Here's an idea, PETA, write your own damn game, then you can decide on its contents.
'What this video game needs is actual footage of real gruesome deaths'
Protests about video games usually call for less violence. But People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) has called for more violence - and more graphic violence – in the forthcoming Farming Simulator 17. PETA's beef with developer GIANTS Software GmbH stems from the promise that pig farming would debut in the game's …
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Wednesday 14th September 2016 05:22 GMT Captain DaFt
Here's an idea, PETA, write your own damn game
Good idea.
They could base it on their "animal shelters", and show exactly how fast they gas animals in their care.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=peta+animal+shelter+scandal&ia=web
More like: PETA: People Exterminating Terrified Animals
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Wednesday 14th September 2016 06:42 GMT caffeine addict
Re: Here's an idea, PETA, write your own damn game
My MIL is addicted to casual games where you have to seat diners together in groups and feed them as quickly as possible.
I'm sure we could rewrite one of them so that you get to play a PeTA hypocrite who has to gas animals as efficiently as possible, keeping the animals in family groups to "minimise distress", then killing them and dumping their bodies in the trash.
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Wednesday 14th September 2016 17:54 GMT JLV
Re: I take it this is not the People Eating Tasty Animals group....
I suspect that even PETA is not really expecting to have the game changed.
(cunning plan) making this unreasonable request means media coverage, leading to some people, apparently not us robust commentards though, feeling guilty about bacon.
Foiled!
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Wednesday 14th September 2016 18:07 GMT Pompous Git
Re: I take it this is not the People Eating Tasty Animals group....
apparently not us robust commentards though, feeling guilty about bacon.
I have a very good friend who is vegetarian and he tells me that the only downside to it is the smell of frying bacon. So, when you think about it, we are doing vegetarians a favour by eating fried bacon because that makes the smell go away and removes the temptation :-)
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Wednesday 14th September 2016 21:01 GMT JLV
Re: I take it this is not the People Eating Tasty Animals group....
Maybe he means the frying bacon smell is what makes him regret being vegetarian?
And... since you've mentioned being Jewish further down, I'll take your bacon, just to avoid your lapsing into sin/temptation ;-).
You're welcome.
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Wednesday 14th September 2016 22:35 GMT Pompous Git
Re: I take it this is not the People Eating Tasty Animals group....
Maybe he means the frying bacon smell is what makes him regret being vegetarian?
And... since you've mentioned being Jewish further down, I'll take your bacon, just to avoid your lapsing into sin/temptation ;-).
Let's face it, there is no smell quite so delightful as frying bacon, only enhanced by the smell of freshly made coffee :-) There is nothing comparable in vegetarian cuisine despite ever so many delicious vegetarian dishes.
Jewishness in the sense of race is passed on through the female of the species. As it happens, my father was raised a Roman catholic, not the Jewish faith. My mother was an Anglican, but in her latter years was a Methodist and an atheist in-between. My father became apostate when he saw a priest raping a very young girl. For my sins I'm agnostic. My mother's pastor claims my father became a believer at the last, but I have my doubts. People infected by religion seem ever so good at self-deception.
But this has nowt to do with bacon! You may share my bacon with me, but stealing it is definitely a grievous sin no matter your intentions. Roit?
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Thursday 15th September 2016 00:14 GMT Crazy Operations Guy
Re: I take it this is not the People Eating Tasty Animals group....
I've always hated PETA for getting angry at stupidity like this and things like demanding that the band 'Pet Shop Boys' change their name. They are so loud and annoying that the general population paint every other activist with the same brush. There are even animal rights groups that are far more rational that are trying to end actual animal cruelty that are getting overshadowed and pushed to the side by these nut jobs.
I agree that there are some farming techniques that are downright inhumane and need to be banned. I say this after finishing off a meal of Brazed rack of lamb with a side of bacon-wrapped veal medallions and a side salad including grilled and marinated chicken strips with Cesar dressing. Meat treated well is good, animal cruelty is bad (fear and stress hormones ruin the meat, after all).
PETA has caused the extreme polarization of the anti-animal cruelty movement and distilled it two sides: either you are a total vegan or you're OK with purposefully torturing animals when slaughtering them. They have made a middle-ground position nearly non-existent...
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Wednesday 14th September 2016 05:22 GMT Anonymous Coward
They forget one small detail...
"The lobby group thinks that the developer has an obligation to depict the swine-herding experience with complete verisimilitude, including pigs being slaughtered by being “hung upside down, stabbed, and dropped into scalding-hot water.”
I can actually respect their opinion, because it is true that sometimes us humans don't exactly treat animals as gentle or kindly as we could. Not every country has applied laws which demand that slaughter houses try to keep the stress on the animals as small as possible.
But having said that... Slaughter houses... A farmer who has livestock usually doesn't slaughter these animals themselves. They get loaded into a truck, unloaded at the slaughter house and after processing (yes, I know how that sounds) the farmer gets the end product(s): the meat and such.
So... even though I can respect PETA's opinion on this matter I also think it would suit them to get their own facts straightened out as well.
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Wednesday 14th September 2016 06:42 GMT Pompous Git
Re: They forget one small detail...
farmer who has livestock usually doesn't slaughter these animals themselves. They get loaded into a truck, unloaded at the slaughter house and after processing (yes, I know how that sounds) the farmer gets the end product(s): the meat and such.
While the farmer sells most of his stock to somebody else who sends the meat to the slaughterhouse, almost every farmer I know slaughters his, or her own. It takes me about 20 minutes to kill and remove the innards and skin of a sheep; a little longer for a goat (the skinning is all knife-work). The slaughterhouse I took one animal to 30 years ago currently charges ~AU60 so I have saved a small fortune over the years doing my own.
Dave Stephens who owned that slaughterhouse now has a mobile slaughtering business and is most useful for the larger animals -- pigs and steers -- that need a winch and suitable place to haul the animal off the ground.
There are several reasons for preferring to slaughter on-farm. The main one is the animal doesn't get frightened. The adrenalin in a scared animal toughens and taints the meat. On-farm slaughtering's also a lot cheaper. Dave also has a portable chiller you can rent these days so you can hang your beef for a fortnight. Beef that has been properly aged is much tastier and more tender than fresh beef.
PETA complains about dipping pigs in scalding water without mentioning that the animal is dead by then and minus its internal organs! The reason is to loosen the bristles that would otherwise render the skin inedible. Let's face it, the main reason for roast pork is the crackling. And for all the bacon sarnie lovers here, you've never had a proper one until you've had one made with home-made bacon from a free-range pig. Eat your heart out :-)
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Wednesday 14th September 2016 06:52 GMT AMBxx
Re: They forget one small detail...
Sadly, over here in the EU (leaving shortly), you're only allowed to slaughter animals on-premise for your own consumption.
My cockerel is becoming vicious so will shortly be heading to the oven. I can eat him, my wife can eat him, but I can't sell him or allow anyone else to eat anything. When it comes to visitors, the law is a bit grey.
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Wednesday 14th September 2016 07:41 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: They forget one small detail...
My cockerel is becoming vicious so will shortly be heading to the oven. I can eat him, my wife can eat him, but I can't sell him or allow anyone else to eat anything. When it comes to visitors, the law is a bit grey.
I imagine you'd probably get away with it, so long as nobody noticed they were missing.
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Wednesday 14th September 2016 07:53 GMT Pompous Git
Re: They forget one small detail...
I can eat him, my wife can eat him, but I can't sell him or allow anyone else to eat anything. When it comes to visitors, the law is a bit grey.
My understanding is that cannibalism is not illegal, so if you have your visitors' permission, it's likely OK to eat them. Warning: There may be other laws you contravene when doing so.
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Wednesday 25th January 2017 17:01 GMT Dave 15
Re: They forget one small detail...
I think the EU were trying to do away with some of the nastier practices you see in places like China where slaughtering in as nasty a way as possible has been refined to an art form.
Unfortunately as we have seen in numerous places these slaughter houses tend to develop there own unpleasant ways of slaughter (hammers and the like) mainly I suspect because those who kill a new animal every couple of seconds really stop noticing or caring (and I did work slaughtering turkeys at one point so yes, after a while they are just another...)
The thing that is most disturbing in Europe is the way certain other countries treat their animals. In the UK you frequently see pigs outside wandering around, in Germany, a country renowned for eating pork you do not, the pigs here are intensively reared in unbelievable poor conditions in concrete pens where they are literally unable to even turn.
I eat meat, especially love the pork crackling, but even though I eat the stuff I don't believe it is right to make the animals suffer
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Wednesday 14th September 2016 10:51 GMT Paul Westerman
Re: They forget one small detail...
My brother lives in NZ (we're Brits) and he has one steer at a time on his small plot. He hires a guy who turns up in a Land Rover, drives across the field and shoots the animal when it's looking the other way. He says the same thing, if the animal is stressed it spoils the meat. Then he takes it away and comes back a few days later with joints, mince, burgers, steaks, whatever you want, all ready to go in the freezer. My bro says it's the best meat he's ever tasted.
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Wednesday 14th September 2016 20:00 GMT SteveCarr
Re: They forget one small detail...
As someone who lives in NZ, on a small rural block, I can attest to the wonders of "home kill" meat. So much tastier, and there's that warm glow you get from knowing Bessie went out blissfully unafraid, rather than in trembling fear of her impending doom in a Belsen-like abattoir.
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Wednesday 14th September 2016 06:10 GMT Richard Jones 1
There Is More To Add
What about some 'free range foxes' killing and eating or discarding dead free range chickens with no added gruesome violence there is enough already and lots of the inevitable blood and panic.
Then we should have, no must have TB infected badgers infecting 30,000 cattle per year resulting in their slaughter at some considerable suffering not to mention costs. Then include those trying to ensure that the badgers continue to be free to infect other animals by trying to block all ways of stopping the infection.
Where is the society for the protection of the TB bacilli when you need them?
That is the problem with societies exhibiting one view wisdom, they end up with no visible signs of wisdom.
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Wednesday 14th September 2016 06:47 GMT Pompous Git
Re: There Is More To Add
What about some 'free range foxes' killing and eating or discarding dead free range chickens
If you don't know how to properly care for stock, you need to find another occupation.
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Wednesday 14th September 2016 07:28 GMT Pompous Git
Re: There Is More To Add
Wow! Picture of chickens in grass. Have you any idea how rare that is? Most 'free range' chickens are stuck in barns and only need 'access' to outside to qualify as free range.
Not particularly rare here. You're thinking of the supermarkets. "The Fresh Food People" also sell vegetables in an advanced state of decay. Barn-laid eggs are usually labelled "barn-laid eggs" here. The Git used to keep a couple of dozen laying hens and was paid full retail for them by the dude who sold them on to gourmet restaurants. These days we only have two, a pullet (Mia Sparrow) and a hen (Henrietta Grub) living in a moveable pen called The Female Factory. It's for bird girls only and has a sign on it: Eiablage macht frei.
The chickens we eat are free-range from a producer who specialises in such. In the early days (1980s) there was a quota of one bird per fortnight due to demand. These days they are the most successful producers of poultry meat in the state.
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Wednesday 14th September 2016 08:13 GMT Pompous Git
Re: There Is More To Add
Holy fuck! Even as a joke: no, no, and no.
I'm truly sorry if that offends; my Jewish ancestors transmitted some weird sense of humour genes into me.
Here's a really good "joke". My father was a guest in one of Mr H's Holiday Camps (AKA a slave labourer). When the German government paid him reparations, it was on the basis the money not be taxed. The Australian government decided that since it was definitely income received in the present, it was taxable and took most of it. Funny eh?
PS The chickens are definitely better fed and treated than my father was if that helps.
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Wednesday 14th September 2016 11:12 GMT Merchman
Re: There Is More To Add
Nice you got the facts right about the spread of bovine TB. Wait. The other thing. There is no recognised benefit of killing badgers to prevent the spread. If anything, in parts of the West Country where this has been happening, bTB has stayed flat, or increased. In Wales, however, where they have been vaccinating, cases are reducing.
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Wednesday 14th September 2016 19:30 GMT Ilmarinen
Badgers Badgers Badgers (Re: There Is More To Add)
"no recognised benefit of killing badgers"
Except of course to hedgehogs (now quite rare here since the Badger Boom).
And it would stop the stripey vermin digging up gardens/playing fields/churchyards.
No predators you see (other than cars)
And no, not a good idea to re-introduce wolves to swallow the badgers, as the old lady found out with the fly ;-)
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Wednesday 25th January 2017 17:09 GMT Dave 15
Re: There Is More To Add
TBH Foxes killing chickens is not such a massively common thing, and if you hadn't slaughtered all the rabbits would probably be even less common
As for badgers, 30k cattle a year that would be slaughtered anyway is a small proportion of the herd, not to mention that most of the cross infections are caused moving the damned cattle around.
Do I want a countryside which is clinically clean of any wildlife just in case some farmer somewhere thinks this damned wildlife (or hedgerows, trees, streams etc etc etc ) reduces the subsidies and profit he makes by tuppence happeny.
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Wednesday 14th September 2016 06:32 GMT jake
As usual, PETA is lying.
"including pigs being slaughtered by being “hung upside down, stabbed, and dropped into scalding-hot water.”
Start with a happy, healthy hog, raised with tender, loving care.
Slaughter the hog. I use a largeish handgun, the hog doesn't feel a thing.[0]
Note: the hog is already dead at this stage of the celebration.
Then harvest the blood for sausages of various descriptions.
Next, boil the carcass to make hair removal easy. Hair is not good eats. Pig skin is.
NOW you hang the carcass, to make further harvesting easier.
If we were not intended to eat hogs, why is it that every single piece of the critters is made out of food?
[0] Or shoot a wild boar ... they may be varmints, but they sure taste good!
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Wednesday 14th September 2016 07:50 GMT Pompous Git
Re: why is it that every single piece of the critters is made out of food?
What are you made of jake? That is the single most stupid argument for meat eating that exists, unless you're a cannibal.
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Wednesday 14th September 2016 15:46 GMT Purple-Stater
Re: why is it that every single piece of the critters is made out of food?
"That is the single most stupid argument for meat eating that exists, unless you're a cannibal."
Surely it would be much sillier to eat a cow because she was spying on you via telepathy, or hadn't trimmed her hooves properly? I must admit great difficulty in finding a better reason to eat something than "it is food"; one does not eat a rock simply because it tastes better than an onion (I speak in generalities, your tastes may vary).
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