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Not possible to ban smoking in the office?

"a bit like a smoker in a modern office: not illegal, not possible to ban, but fair game for shaming and exclusion"

What kind of backwards country do you live in? Over here an employer can't discriminate against a smoker, but it's perfectly legal to ban him from smoking during working hours (only on breaks) and it's actually mandatory by law to have "smokers zones" away from the normal breakrooms for the smokers to use their drug of choice. And if there is one a smoker can be banned from smoking anywhere else. My choice would be to locate it as far away is possible and enforce the working/break times. Want to smoke, sure, but you'll be spending 5 minutes getting to the smokers booth and 5 minutes to get back, leaving you with barely time to smoke an aerosolised death stick.

Hmmm, that is kind of what MS is doing to flash users now...

Forget I said anything.

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Re: Not possible to ban smoking in the office?

What I find really reprehensible is the practice of people smoking around the main entrance to a business.

It doesn't provide a very good first impression for visitors, when the first thing they experience is a dozen people milling around outside the entrance and they have to walk through a thick cloud of smoke. Then you have all the discarded cigarette butts on the ground outside the entrance.

Where I work, the smokers have a dedicated area outside the back of the building, where they cannot be seen by visitors.

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Re: Not possible to ban smoking in the office?

I don't know what it is about smokers but most seem to think that littering isn't a problem and just throw their butts either wherever they happen to be at the time or into a nearby small area (often causing fires). Even if there's a bin within 10 paces.

When it was more prevalent it used to annoy the crap out of me that I'd be working hard all day, taking what passed for a lunch break and other breaks yet many smokers would think nothing of standing outside 20m out of every hour. In the end I took to joining them - probably passive smoking myself to death a little bit...

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Re: Not possible to ban smoking in the office?

I gave up smoking cigarettes as it's a totally unnecessary and smelly habit that will eventually get you one way or another. I applaud the bans in shared enclosed spaces and the de-normalisation as it made it (relatively) easier to give up.

Non smokers, don't be too hard on smokers as they have been very magnanimous over the years in making sure you get a better pension and have paid lower taxes. Also don't forget they have been the victim of Big tobaccos sustained efforts to get you to smoke.

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Re: Not possible to ban smoking in the office?

As a smoker in Canada, my smoking section is probably a 150 feet from the building door, out in the parking lot, and tomorrow the wind chill is expected to be -35 C or colder or -31 F or colder.

It's an indefensibly bad habit, addiction, so that's what I do. Tomorrow will take a little longer as the putting of snow pants on over work clothes and then the removal of same will be involved.

I don't mind having to smoke outside away from the office door as no one, not even ME ;) , should be inflicting that dangerous substance on others.

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Re: Not possible to ban smoking in the office?

"What I find really reprehensible is the practice of people smoking around the main entrance to a business."

You should see the entrances to some British hospitals.

The sick and the recovering standing outside foyer in their hospital pyjamas and gowns, ciggie in one hand, the other holding onto their IV drip stand....

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Re: Not possible to ban smoking in the office?

>The sick and the recovering standing outside foyer in their hospital pyjamas and gowns, ciggie in one hand, the other holding onto their IV drip stand.

Do more confused patients try and smoke the IV drip and mainline the ciggie ?

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Re: Not possible to ban smoking in the office?

I've never understood why employees with a nicotine addiction get to use company time to indulge. Although another Commentard has said that we non-smokers benefit, because smokers take themselves out of the Pension pot, etc., I am not sure whether is is worth it when we non-smoker cover a good 1.5 2 hours every day for our colleagues out puffing in the alley. If nicotine addicts, why not other addicts? Let ole Lenny spend two hours in the pub every day or out in the alley taking a nip, or young Dave shooting up, or coming down from his high? I am all for helping people get to healthy lifestyles; I am not sure why we and our customers are paying for smokers to smoke.

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Re: Not possible to ban smoking in the office?

You should see the entrances to some British hospitals.

The sick and the recovering standing outside foyer in their hospital pyjamas and gowns, ciggie in one hand, the other holding onto their IV drip stand.

The local hospital used to be like that, now they've banned smoking anywhere on the hospital grounds, which are huge. The die-hard smokers now have to go to the adjacent bus station. Unsurprisingly, there are less of them than there used to be.

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Re: Not possible to ban smoking in the office?

Go to East Surrey Hospital. Right outside the entrance to the A&E department there is a big sign that says that the whole site is a non smoking site.

There are ususally 1 or 2 people having a drag right by the sign oblibious to what it says.

I wrote to the Chief Exec but they declined to reply. Perhaps they are a smoker?

Posting AC as my mother is a (in)patient in the Hospital at the moment and wants to get out alive.

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Re: Not possible to ban smoking in the office?

We used to have smokers sitting near the doors even though it's illegal to smoke within something like 50 feet and there was a nice smokers area established with benches, etc.

However, people got fed up with that. So the building I'm in decided to ban smoking everywhere on the property - it's a sizeable property. This includes the multiple parking garages. They even went so far as to say you aren't allowed to sit in your car and smoke. Failure for employers in the buildings to make sure their employees follow this will result in breach of the lease agreement and subsequent eviction...

Yes, it can effectively be banned.

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Re: Not possible to ban smoking in the office?

I've never understood why employees with a nicotine addiction get to use company time to indulge.

Because we're more productive that way. Gee. Is this the Daily Mail?

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Re: Not possible to ban smoking in the office?

Here, if you smoke, you have to clock out when you go outside for a cigarette and clock back in, when you are done. There is an extra electronic terminal for clocking in and out next to the door to the smoking area.

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Re: Not possible to ban smoking in the office?

@Albaleo, No, you are definitely not. If you didn't smoke at all you'd be as effective as you are just after your siggy all day long, without needing to take that smoke break. The unfocused, tired, nervous feeling you get when you need your fix is the withdrawal from your drug of choice. If you weren't smoking you wouldn't get that.

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Re: Not possible to ban smoking in the office?

If you didn't smoke at all you'd be as effective as you are just after your siggy all day long

But then I'd be a non-smoker with all the attendant risks.

I accept there are benefits. For example, better physical health and knowing what's good for other people.

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Re: Not possible to ban smoking in the office?

"most seem to think that littering isn't a problem and just throw their butts either wherever they happen to be at the time or into a nearby small area"

I think it's not "most", more like a small number of highly irritating and highly visible asshats. They justify polluting other people's air, and sometimes INSIST on their "rights" to do so at others' inconvenience, so why not throw trash wherever they 'feel' as well? It goes with that kind of thinking, after all, that it's ok to grossly inconvenience others, based on their personal feelings.

yeah, the 'F' word 'Feel' again, at the root of it all...

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Re: Not possible to ban smoking in the office?

"no one, not even ME ;) , should be inflicting that dangerous substance on others"

you have the right attitude. thank you.

Would your company allow you to VAPE indoors? That seems to be a good solution in my view, as vaping doesn't cause the kinds of problems that smoke does for people around the person vaping; in fact, early studies showed it has NO effect! so there ya go, I'd be in favor of it.

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Just what will all those advertisers do...

....That have been using Flash cookies all this time, not cleared by usual Browser purging.... I wonder....(Jan 2017 deadline)

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Re: Just what will all those advertisers do...

Poor VMWare. They spent one hell of a lot of cash on trying to perfect FlashPlayer before someone told them that they were trying to do the software equivalent of spraying perfume over untreated sewage.

Now, if only someone would tell Comcast and Brightcove that their entire media admin UIs are about to blow up ...

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Re: Just what will all those advertisers do...

But from what I understand their HTML5 client sucks just as hard as the old Flash one did.

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Would you like to run malware.exe ?

Whats the user going to do when they see the pop-up instead of their favourite web site ?

Answers on a post card please ..

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Good riddance

I banned Flash on my machines in January 2015. Since then, the first thing I do with all new installs is remove / disable Flash.

I haven't missed it so far.

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BBC take note

Why is it that the BBC, which has perfectly good support for HTML5 for its videos "for mobile" still insists on using Flash on desktop browsers, forcing those who wish to use the HTML5 version to fiddle with user-agent strings to avoid the Flash version?

I wonder if they'll be on the white list for flash? If not, and if there are others like them, then perhaps a similar "default list" of alternative user-agent strings, per web site, should be added to browsers alongside the flash ban in order to keep everyone happy without flash but with minimal disruption.

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Don't know what you are watching on iplayer but I can use the html5 player on 99% of videos. The only exceptions are the occasional live stream/video on BBC Sport these days.

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@Dave Harvey - iPlayer hasn't needed Flash for over a year. The desktop news site hasn't seem to have needed it either for several months. I don't have flash installed and I seem to have been able to watch anything I've clicked on for a while now.

What are you trying to watch on the BBC site that needs Flash? Is it older videos?

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Re: BBC take note

I think iPlayer uses Flash by default, and you need to opt in to get HTML5 content. I can't check the URL from work because of the Fun Police, but I think it's something like www.bbc.co.uk/html5

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Re: BBC take note

The BBCs HTML5 support is still in beta, so it's opt-in currently.

Although if you don't have Flash installed/enabled in your browser, it will automatically switch to HTML5 anyway, without the need to opt-in.

As above, just go here to opt-in : http://www.bbc.co.uk/html5

There are also lots of technical details and other info on that page.

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Re: BBC take note

about 50% of the news items with videos on the BBC (www.bbc.co.uk/news) needs flash.

A PITA whare the A means Areseoles. Should have saved all that momey moving to Salford and fixed their website.

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Re: BBC take note

I'm opted in and running on an ARM-powered laptop and I *still* get messages telling me I need to go and find Flash, for *most* AV content on bbc.co.uk. Your mileage may vary, but mine's crap.

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“Sites that support HTML5 will default to a clean HTML5 experience"

Which conveniently for advertisers can't be blocked and prevented from autoplaying.

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Whenever a site autoplays I exit - auto play is THE most annoying thing on websites these days.

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Yep, when I meet some autoplaying advert yelling at me, it's getting IP-blocked. Nothing more annoying on the web.

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Closely followed up a pop-up modal dialogue begging you to subscribe to their 'newsletter'.

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If your using Firefox, just go to about:config, then find media.autoplay.enabled, and double click to disable.

If your a Chrome user, try this extension: Disable HTML5 Autoplay

It's Open Source for those interested in the code on github.

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Too bad it doesn't work and never has

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Whilst we're at it, there is a Chrome setting that lets you mute the audio on individual tabs. Go to chrome://flags in a new tab. Search for the 'Enable tab audio muting UI control' flag.

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I don't have autoplaying videos on Firefox Mobile, there's a setting which exposes the config name-value pair.

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Or installing their crap app if on iOS. Why Apple provides them with that hook eludes me. Just checked, at least Android doesn't do that.

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It looks like you're trying to run Flash: would you rather fire it into the heart of a star?

Is this a rhetorical question?

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"It looks like you're trying to run Flash: would you rather fire it into the heart of a star?"

No thanks, I wouldn't want to take the risk that the star would then collapse into itself, become a stellar black hole, and wipe out any potential for life forms to evolve in the local stellar environment.

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Re: "It looks like you're trying to run Flash: would you rather fire it into the heart of a star?"

Yeah, I was worried to it could trigger a core dump or something alike, or allow some evil alien take control of the Sun with a ransomware. The mass of hidden bugs let free by fusion would risk to collapse anything, anyway.

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There will be exemptions for “the most popular sites which rely on Flash today”, so as not to displease users, but Microsoft isn't saying which users.

My money is on porn.

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Pr0n peddlers have the money to develop their sites to reach punters however, wherever.

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So have the BBC, but it hasn't helped.

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so much hatred for continuing smokers

Lets be frank and admit that the hate smokers campaign was a lie, yes smoking is bad for you but where are all the benefit we were promised would come from the majority giving up?

Tax has gone up on everything to maintain the goverment income that used to come from tobacco and the services the tax paid for have degraded rather than improved.

Are people actually more health now then before? is the air we all have to breath actually cleaner and less toxic.

When you look as obesity for example, only one of the things that have increased as smoking has decreased, is this actually cheaper for the NHS to deal with? certainly we have already started the lastest campaign of fatty hate, one wonders why you haters are so blind to divide and conquer techniques.

In reality both obesity and smoking have exactly the same cause, namely advertisers and lobbiest. Both influence what is seen as acceptable, they turned followers of their last trend into pariahs and just walk away from the fact that they were the ones profitting from it's promotion in the first place.

Now they tell us it is the victims fault? I would suggest that those that agree have been just as influenced by the manipulation as the ones they have been told to hate.

If you really cannot live without hating to make yourself feel superior then try advertising and lobbying as a target, the spreading of hate and intolerance has IMHO more negative effect on society and health then smoking 20+ fags a day for life, atleast then you are only hurting yourself. Don't bother giving me the passive smoking arguement, the days where you were forced to be around smokers are gone.

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Re: so much hatred for continuing smokers

Quote: "Tax has gone up on everything to maintain the goverment income that used to come from tobacco...

Erm, nope. The cost impact of smoking, outweighs the tax income generated by smokers, by quite a margin.

A publication done back in 2010 estimated the cost to the UK of smoking, was just under £14 billion a year. The income from taxes at the same time was around £10 billion.

So smoking has an overall cost per year for the country of ~£4 billion, or at least it did in 2010, probably a little less now.

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Re: so much hatred for continuing smokers

Being impatient with people doing something bad to themselves isn't hatred.

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Re: so much hatred for continuing smokers

>A publication done back in 2010 estimated the cost to the UK of smoking, was just under £14 billion a year. The income from taxes at the same time was around £10 billion.

I've just skimmed through, and nowhere does it include savings to the government by not having to fund the pension and social care costs of those smoker who die prematurely. I won't speculate as to how such figures would alter the final balance, but they are conspicuous by their absence.

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Re: so much hatred for continuing smokers

Are people actually more health now then before? is the air we all have to breath actually cleaner and less toxic.

I can tell you've not worked in a smoking office.

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Re: so much hatred for continuing smokers

>Erm, nope. The cost impact of smoking, outweighs the tax income generated by smokers, by quite a margin.

Doesn't factor the cost savings in respect of Social Care which isn't needed for dead smokers - bearing in mind it's not unusual for a single disabled elder to cost 60K a year and still have another 10 years of life expectancy. Fortunately, despite the cessation boon we've seen in recent years, UK mortality rates rose in 2014 & 2015 (almost 5%) for the first time since 1963 - NHS cuts finally paying dividends.

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