just having fun hunting desert rats ..."

Shouldn't that be Womp rat?

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Re: on that (lack of) accuracy claim:

The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry's_law Muphry] is strong in this thread.

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Or even: The Muphry is strong in this thread.

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Hopefully you are not referring to the Thrawn showing up in Star Wars Rebels, who is basically Mr. Salacia in Metalocalypse, who just basically lets his adversaries do whatever they want ("We wait...") making us wait for a grand evil plan that takes forever to materialize in any significant fashion.

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Sorry, Ralph, the first attempt (with the URL) was much more appropriate!

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Hmm, this is making me wonder if we watched the same film ;) ;)

I found more than any other this film showed that the stormtroopers were just people, like any war, normal people on the other side, earning a living and paying the price. I think the director went to great lengths to demonstrate their normality and dare I even say humanity, even with the anonymity of their armour.

I found myself feeling sorry for them at several points, hell they even showed clearly that even the Rebels did plenty they weren't proud of.

For me this did more than any other to blur the lines of right and wrong and to show that even good people can be in the wrong and that not everyone on the "bad" side is necessarily evil.

Either way we clearly both loved it, pints all round.

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stormtroopers being fodder

The problem with star wars is that we only really see storm troopers fighting mercenaries, gangsters and rebels so they're at least evenly-matched and end up looking not very scary

One thing force awakens got really right was showing them in their true habitat: circling innocent families of men, women and children and showering death on them.

THAT'S the stormtrooper in his day-to-day, being the fascist bully with nothing to stop them

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Still doesn't explain how your galaxy-conquering army with space age armor and blasters can get beaten by stone-age teddy bears :)

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Re: stormtroopers being fodder

I saw a couple of Stormtroopers close up at a Rogue One screening last week and that 'space age armour' looks a lot like plastic.

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>> Still doesn't explain how your galaxy-conquering army with space age armor and blasters can get beaten by stone-age teddy bears :)

You mean like how modern nuclear super power nations have trouble with improvised device wielding locals in middle eastern countries?

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(being beaten by stone-age teddy bears )

Simple. Stormtroopers can't handle ANYTHING fighting back - especially when it wants to eat you.

What did you think they were barbequing at the end of Revenge? Banthas?

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"Still doesn't explain how your galaxy-conquering army with space age armor and blasters can get beaten by stone-age teddy bears"

Because teddy bears are so CUUUUTE!

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Re: stormtroopers being fodder

"...your galaxy-conquering army with space age armor..."

And that armor doesn't seem to protect them very much. But it does make the stormtroopers anonymous. And clumsy. And I bet that's what's throwing their aim off too...

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Can't see a thing in that helmet.

Not even your own feet!

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Re: stormtroopers being fodder

The explanation is easy: mixing source books.

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Re: stormtroopers being fodder

If we chose to fight rather than 'nation build' we would have no trouble at all.

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> chose to fight

Against what exactly?

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Holmes

That's why they built the Death Star...

... tired of all the 'you couldn't hit a barn door' comments.

Thus the 'Oh yeah? Well we'll just take out your entire fucking planet, mate' response from the Empire...

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Almost a shame the couldn't have made Jar Jar any cuter.

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"Because teddy bears are so CUUUUTE!"

About those "teddy bears". To quote Kkatman:

"A mechanically intuitive species and fascinated with technology. How many 'primitives' do you know that can engineer a war glider? That can carry boulders? Or figure out a speeder bike in five seconds flat?... Or did you think we worshipped the mechanical man with the glowing eyes because he was shiny?"

In Kkatman's fan fic, Endor was destroyed by the exploding Death Star, and covered up by rebel propaganda.

The only surviving Ewoks were the ones in the Imperial shield generator bunker, and abandoned by their rebel "friends".

They survived the Hell their world became because:

A.They were tech savvy and used the Death star Wreckage, and

B. Their shaman used his new training to protect them.

New training? "The biggest, most badass Sith was betrayed and murdered within sight of my home.

Ask yourself: Do you think only the good ones can pull off that glowey-ghost mentor trick?"

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"amazing CGI revival of Peter Cushing’s hatchet faced and ruthless Governor Moff Tarkin."

I'm convinced everyone else must have seen a different film to me. The CGI Cushing was painful to look at! I thought the days of stupidly bad CGI was past us in big movies... but then they brought this out.

I'm fairly sure this is one of those films that in a few years time people will look back and admit how bad it was.

Loved The Force Awakens... about the only positive I have for Rogue one is there won't be a sequel to it next year.

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i thought the peter cushing cgi was pretty good, i could at least ignore it and suspend my disbelief for the film easily

the leia one was awful though

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I've heard a bunch of people complaining about the CGI characters (well, the human ones, nobody has had a bad word to say about K2SO yet), but I've heard an equally large number of people who never even noticed that Tarkin was CG.

A question; did it bother you as much that some of the other characters were just people in rubber masks?

If I stared closely I could tell he wasn't real, but I was too busy watching the film to want to do that.

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I thought that the CGI Cushing and Carrie Fisher were technically excellent and would have proven convincing if it weren't for one thing. The lighting was off, It didn't correctly match the lighting of the surrounding objects and people and in the case of Cushing was over saturated and too severe (too much contrast) giving a very "uncanny valley" feeling.

If they'd gotten the lighting correct, though they would have been perfect. Actually if I'm entirely honest a few of CGI Cushing's facial mannerisms seemed to glitch - it was tiny but it was there - the movements of his features just a little too jerky like he had some kinda repetitive tick, but tbh I could overlook that, but not the rendered lighting, that was atrocious.

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I didn't think the CGI Tarkin, Leia and rebel squadron commanders from Episode IV were either good or bad from a technical standpoint, but I did find it kind of jarring when they appeared. I actually would mark down Rogue One a bit for that.

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The rebel squadron commanders weren't CGI. That was unused footage from the original film.

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Oh - I thought that one was better..

(probably due to her round young face, rather than his craggy old one)

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I thought the Tarkin effect was great.

What put me off was the total lack of a third dimension or any back story to 99% of the new characters introduced.

They just appear, do some stuff and...

Its the characters that let the film down big time. Other than that new droid they don't have any character.

A fine film spoilt by the human element or lack of.

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"... facial mannerisms seemed to glitch - it was tiny but it was there ..."

So would you with Darth Vader peering over your shoulder all the time...

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let's see you do it better

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Leia, CGI? I think not..

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm6488665/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t24

Tho' my son did point out that the lip syncing was less than good. PP

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Re: Leia, CGI? I think not..

I think so. It's not Ingvild Deila that we see, it's mo-cap with a digital skin overlayed for the face and costume.

http://www.polygon.com/2016/12/27/14092060/rogue-one-star-wars-grand-moff-tarkin-princess-leia

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Not seen R1 yet but...

A few things bugged me about The Force Awakens... the bratty bad dude wasn't convincing, the whole Han Solo dad & subsequent death by son seemed a bit obvious and contrived; the odd tentacly space monster things and chase took me back to that whole childish Jar Jar binks debacle, and finally the sun sucking spaceship / death planet thing seemed a bit too fantastical to sit in the Star Wars universe. I'm pretty sure that was because no-one felt they could say no to JJA.

Looking forward to seeing R1 though as even though it seems I'm in the minority, I really liked the Godzilla reboot.

Apologies for potential incorrect use of the semi-colon. Still don't know how they work.

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Re: A few things bugged me about The Force Awakens...

How about it being a blow-by-blow recapitulation of Sar Wars (retconned in the titles to A New Hope)?

Someone should have been made to pay back their scriptwriter fee.

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Re: Not seen R1 yet but...

R1 way, way better than the last New Hope clone.

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Re: Not seen R1 yet but...

What bugged me about Force Awakens was the fact it was basically A New Hope remade. Which isn't a failure but still nothing new. It was just the same thing being rehashed again.

Rogue one at least stood out as its own film and filled the gap between the 3 we don't talk about and the original 3. It showed the Rebels acting as Rebels should by doing what needed to be done. I thought it was the best star was since Empire.

Its not my film of the year but its in the top 5.

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Re: Not seen R1 yet but...

I hope that I'm not the only one here upset by TFA and R1, but the decision by Disney to pursue new movies whilst completely ignoring and effectively destroying the Expanded Star Wars universe of the many comics, novels, and cartoons has left me no choice but to consider these new films dead to me. I certainly won't pay to watch them in the theater and absolutely won't buy them on DVD. Not sure that I can even be bothered to pirate them either.

Of course, I'm also one of the few that consider ROTJ my favorite film, at least until Lucas ruined the end by replacing David Prowse with Hayden Christensen in the Vader/Yoda/Kenobi spirit sequence.

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Why do you consider the comics and novels good spin off's and not the films? Why is the "expanded" universe by one bunch of people OK, but not the films.

Seems a little odd to me.

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Re: Not seen R1 yet but...

The Force Awakens was fine, but it really was a New Hope with what my son would call "Power Creep". Luke, born as one of the most powerful wielders of the force, still had to train to gain cool Jedi powers. Rey just calls up whatever power she needs instinctively.

Rogue One has flaws especially around the gratuitous CGI, but I would rather have that with a reasonable story rather than the other way around.

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Re: Not seen R1 yet but...

"the 3 we don't talk about and the original 3"

I may be a heretic, but the original star wars was conceived as a homage to 1930s space operas, with their 2 dimensional villans, heroes, sidekicks and strictly black/white morality tales.

Remember: when they first read the Ep4 script the cast asked if they were meant to camp it up. It was seen as cliched even then. The surprise was Lucas telling them to play it straight.

1,2 and 3 all follow that same ethos. The cardboard cutout villains of the first scenes of Ep1 are virtually exact clones of the villains of 1930s horse, spy and space operas - as was Jar Jar Binks and the other quite painful characterisations (Who didn't spot the Idi Amin references?). Once you understand that, the movies are fairly enjoyable, but don't expect the Star Wars universe to be nuanced or subtle. They were never intended to be, much like the movies they pay homage to.

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Re: Not seen R1 yet but...

Meh, most of the Expanded Universe was crap, with the notable exception of the Heir to the Empire trilogy and Grand Admiral Thrawn. I'm glad it's gone.

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" Meh, most of the Expanded Universe was crap, with the notable exception of the Heir to the Empire trilogy and Grand Admiral Thrawn. I'm glad it's gone. "

If the best thing in the "expanded universe" was the work of a cheap pulp writer like Timothy Zahn, I too am glad it's gone.

Of course, "the" EU was not internally consistent either, as Dark Horse wrote their stories independent of Zahn to start off with.

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Engage pedant mode...

In the spirit sequence at the end of ROTJ, the original actor in that scene for Anakin was actually Sebastian Shaw, and not David Prowse.

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