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Shocker: Computer science graduate wins a top UK political job

Let's hope for some logical thinking

David Davies has a reputation for being on the far right of the Tory party. But admirably his was one of the few voices raised against 90-day detention without charge when attempts were made to introduce it a few years ago.

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Re: Let's hope for some logical thinking

Hope so. I've always thought that PPE is basically General Studies for posh people.

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Re: Let's hope for some logical thinking

> ... PPE is basically General Studies ...

Not even that.

PPE is a posh way of saying "opinions". As in "They all studied opinions at Oxford."

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"But admirably his was one of the few voices raised against 90-day detention "

I think you'll find he was against ID cards and the various incarnations of the Snoopers Charter.

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Re: "But admirably his was one of the few voices raised against 90-day detention "

Clearly this man cannot be allowed anywhere near the Home Office where data interception and retention must be pursued with the Blunkettian zeal of the truly ignorant.

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Re: "But admirably his was one of the few voices raised against 90-day detention "

He's also offered well-reasoned arguments for more effective oversight of the security services.

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Re: Let's hope for some logical thinking

David davis is a True Liberal.

Both in markets...(making him far right)

and Rights...(which is why he voted againts 90 days)

So not at all unexpected

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He doesn't seem to grasp that trade with the EU not possible on a bilateral basis with each member...

https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/status/735770127564607489

https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/status/735770165510430721

https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/status/735770216727121920

So a perfect candidate for Brexit Minister.

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Mushroom

Two World Wars and One World Cup, Brexit, Brexit

His statements do fit with leavers' views that this was some sort of war which they have won and a belief that we now get to set the rules everyone will play by.

Leavers seem to be expecting Merkel and friends to admit they were wrong, Brits are right, the EU project was all a huge mistake, they are ever so sorry about that, and will now do everything Britain asks.

The Empire may have gone but our arrogance and supremacism never left us.

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"He doesn't seem to grasp that trade with the EU not possible on a bilateral basis with each member..."

Yes that does seem more than a little puzzling, but then again he was Minister of State for Europe at one point, so I suspect he's more au fait with the behind-the-scenes horse trading that goes on in the EU than most of us.

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I suspect fit's in with another aspect of a leave campaigner. Says a lot, but when it comes to putting money where the mouth is won't deliver. Still at least he is not putting on his running shoes just yet.

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@ Jason Bloomberg

"His statements do fit with leavers' views that this was some sort of war which they have won and a belief that we now get to set the rules everyone will play by."

Brexit is part of a struggle for freedom against the globalists who favour ever greater centralisation of power (in their hands). The EU is in constant consultation with corporate lobbyists, while the only people answerable to the electorate (MEPs) have no power to propose or repeal laws.

Please cite a reference for your claim that "leave" believes it can "set the rules everyone will play by".

An independent nation decides for itself - if the deal on offer is not good enough for us then we don't accept it. This is something we can't do in the EU.

Look at China - it has just ignored the Hague's verdict on it's sovereignty over the south China sea.

"Leavers seem to be expecting Merkel and friends to admit they were wrong, Brits are right, the EU project was all a huge mistake, they are ever so sorry about that, and will now do everything Britain asks."

Do you cite any evidence for this? Why would Brits blame Merkel rather than the EU?

Why would "leavers" think "Brits are right" when it was our own politicians that signed us up to the EU?

The EU isn't a mistake - it's a deliberate deceptive project to create a superstate and disempower the electorate.

The EU already made it clear pre-Brexit that it was no longer open to concessions with Britain, so all those saying we could "change it from within" were wrong - we've had decades to do that and little has changed.

"The Empire may have gone but our arrogance and supremacism never left us."

Speak for yourself - the reality is the opposite of your view: "independence" means rightfully taking power back. The EU now behaves like an empire - ruling over it's subordinate nations and robbing them of their former sovereignty.

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David Davis vs. David Davies

It's easy to get mixed up between David Davis MP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Davis_(British_politician) or http://www.daviddavismp.com/

and David Davies MP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Davies_(Welsh_politician) or http://www.david-davies.org.uk/

- the article has the bio correct for Davis (Univ. Warwick, now Secretary of State for Brexit - also ex-21 SAS Territorial interestingly), but you have spelt it Davies, which is wrong.

As far as his politics goes, he has more in common with the right wing of the Tory party than any other part, and he has been a Eurosceptic for years before Brexit made it fashionable (which puts him on the right for Tories). However he has not gone with the right wing on many topics such as privacy and surveillance, torture and rendition, and at least some aspects of human rights legislation. You might say he is on the "libertarian right" rather than the "authoritarian right" though I'm not sure that is an accurate reflection of his positions.

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Re: David Davis vs. David Davies

"You might say he is on the "libertarian right" rather than the "authoritarian right" though I'm not sure that is an accurate reflection of his positions."

So is he Chaotic Good or Lawful Evil then?

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>he has been a Eurosceptic for years before Brexit made it fashionable

You mean he's a Euroskeptic AND a hipster?

#WurrDoomed

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Sadly he's only been promoted so he can take the blame for Brexit and stop being a thorn in Theresa May's side.

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He may well turn out be a good man for the job. His opposition to increased state surveillance convinced me that he was better than many in Westmister. And you don't have to be right wing to appreciate reasonable privacy.

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I bet BoJo will get fired first.

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@Dan 55

Jeez after hearing his appointment this morning. I am wondering when they are going to put Rolf Harris in charge of minister for children.

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Re: @Dan 55

That would be too obvious even for Westminster.

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His opposition to increased state surveillance convinced me that he was better than many in Westmister

Maybe that's why he got the job? Promote him out of the "resistance".

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"I bet BoJo will get fired first."

BoJo is there to cause a distraction while May entrenches in her new position and rushes the Snoopers Charter through.

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I see that too. He actually understands a lot of the issues around the internet and surveillance, so obviously voted against any government's land grab there (which would have included Mrs May's grabs). I think this is a way to sabotage his future career.

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What about me?

I passed second year Comp Sci and made it to Chairman of the parish council!

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Re: What about me?

I did a CompSci+SoftEng degree and made it all the way to Second Deputy Cabinet Assistant for Environmental Services on my local council (I made sure crematoriums functioned and food shops didn't have too many rats) before I was eased out in favour of a trainee lawyer with diploma in "leadership", then a social justice accountant, and a social worker.

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But he has an MBA

that means he can only us write only memory.

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Er - why

is EU hyphenated in the new acronym... As one of the few bits that's actually a common acronym shouldn't it remain?

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Re: Er - why

SSEE-U ="see you"?

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"is EU hyphenated in the new acronym... As one of the few bits that's actually a common acronym shouldn't it remain?"

No, remain lost the vote.

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Meh.

Economics, I can't say. As for philosophers and politics, the track record was never great, was it? Plato went off to advice a Silician tyrant and ended up in jail. Aristotle tutored Alexander the Great, and then, some said, connived in his poisoning.

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Re: Meh.

And Socrates was executed for attempting to persuade the children of the rich to overthrow democracy (though they hoped he'd sneak away somewhere else and perhaps wreck their government.) Hobbes supported statism, Hegel practically worshipped the State. Hume was pretty good and so widely ignored, Adam Smith was good but, as with Jesus, someone promptly founded an institute to misrepresent his ideas. Let's not talk about Marx because I suspect that they don't at Oxford, or people like Cameron might not be so misinformed about Marxism.

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Highest achiever

"David Davis MP today becomes the highest-achieving computer science graduate in British politics."

should read

"David Davis MP today becomes the highest-achieving politician in a worthwhile subject"

TFTFY

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"David Davis MP today becomes the highest-achieving politician in a worthwhile subject"

I'm trying to parse this. Do you mean Brexit minister is a higher achievement than PM or that chemistry isn't a worthwhile subject?

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Re: Highest achiever

or perhaps

"David Davis MP today achieves depths of depravity unusual even for a computer science graduate."

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What about his policitcal views?

Which party does he support? Microsoft, Google, IBM, Apple or Unix? For which programming language did he voite?

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Re: What about his political views?

And now the most crucial question - Emacs or vi?

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Re: What about his political views?

> And now the most crucial question - Emacs or vi?

That's easy to answer. Vi. Emacs users are barely-literate offspring of a depraved goat who was suprised one night by the Great Cthulu..

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Ideological Numpty

David Davis is a paranoid intellectual featherweight who's spent too much time reading Ayn Rand.

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Re: Ideological Numpty

While I don't agree with him on most issues, I can at least listen to him. Which is more than be said about the rest of the cabinet: Liam Fox, FFS.

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Liam Fox, FFS

See title. Worth repeating.

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PPE in PPE

You're all missing the real point: some one has created a twitter account dedicated to graduates of PPE, wearing PPE. This is possibly the most amuse thing I've heard since someone said BoJo was in charge of the foreign office....

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Re: PPE in PPE

It was amusing at first, but then it became a repugnant overload of silver spoon theoreticians in working man's clothes. The one with the drill really took the prize.

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Are you saying the FCO isn't a repugnant overload of silver spoon theoreticians?

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This is possibly the most amuse thing I've heard since someone said BoJo was in charge of the foreign office....

It's a temporary situation, caused by a mis-communication.

What May actually said was "tell Boris to FO".

Vic.

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@Vic "I want to believe"

Can I come and play in your reality? Mine is getting depressing

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Getting a degree in PPE should

automatically disqualify you from even standing for election as an MP for 25 years after graduation. Perhaps the intervening years might enable the PPE grads to get even a cursory understading of the real world. viz, get a real fucking job like the rest of us plebs.

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As usual, when there's s**t to shovel...

... it's down to the computer guy.

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Was it at Warwick that he learnt the art ...

... of throwing ones toys out of the pram,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7450627.stm

from one of the lecturers?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germaine_Greer

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Germaine Greer you say...

... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywl0QrK3C68

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Re: Was it at Warwick that he learnt the art ...

42 days detention for terrorism suspects was defeated and withdrawn by the then Labour government so good on him for helping to bring that about.

It is now down to 14 days, still a long time compared to other Western countries.

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