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Harrison Ford's leg, in the Star Wars film, with the Millennium Falcon door

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"and hit a button before starting to walk back through it, believing the set was not live and that it would not close"

So, in effect, he closed the door on himself by being a careless twat.

And some bunch of legal fuckwits compensated him for doing that??!!11!!

So this is how it all ends, not with a bang, but with a lawsuit...

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> The door was remotely operated by another person, however

So, in effect, someone closed the door on him, believing he was not coming back out.

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Apparently your attention span is comparable to that of the guy who was operating the door, because if you had bothered reading the next paragraph, you would have read...:

"The door was remotely operated by another person..."

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Ford's an actor. He wasn't responsible for the safety of the set. The company was. That's why they pleaded guilty.

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It's good this didn't happen in the airlock!

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I'm with TeeCee here. He pushed the door close button and the door closed. Shouldn't have been a surprise. It doesn't matter if it was closed by gravity, pneumatics or a stage hand.

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Ford, best known for playing CSO Jack Stanfield in the 2006 cyber-thriller Firewall...

Really?

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>He pushed the door close button and the door closed. Shouldn't have been a surprise. It doesn't matter if it was closed by gravity, pneumatics or a stage hand.

Wonder how long a door that could crush somebody without safety features would last in an office building. I maybe can buy the argument if he was a stunt man or doing his own stunts but work place safety laws apply to Hollywood as well and thus the guilty verdict.

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> thus the guilty verdict.

Meant guilty plea. Also this is not a matter of someone suing. This is Disney having to answer criminally for negligent behavior.

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>>He pushed the door close button and the door closed. Shouldn't have been a surprise

So if in Airforce one that had been the real nuclear launch button - that would have been his fault ?

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Wow that was a reach. Yep all the POTUS has to do is press one big red EMO button and the world ends and its all Harrison Ford's fault.

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"Wonder how long a door that could crush somebody without safety features would last in an office building."

It's not an office building is it? Loose cables wouldn't be acceptable in an office either, but are commonplace on film sets. As are hot lights, carpenters, pyrotechnics, firearms etc.

But in general there are loads of big, heavy doors in industrial situations. Sliding hangar doors are notorious for taking people's fingers off, for example. And have you seen the Sandbanks ferry?

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He pushed the door close button and the door closed.

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Sure, but that is irrelevant. Automatic doors should not be capable of closing with sufficient force to cause an injury unless they are fitted with appropriate safety devices that ensure they cannot close unless the doorway is clear. Think of how many people would be crushed by train doors and lift doors if that was not the case.

There may be exceptions for situations where such an arrangement would be impractical, but in that case all personnel who might use the door would have to have training in the use & risks. I doubt that a case could be made that a mock spacecraft on a film set could not have been fitted with safe automatic doors. IIUC in the original StarTrek series, the doors were operated manually by stage crew off-camera, and in any case the doors of a stage model can be made of cardboard made to look like thick steel.

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But in general there are loads of big, heavy doors in industrial situations. Sliding hangar doors are notorious for taking people's fingers off, for example. And have you seen the Sandbanks ferry?

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In all cases such doors should not be accessible by people who have not had relevant training. If they are accessible and a person is injured as a result, the organisation responsible could indeed face H&S charges.

Actors are made aware of the normal hazards present on a film set, and are not permitted unfettered access to certain areas of the set. Had Harrison Ford been given specific training on the hazard presented by the door, I doubt this case would have been brought.

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in any case the doors of a stage model can be made of cardboard made to look like thick steel.

I do wonder why they went to all the effort and cost of building this door which turned out to be pretty dangerous. I watched the film - really enjoyed it (including the plot holes and other nonsense) - but I don't recall even noticing it. If it was there I guess I thought it was CGI.

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If it weren't for "The Force Awakens", it could have been a typo for "last known".

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Agreed... Not best known for playing Han Solo?? The real crime is that Ford was bumped off in Episode VII. Gonna miss him!

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I'm with you BillG. Never heard of the character or film. Perhaps it's just a blip in my movie knowledge but Harrison Ford, Indiana Jones, yes, Han Solo, yes, Jack Ryan yes (runs like a girl in that too). I liked Alec Baldwin as Jack Ryan in Red October, still my favourite sub film. I wonder why he didn't get the subsequent Jack Ryan roles? PP

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Who knows, perhaps the Rathtars were also not CGI and they needed a steel door to hold them back...

Mine's the simulated one with tentacles...

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"The real crime is that Ford was bumped off in Episode VII. Gonna miss him!"

"The real crime is that Solo was bumped off in Episode VII." FTFY

Else this would be a murder case, not a H&S one.

And rumours of Solo's death may not be entirely accurate... but we'll have to wait and see.

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>runs like a girl in that too

Wow that's what you notice huh? Says more about you than him.

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He also starred as an extra in lesser known films such as Indiana Jones, The Fugitive, and Air Force One.

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Apparently your attention span is comparable to that of the guy who was operating the door, because if you had bothered reading the next paragraph, you would have read...:

"The door was remotely operated by another person..."

- also, there's no mention of compensation. This is a criminal case, not a civil one.

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Ford, best known for playing CSO Jack Stanfield in the 2006 cyber-thriller Firewall...

Really?

My reaction exactly. Best known by whom... that was one of the more mediocre films he made. I think "Best known" for playing - well, Han Solo in the 1979 sf-thriller Star Wars perhaps...?

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Wonder how long a door that could crush somebody without safety features would last in an office building.

Not quite the same, but the place I worked at had a rotating "air lock" door which - supposedly - detected when someone had passed through one door, closed that and opened the other. When it failed to do so, which it did frequently, you got trapped in it because there were no controls on the inside. Fortunately it was a high traffic area, but more than once a victim had to use their mobile to telephone the switchboard for help!

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Red is never a good color to push. You would think a 74 year old would have learned thus,

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"Ford, best known for playing CSO Jack Stanfield in the 2006 cyber-thriller Firewall...

Really?"

I noticed that myself. I never heard of "Firewall" but Harrison Ford is a different story.

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"Ford, best known for playing CSO Jack Stanfield in the 2006 cyber-thriller Firewall,"

Yeah, I laughed at the context-sensitive nature of that.

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Well, otherwise people would complain about a lack of IT angle.

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That's my Register!

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My laugh was completely stateful.

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Perhaps El Reg is aping Richard Herring's recurring joke of introducing fairly-well-known guests as being "probably best known for his/her appearance as <insert the most obscure and little-known credit from their past here>"

Quite funny when you hear some of the things now-famous folks starred in.

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Has he had Stallions on and introduced him referencing his porn film?

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Bleedin' autocorrect - "Stallone", not "Stallions"

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""The safety of our cast and crew was always a top priority throughout the production," a Foodles spokesperson said."

Until this incident anyway.

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Good job..

Nobody told the HSE about JJ Abrams (claiming, at least) to have broken his spine in the same incident.

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That video has him saying he fractured his L4 trying to lift the door off of Harrison, so I suspect not relevant to HSE regulations.

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Unless there was no record of him having had an approved manual handling course...

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But sir, no-one cares about upsetting JJ Abrams

That's 'cause JJ Abrams's best buddy doesn't rip people's arms out of their sockets when a Health and Safety issue is contested...

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so I suspect not relevant to HSE regulations

Doesn't sound like a safe system of work to me, of course it's "relevant" - it's a serious injury (arguably worse than Ford's) in the work place. It's literally why the HSE exists.

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I'm not sure that HSE covers "trying to lift stuff crushing your mate in an urgent manner so as to minimise further injury", unless you're a member of the emergency services.

Yes, doing the manual lifting course would of course be required of anyone expected to lift heavy objects as a part of their job, but I suspect the heaviest thing JJ needs to lift is the shooting schedule or script (which are no doubt on an iPad nowadays)

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JJ loves to fill his sets with light objects.

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JJ loves to fill his sets with light objects.

You could even say he has a flare for it...

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Instead of those lethal lightning guillotine doors seen in Ep4 when they hide in that comms room (and also in the youtube vid "Luke skywalker has OCD" ) ,Spaceships should be fitted with happy chatty less homicidal doors , like in THHGTTU

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I believe those "lethal lightning guillotine doors" were actually relatively slow and sped up in post-production. This is why everyone seems to hesitate awkwardly while the doors open and close.

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What do you mean, "Episode 4"?

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They can't have been that fast, given one of the stormtrooper extras famously managed to smack his head on one.

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Door was operated by a person. Door was stopped by a safety. Door was probably operated because he signalled by hitting the damn button.

What happened to LOTO or personal responsibility for your own safety?

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Now we need a kill switch on the person operating the door.

It's good that we have managed to get out of caves without getting sued to death for "reckless egress".

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